NBA Thread 2020-21 Season

[Arangeman]

The obvious suspects would be the former Budenholzer guys: Millsap, Jeff Teague, and Kent Bazemore. They're also reportedly targeting Avery Bradley. Justin Holiday would make sense considering we just got his brother.

I would imagine the Bucks will at least give Goran Dragic a call to see if he'd be willing to take less money to play with Giannis and Bogdanovic, but I doubt it. Likewise with Danilo Gallinari and Jae Crowder.

Some guys I would personally look at:

PG: Jevon Carter, Reggie Jackson, Shaq Harrison, Kris Dunn, maybe even MCW if you still consider him a PG
Wing: Bazemore, KCP, Justin Holiday, Denzel Valentine, Alec Burks, Josh Jackson, Derrick Jones, and there's always the option of trying to bring back the guys from last year (Matthews, Connaughton, and Sterling Brown).
Big: Nerlens Noel, Derrick Favors, Aron Baynes, Millsap, Harry Giles

Rondo?

 

[Alsacs]

You can’t use the TAXPAYER MLE if you do a sign and trade but you’re still eligible to use the non-taxpayer version (the more expensive one) as long as you stay below the hard cap.

Bobby Marks article says this

By executing a sign-and-trade deal, the Bucks will hard cap themselves, which means that they can’t exceed the tax apron. That figure is around $139 million.

Middleton 30.6
Giannis 25.8
Holiday 30.1(includes all incentives which count for the hardcap when his number is 25.6)
Lopez 12.1
Whatever they give Bogdonevic is huge.
Thanisis 1.4
Justin James 1.5

Towards the hard cap.

The hard cap is 139 million.
Without.Bogadonevic terms that is 101.5 million

Which means the Bucks have 37.5 million minus Bogadonevic contract to fill out the roster with minimum salaries and maybe one MLE.

 

[Alsacs]

Rondo?

Rondo wants to cash in his last chance. I think he will get 10 million from someone on a short contract.

 

[Melancer46]

Bobby Marks article says this

By executing a sign-and-trade deal, the Bucks will hard cap themselves, which means that they can’t exceed the tax apron. That figure is around $139 million.

Middleton 30.6
Giannis 25.8
Holiday 30.1(includes all incentives which count for the hardcap when his number is 25.6)
Lopez 12.1
Whatever they give Bogdonevic is huge.
Thanisis 1.4
Justin James 1.5

Towards the hard cap.

The hard cap is 139 million.
Without.Bogadonevic terms that is 101.5 million

Which means the Bucks have 37.5 million minus Bogadonevic contract to fill out the roster with minimum salaries and maybe one MLE.

Yep, MLE (almost certainly closer to $5 mil than the full $9 mil), and then it's minimum guys and theoretically buying draft picks.

 

[Horn88]

I think his role in Portland would be diminished with the addition of Covington. The problem with the Lakers is he’d basically replace Markief Morris. I’m not sure he would be willing to the dirty work Markief did.

I do think that Lebron would bring the most out of him offensively but is he willing to buy in on defense? And take nearly the vet min?

I thought the same after the trade for Covington. Seems like Portland has some young guys that they’re pretty high on and I would assume want to give them more minutes to see what they have there so not sure how much of a role that leaves left for Melo.

I think he would buy in on the defensive side with Bron there and the chance to get a ring. The money part of it I have no idea.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Rocket's trade Covington (for two firsts and Trevor ariza ...as well as pick swaps) to Portland. they traded Capella and a first for Covington just a few months ago. Why trade Covington? He's a perfectly good player to keep even if you are building for the future. Ariza is 100 year old and doesn't even want to be there...the two first round picks will be way at the end of the first round...and the 2020 pick is in a crap draft. great start for the new houston GM.

 

[Alsacs]

Yep, MLE (almost certainly closer to $5 mil than the full $9 mil), BAE (up to $3.5 mil I think but again, probably only use a portion of it), and then it's minimum guys and theoretically buying draft picks.

The Bogadonevic terms are huge.

His cap hold was 16 million I don’t think he signed for less than 20 million per year.

Assume it’s 20 million per year.

That is 17.5 million for 7 roster spots.
So the Bucks would need to buy draft picks to use the MLE.
NBA veteran minimum is around 1.5 million.

 

[Knicks411]

If this deal isn't accompanied by long-term extensions for Giannis and Jrue, we need to fire this front office before the trade is made official. This is way way way too much for a fringe all-star (which is also what Bledsoe has been the last two years).

So I made my statement before I saw all the draft pick compensation going the other way. I'm agreeing with you now. Better sign Giannis...

 

[Knicks411]

 

[Alsacs]

Teams would be stupid to help them but you know greedy owners will.

NBA shouldn’t allow cash considerations only for draft picks.
It’s a slap in the face to fans.
Giving up future picks or a player unless you have a trade exception.

 

[Melancer46]

The Bogadonevic terms are huge.

His cap hold was 16 million I don’t think he signed for less than 20 million per year.

Assume it’s 20 million per year.

That is 17.5 million for 7 roster spots.
So the Bucks would need to buy draft picks to use the MLE.
NBA veteran minimum is around 1.5 million.

The max we could have offered Bogdanovic is around $17-18 mil based on what we sent back in the trade. I think Marks was working off the assumption that he's coming in around $14-15 mil though that seems shockingly low.

We're also trying to get out of the money that we currently owe Jon Leuer the same way the Lakers are trying to get out of Luol Deng's money but we'll see about that lol

 

[Arangeman]

Teams would be stupid to help them but you know greedy owners will.

NBA shouldn’t allow cash considerations only for draft picks.
It’s a slap in the face to fans.
Giving up future picks or a player unless you have a trade exception.

With all the financial issues I’d expect a 2nd rd pick fire sale this draft.

 

[Knicks411]

One thing I'm not sure the Bucks really have is a lead ball handler, Holiday doesn't feel like a true point (maybe thats a passe term now anyway) to me. But they do have a lot of wings/Giannis who handle the ball a fair amount, so it may be fine. (also, did they really have a true lead guard last year? )

 

[Alsacs]

With all the financial issues I’d expect a 2nd rd pick fire sale this draft.

Wouldn’t teams want cheap labor?

Selling a draft pick for 3 million dollars is a slap in the face to fans. Why should I spend money on a team that doesn’t even want to try and be better?

Jerry Reinsdorf took chit for selling the Jordan Bell pick to Golden State for 3
Million dollars when he is rich. It pissed off Bulls fans.
Server in Phoenix actually sold a lottery pick years ago for 3 million dollars during the Steve Nash MVP years.
He took chit.

Selling 2nd round picks for just money is among the worst rules in the NBa.
Give up a future 2nd as well.

I got no problem with the teams buying them doing it they are trying to win. It’s bullchit the league allows it.
For measly 3 million dollars. Make that money part of luxury tax spending.
So if you buy a pick it’s worth more than just 3 million dollars.

 

[Melancer46]

One thing I'm not sure the Bucks really have is a lead ball handler, Holiday doesn't feel like a true point (maybe thats a passe term now anyway) to me. But they do have a lot of wings/Giannis who handle the ball a fair amount, so it may be fine. (also, did they really have a true lead guard last year? )

Yeah, this is why Holiday wasn't the guy I wanted (that along with the fact that I expected him to command a lot more in a trade than I thought he deserved, which, bingo). Having said that, literally all 5 of our are starters are guys that you can run the offense through for portions of games. That's pretty rare, and with Jrue, we still maintain elite defense at both the point of attack and at the rim.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So who does Jeff Green land a vet minimum deal from this season?

 

[Arangeman]

Can someone explain why the Kings do that trade?

 

[Knicks411]

Can someone explain why the Kings do that trade?

Yeah I thought all the talk was they were really looking to keep him. So, the answer has to be he was gonna leave

 

[Melancer46]

Can someone explain why the Kings do that trade?

The simple explanation is they didn't want to pay him and they got a good young prospect and a couple expiring deals they can use to bring in guys that they do want (and one of which is DJ Wilson, who is a Sacramento kid that they could theoretically actually like).

And much much smaller aspects to it: they're constantly fighting against a reputation that players hate their organization, so doing one of their guys a solid to let him go to the team he wants to go to is a nice gesture and I also believe the Bucks and Kings owners are friends.

 

[Arangeman]

Yeah I thought all the talk was they were really looking to keep him. So, the answer has to be he was gonna leave

So I’m to believe they shopped him around to every team and the best they could get was DiVincenzo?

 

[chugg21]

Rocket's trade Covington (for two firsts and Trevor ariza ...as well as pick swaps) to Portland. they traded Capella and a first for Covington just a few months ago. Why trade Covington? He's a perfectly good player to keep even if you are building for the future. Ariza is 100 year old and doesn't even want to be there...the two first round picks will be way at the end of the first round...and the 2020 pick is in a crap draft. great start for the new houston GM.

Probably grabbing picks for another move that is coming since they gave theirs to OKC for Westbrook.

 

[chugg21]

So I’m to believe they shopped him around to every team and the best they could get was DiVincenzo?

He was a RFA, they couldn't just ship him to anyone, he had to be on board with it.

 

[MikeSU02]

You get the stars and worry about everything else later.

MIL has to go all in on Giannis and getting him to re-sign. The contingency plans for life without Giannis are so off the level of having him that it doesn't matter if you're filling out this roster with Jackie Moon. BTW, remember all these same concerns with the Lakers?

Kudos to Edens and Lasry on this and going all in. This team is better than the Nets, Cs, Heat, etc.

 

[Arangeman]

The simple explanation is they didn't want to pay him and they got a good young prospect and a couple expiring deals they can use to bring in guys that they do want (and one of which is DJ Wilson, who is a Sacramento kid that they could theoretically actually like).

And much much smaller aspects to it: they're constantly fighting against a reputation that players hate their organization, so doing one of their guys a solid to let him go to the team he wants to go to is a nice gesture and I also believe the Bucks and Kings owners are friends.

DiVincenzo is a good young prospect? He can’t really shoot. I think it got the Bucks out from under a likely 1st rd bust pick. He’s a role player at best if he sticks.

You are right that Sac didn’t want to pay him (and Buddy). I just can’t believe that’s the best they could do.

Ah, restricted FA, makes more sense. Still bad by Kings.

 

[Alsacs]

I don’t mind what the Kings did.
Bogadonevic wanted out.
He could have signed his RFA tender and become a UFA next year.

He worked with Sacramento to get a solid replacement back.
DiVincezio is a solid player who really improved last year.

The Kings got a legit player back. He isn’t as good now but he can develop more. Problem is I doubt he will want to stay when he becomes a RFA.