NBA 2018-2019

[chugg21]

I'm gonna feel bad when they end up with the 4th pick and give Middleton, Harris and Boogie matching 4 year $100m deals each and then win 48 games a year.

 

[Alsacs]

Francesa wouldn’t have traded Porzingis for Anthony Davis straight up.

 

[Knicks411]

Francesa wouldn’t have traded Porzingis for Anthony Davis straight up.

His NBA takes are, like, very bad.

I'm gonna feel bad when they end up with the 4th pick and give Middleton, Harris and Boogie matching 4 year $100m deals each and then win 48 games a year.

I'm not saying this is a great outcome by any means, but for some perspective, but in the last 18 years, they've won 48 games in a season one time.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Nothing is ever a done deal with the knicks. I’m very skeptical they get anyone.

Also kind of miss when teams built through the draft. At least the warriors did that.

 

[chugg21]

Nothing is ever a done deal with the knicks. I’m very skeptical they get anyone.

Also kind of miss when teams built through the draft. At least the warriors did that.

That was pure luck based on other teams incompetence. Hard to plan on that.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is exactly the kind of bonkers move I love.

 

[jncuse]

Dennis Smith should be excellent at driving the tank down the stretch for the Knicks. Maybe he is something in the future, but for now he will be a high volume. low efficienct chucker.

 

[Shark58]

is Kevin Knox now the face of the franchise?

 

[Knicks411]

is Kevin Knox now the face of the franchise?

Cap Space is their face

 

[shandeezy7]

is Kevin Knox now the face of the franchise?

 

[Melancer46]

For what it's worth, Khris Middleton is making it sound like he plans on signing long-term with the Bucks.

 

[Newhouser]

I liked KP but I am not down on this deal. 70 million plus in cap space and for the first time since ...ever?...the Knicks don't have one bad contract on their roster. Now that isn't saying they won't in a few months - I fear they will overpay Kemba who IMHO like KP is a very good player who doesn't elevate your status in the league. Smart signings and smart draft choices and this could be the start of something. It takes one guy.

 

[Horn88]

I'm sure it's just fun twitter conspiracy talk but seeing people say does James Jones help his boy LeBron get AD to LA as a thank you for helping him collect checks for a few years at the end of the Cavs and Miami bench? LA sends Lonzo to Phoenix and then Phoenix helps throw in another piece to NO to help enhance LA's offer. Not sure who that piece would be though.

Read as well that LA told NO that either they do a Davis deal before the deadline or they move on and just go after other free agents in the summer. Probably a bluff but that would hurt NO's leverage with Boston or any other suitors and almost guarantee to drive the AD price down this summer.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm sure it's just fun twitter conspiracy talk but seeing people say does James Jones help his boy LeBron get AD to LA as a thank you for helping him collect checks for a few years at the end of the Cavs and Miami bench? LA sends Lonzo to Phoenix and then Phoenix helps throw in another piece to NO to help enhance LA's offer. Not sure who that piece would be though.

Read as well that LA told NO that either they do a Davis deal before the deadline or they move on and just go after other free agents in the summer. Probably a bluff but that would hurt NO's leverage with Boston or any other suitors and almost guarantee to drive the AD price down this summer.

What leverage does LA have? If they force NO the Pelicans will just wait.
The Lakers have to overpay now if they want AD.
Boston media is saying Ainge will offer a package in the summer even if it’s on the assumption Davis won’t sign right away.
If Boston resigns Kyrie and Davis says he won’t sign an extension it’s offer is still on par with what LA can offer.
Even taking Tatum out.
Jaylen Brown, Memphis pick in 2020 or 2021, this year’s Sacramento in the high single digits or early teens, Marcus Smart/Terry Rozier, and one of Hayward/Horford for contract money.

That is better than the Lakers unless they included Ingram/Kuzma then Tatum would have to be in it.

 

[Horn88]

What leverage does LA have? If they force NO the Pelicans will just wait.
The Lakers have to overpay now if they want AD.
Boston media is saying Ainge will offer a package in the summer even if it’s on the assumption Davis won’t sign right away.
If Boston resigns Kyrie and Davis says he won’t sign an extension it’s offer is still on par with what LA can offer.
Even taking Tatum out.
Jaylen Brown, Memphis pick in 2020 or 2021, this year’s Sacramento in the high single digits or early teens, Marcus Smart/Terry Rozier, and one of Hayward/Horford for contract money.

That is better than the Lakers unless they included Ingram/Kuzma then Tatum would have to be in it.

I didn't say anything about LA's leverage, I referenced NO's leverage in negotiations. Would Ainge include Tatum this summer if he knew LA wasn't offering their all in deal? You just said yourself he wouldn't. That hurts NO's return. Thus, LA being able to damage NO's leverage in negotiations especially if teams have to operate on the premise it will be a one year rental. That knocks out Toronto as well and others thinking they'll buy now and flip later to cut their losses. What NO thinks they could get in the summer may not be there in the summer if one of the major players leaves the table, so does that impact how they approach these negotiations is the question.

It's already been reported the Lakers are offering both Kuzma and Ingram.

I know Celtics fans seem to think it's a done deal but I think it's far from a guarantee Kyrie signs in Boston this summer. He very well could but operating like it's a lock I don't think is very wise.

 

[Horn88]

What leverage does LA have? If they force NO the Pelicans will just wait.
The Lakers have to overpay now if they want AD.
Boston media is saying Ainge will offer a package in the summer even if it’s on the assumption Davis won’t sign right away.
If Boston resigns Kyrie and Davis says he won’t sign an extension it’s offer is still on par with what LA can offer.
Even taking Tatum out.
Jaylen Brown, Memphis pick in 2020 or 2021, this year’s Sacramento in the high single digits or early teens, Marcus Smart/Terry Rozier, and one of Hayward/Horford for contract money.

That is better than the Lakers unless they included Ingram/Kuzma then Tatum would have to be in it.

Looking at the Tatumless offer you put out there I don't know if that's on par or better than the Lakers offer.

Kuzma is equal or maybe even a little better than Brown IMO so I think is probably a bit of a wash.

I'd want Ingram over Smart/Rozier. Younger and more upside.

Then you're banking on your late lotto pick this year to be better than Lonzo. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't but this draft is very top heavy and odds are that the guy you get won't be better than Lonzo so I'd prefer Lonzo.

Memphis pick tough to say where that will be 2-3 years out vs. Zubac who is having a nice year. I'd probably take the Memphis pick.

Then the Lakers future first rounder is most likely a very late first so that isn't that helpful versus Horford/Hayward take back which again I don't know if that helps NO moving forward to take on big money instead of just rebuilding with young guys, cap space, and draft picks.

 

[Trueblue25]

Why are Lonzo and Kuzma so highly valued?

I dont think they’re even remotely near the same conversation as Rozier or Brown. Definitely not Tatum

 

[NineOneSeven]

Why are Lonzo and Kuzma so highly valued?

I dont think they’re even remotely near the same conversation as Rozier or Brown. Definitely not Tatum

That’s Celtic bias. Kuzma is at least as good as brown and I take kuzma pretty solidly.

 

[Alsacs]

That’s Celtic bias. Kuzma is at least as good as brown and I take kuzma pretty solidly.

If I had to pick between Kuzma and Brown I would take Brown.
I am saying this is as aCeltics fan but Brown is a way better defender and doesn’t get the shots that Kuzma gets.
Brown can be an all-NBA defense player.
Brown is a year younger than Kuzma as well.
Jaylen Brown is a good player that somebody is going to get from the Celtics and he will explode.
Kuzma is offense but he gives up a lot of points as well. Brown is an all around player.
Kyrie and him are feuding and that is hurting him along with the Celtics being deep at wing and Hayward eating into his minutes.

 

[Horn88]

Why are Lonzo and Kuzma so highly valued?

I dont think they’re even remotely near the same conversation as Rozier or Brown. Definitely not Tatum

That’s Celtic bias. Kuzma is at least as good as brown and I take kuzma pretty solidly.

Celtics fans overvalue their own like no other fan base in the league. I still remember when I lived there ~10 years ago and I'd hear people tell me with complete conviction that the Hawks should trade Josh Smith straight up for Big Baby back when Smith was in his prime and Big Baby was a reserve on the Celtics.

Kuzma not "even remotely near the same conversation" as TERRY ROZIER may be the new all time high though.

 

[Trueblue25]

That’s Celtic bias. Kuzma is at least as good as brown and I take kuzma pretty solidly.

Celtics bias? Lets make a poll on this. Brown guarded Lebron as effectively as any non max player I’ve seen as a 21 year old.

 

[Alsacs]

Celtics fans overvalue their own like no other fan base in the league. I still remember when I lived there ~10 years ago and I'd hear people tell me with complete conviction that the Hawks should trade Josh Smith straight up for Big Baby back when Smith was in his prime and Big Baby was a reserve on the Celtics.

Kuzma not "even remotely near the same conversation" as TERRY ROZIER may be the new all time high though.

Jaylen Brown was the 3rd pick in the draft and a damn good player who is only 22. He is better than Kyle Kuzma.

Terry Rozier would start for double digit teams in this league.

They aren’t Big Baby or other players. The Celtics by far have the most depth in the NBA and it is hurting their team this year.

 

[Trueblue25]

Celtics fans overvalue their own like no other fan base in the league. I still remember when I lived there ~10 years ago and I'd hear people tell me with complete conviction that the Hawks should trade Josh Smith straight up for Big Baby back when Smith was in his prime and Big Baby was a reserve on the Celtics.

Kuzma not "even remotely near the same conversation" as TERRY ROZIER may be the new all time high though.

I think Lakers and other NBA fans forget defense is a thing too.

 

[Trueblue25]

Smart, Brown, Kyrie and Hayward were all hurt toward the end of the 2017-2018 season and Rozier carried the team with Tatum and Horford to remain arguably the top team in the east come playoffs. Yeah, yeah Horford and Tatum are very good but it was just as much Terry stepping up and tearing apart veteran guards as anything else.

 

[Horn88]

Jaylen Brown was the 3rd pick in the draft and a damn good player who is only 22. He is better than Kyle Kuzma.

Terry Rozier would start for double digit teams in this league.

They aren’t Big Baby or other players. The Celtics by far have the most depth in the NBA and it is hurting their team this year.

Not disagreeing on Celtics depth or that Rozier could be a starter for some teams in the league or that Brown is 22 and was drafted 3rd and is good.

I do strongly disagree and think it is a wild take to say that Kyle Kuzma is not even remotely near the same conversation as Terry Rozier.

Kuzma is only 23 versus Brown's 22 and been in the league one less year. Brown is hurt by the Celtics depth and will be a real nice player in the league for awhile. Kuzma is a pretty good young player too so I don't think there's this huge gap you seem to think there is.

I think Lakers and other NBA fans forget defense is a thing too.

I'm not a Lakers fan and Kuzma must not cross half court and I just don't realize it to say that Rozier's defense makes it so Kuzma is not even in the same conversation as him.