Nate Oats and Alabama

[Orangezoo]

I mean just wow. What an insane thing for oats to say and trying to protect him. This will pick up some major steam in next 24 hours. No question. Too many eyes on this now and there should be. Cross him Off every list

I sure hope that law enforcement isn't providing cover here as well for the time being. Alabama sports hold a big stick in Tuscaloosa. Far too big of a stick.

 

[jgeorge322]

I know we have lawyers here. How is it not a crime to deliver a gun to someone immediately upon request in a situation where the deliverer knows or should have known the weapon was going to be used, in the immediate period post delivery , to commit a crime?

My guess is because it is not illegal to give someone their own gun. I don’t think its illegal to give someone their own gun even if the person knows it might be discharged by the owner because people can lawfully discharge firearms (e.g. for self defense). The complication from the DAs perspective is likely proving that Miller knew the person possessing the gun was going to commit a crime.

One question I have is that there is testimony that Miller knew the gun was loaded. I wonder if it is a crime to transport someone else’s loaded gun in your vehicle even if registered. My guess is in Alabama that is not a crime. I believe it would be a crime in other states.

 

[jgeorge322]

One part of this story that writers have not logically caught on to - ok say Miller didn’t commit a crime - fine - but it takes some time to figure that out. There is no way Alabama didn’t know about this that night or the next day. Alabama admitted it knew that day. So Alabama let him play while a murder investigation was ongoing?

This happened on January 15th. On January 17th, Miller scored 30 pts against Vanderbilt.

 

[jgeorge322]

I think Wetzel summed it up well here:

This was Miller getting a request to bring a weapon to someone he had to reasonably believe had been drinking, perhaps heavily, in a crowded college bar district and doing so rather than a) not doing it, b) telling his teammate to leave rather than escalate the situation, c) driving over unarmed and picking his teammate up or d) any number of other better options — namely, anything else. Even doing nothing would have been better.

Miles was in no immediate danger. If you have time to text someone to drive a weapon over, you also have time to walk away from the conflict. This is a college town. This was in front of a bunch of college bars and late-night diners. This wasn’t a stand-your-ground situation. This was an idiot blasting bullets all over Tuscaloosa.

Alabama's Brandon Miller could have stopped a tragedy. He didn't.

Brandon Miller might not have committed a crime when he brought a gun to an already escalated altercation, but it doesn't mean his behavior is excusable.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[DilemaCuse]

Do we know if Oats was hiding anything from the AD and overall administration?

Thats the question that will determine whether he is suspended by the school or fired

Edit: Now after thinking about it, I cant believe he would risk his career to withhold that info from AD and President. Somebody above him had to sign off on it and maybe it only got up to AD Greg Byrne.

 

[SUbear]

Alabama has a chance to win a title so this is being swept under the rug.

In my world that is at least an accomplice/accessory to the crime, and may rise to conspiracy to commit said crime.

 

[RF2044]

I mean just wow. What an insane thing for oats to say and trying to protect him. This will pick up some major steam in next 24 hours. No question. Too many eyes on this now and there should be. Cross him Off every list

Agree 100%.

This will probably do him in.

 

[Willy75]

No doubt in my mind if he isn’t a star athlete he’s charged with reckless conduct or something worse. The fact he apparently positioned his car so that the victim’s car couldn’t escape is very culpable; I’m thinking of the three men in Georgia convicted in the murder of the Black jogger. The third guy there wasn’t a shooter but boxed in the victim (as I recall).

 

[tptcuse]

My guess is because it is not illegal to give someone their own gun. I don’t think its illegal to give someone their own gun even if the person knows it might be discharged by the owner because people can lawfully discharge firearms (e.g. for self defense). The complication from the DAs perspective is likely proving that Miller knew the person possessing the gun was going to commit a crime.

One question I have is that there is testimony that Miller knew the gun was loaded. I wonder if it is a crime to transport someone else’s loaded gun in your vehicle even if registered. My guess is in Alabama that is not a crime. I believe it would be a crime in other states.

I think the last sentence is what some people meant about it happening in the south.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

 

[jgeorge322]

Im not a huge fan of this post. I know its phrased as a question but it may not technically be a crime. But that’s not the point. The point is that is what Miller did do and its very bad whether its technically a crime or not.

Putting everything aside, and I know people may not care, but I wonder how Miller is coping. I couldn’t look myself in the mirror if I was involved in such an incident.

 

[hoopsupstate]

If parents can be responsible for a child shooting someone, how can an adult providing a gut to shoot someone have no responsibility?

 

[OrangeDW]

Im not a huge fan of this post. I know its phrased as a question but it may not technically be a crime. But that’s not the point. The point is that is what Miller did do and its very bad whether its technically a crime or not.

Putting everything aside, and I know people may not care, but I wonder how Miller is coping. I couldn’t look myself in the mirror if I was involved in such an incident.

Would seem to violate any school, team, or program’s athletic code of conduct.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Would seem to violate any school, team, or program’s athletic code of conduct.

Right, where is the University's Code of Conduct?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Would seem to violate any school, team, or program’s athletic code of conduct.

Someone else mentioned it but Oats needs to be a leader right now and do the right thing otherwise his career could be at a dead-end. Whether the kid is being charged or not, how can a program accept this type of behavior without some type of punishment.

 

[DilemaCuse]

Someone else mentioned it but Oats needs to be a leader right now and do the right thing otherwise his career could be at a dead-end. Whether the kid is being charged or not, how can a program accept this type of behavior without some type of punishment.

Right, he should have suspended him for games back in January to show he has control of his program and get him back for the stretch run.

Now they are the new villains of CBB. The remaining road trips into opposing arena's could be interesting.

 

[orangefog]

If parents can be responsible for a child shooting someone, how can an adult providing a gut to shoot someone have no responsibility?

He brought the gun and then blocked in the victim with his car. This is crazy.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Now they are the new villains of CBB. The remaining road trips into opposing arena's could be ininteresting.

Starting tonight. Even if the kid sits, Oats will be vilified.

 

[Orangezoo]

Starting tonight. Even if the kid sits, Oats will be vilified.

As he should.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Im not a huge fan of this post. I know its phrased as a question but it may not technically be a crime. But that’s not the point. The point is that is what Miller did do and its very bad whether its technically a crime or not.

Putting everything aside, and I know people may not care, but I wonder how Miller is coping. I couldn’t look myself in the mirror if I was involved in such an incident.

Not many people care what Miller is thinking, but I'm not even sure there is another past case that this can be compared to. I can't see any NBA team touching this one unless something changes.

 

[phreddie]

As he should.

It's a road game. He's gonna get ROASTED

 

[DilemaCuse]

Millers version of events

 

[Orangezoo]

Millers version of events

So Miller has a good lawyer. The angelic I'm 1000 pct innocent while sneaking in the matter of bringing Miles his firearm upon request but never touching it... I'm sorry but it just doesn't smell right. I'm asking why is the firearm in my car and why do you need it even at that age.

Miller's account is well drafted and hopefully it's mostly true but it's just odd. The company you keep matters and typically a story like this unravels into something more. There are tens of millions of dollars potentially at stake with Miller here which can't be understated.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Millers version of events

That sounds a lot better for Brandon Miller. For his sake, I hope these “facts“ are accurate.

 

[Orangezoo]

That sounds a lot better for Brandon Miller. For his sake, I hope these “facts“ are accurate.

It's a lot wrapped around the worst part which is Miles asked for the gun and he brought it to him. It then tries to aggressively remove Miller from everything else. Again hopefully this is an innocent act of stupidity...it doesn't smell that way.