NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[Ozcuse]

wOnT sOmEoNe ThInK oF tHe PoOr ScHoOlS

 

[longislandcuse]

People are really following the NCAA’s bullchit about this bill.
All this bill does is allow players to own their likeness and sign endorsements deal while maintaining their eligibility.
The boosters aren’t going to give players a lot of money for worthless likeness or endorsement deals.

This law is protecting the Stars who deserve money. Think Carmelo Anthony or Zion Williamson.
Players role players aren’t going to get insane money.

EA Sports has no reason to not give every kid some bucks and bringing back College Football video game.

I think you’re being incredibly naive.

I spend half my week 40 minutes from Clemson.

The amount of money willing to be spent to keep them elite is beyond comprehension for us Syracuse fans.

A guy like Tanner Muse is going to get PAID if this becomes the norm... Tanner Muse.

 

[NKR1978]

You can’t pay the athletes profits or the schools cut a lot of sports.

I have said amend the law that all collegiate programs that bring in profits must give some stipend or something. The money comes from football TV and donations, tickets. Basketball as well.
The rest of the sports don’t turn profits.

That might run into a Title IX issue. Anything that allows the schools to treat athletes differently is going to be tough.

I think the California law is almost perfect. No Title IX issues and the market will decide. If some rich idiot wants to throw away money then let them.

 

[TheCusian]

The NY bill would kill collegiate sports.
If 15% of profits had to been to all athletes.
Then non revenue sports would be cut and only football, and men’s and women’s basketball would survive.

Colleges aren’t going to pay cross country runners, lacrosse players, swimming athletes profits from football and basketball players.

Also unions/CBA won’t be far behind from the NY bill. That 15% would become negotiable in the future.

Truthfully, I hadn't done a deep dive on our bill. That sounds bad.

 

[longislandcuse]

That might run into a Title IX issue. Anything that allows the schools to treat athletes differently is going to be tough.

I think the California law is almost perfect. No Title IX issues and the market will decide. If some rich idiot wants to throw away money then let them.

For the record, I’m neither for or against this... I just hope we have some rich idiots in Syracuse.

We just now are beginning to compete in the football arms race and now I have to hope we have a bunch of car dealership owners that are huge Syracuse Football fans.

 

[NKR1978]

For the record, I’m neither for or against this... I just hope we have some rich idiots in Syracuse.

We just now are beginning to compete in the football arms race and now I have to hope we have a bunch of car dealership owners that are huge Syracuse Football fans.

It really depends. But I doubt it changes much of the pecking order. It'll be interesting to see where the money goes for a school like Clemson. Now they're donating to IPTAY. What will happen to that fundraising when the biggest donors decide put their money directly in player hands instead of paying for a full time barber?

It opens up a fun can of worms. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

 

[Alsacs]

I think you’re being incredibly naive.

I spend half my week 40 minutes from Clemson.

The amount of money willing to be spent to keep them elite is beyond comprehension for us Syracuse fans.

A guy like Tanner Muse is going to get PAID if this becomes the norm... Tanner Muse.

Tanner Muse can get paid he isn’t going to get a lot of money.
If some moron wants to pay Muse then it’s a win/win. The kid gets money and the school doesn’t have to pay him.

One thing about businessmen/women they don’t throw money away. Rich people are smart with their money. If they want kids to do endorsements it means they think they will make money as well. Letting kids make some money is good.

 

[longislandcuse]

It really depends. But I doubt it changes much of the pecking order. It'll be interesting to see where the money goes for a school like Clemson. Now they're donating to IPTAY. What will happen to that fundraising when the biggest donors decide put their money directly in player hands instead of paying for a full time barber?

It opens up a fun can of worms. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

The money will be there regardless for a school like Clemson. I know a few boosters from business circles in Greenville and they’ll provide money wherever it needs to go.

 

[Scooch]

I think you’re being incredibly naive.

I spend half my week 40 minutes from Clemson.

The amount of money willing to be spent to keep them elite is beyond comprehension for us Syracuse fans.

A guy like Tanner Muse is going to get PAID if this becomes the norm... Tanner Muse.

But that money already is being spent. Clemson used huge booster money to build facilities, including that infamous slide. It’s just indirect, lavishing silly luxuries on players via the school.

Now players can get a cut of the largesse, directly. Will that be abused? Quite likely. Is the current system abused? Duh.

 

[longislandcuse]

Tanner Muse can get paid he isn’t going to get a lot of money.
If some moron wants to pay Muse then it’s a win/win. The kid gets money and the school doesn’t have to pay him.

One thing about businessmen/women they don’t throw money away. Rich people are smart with their money. If they want kids to do endorsements it means they think they will make money as well. Letting kids make some money is good.

Rich people in the southeast, that love their football, will absolutely throw money away if it results in their program being good.

I know plenty of people who cut checks to Clemson and UGA with no expected return on investment aside from give me a Championship Football Team.

 

[Scooch]

And let me be clear, I fully understand that when the dust settles on all of this, Syracuse could be disadvantaged. Perhaps there will only be 25-30 schools left who can truly “compete” by virtue of having quasi-owners who pay players huge money. Maybe that’s for the best? The system is pretty darn rotten as it exists. I think it’s hard to consider oneself a capitalist or in favor of free markets, and not see how badly the current system is broken.

 

[Geode]

I think you’re being incredibly naive.

I spend half my week 40 minutes from Clemson.

The amount of money willing to be spent to keep them elite is beyond comprehension for us Syracuse fans.

A guy like Tanner Muse is going to get PAID if this becomes the norm... Tanner Muse.

Remember those old place mats that were covered in advertisements in diners? Yeah, imagine those filled with headshots of the 2025 North Texas Horned Frogs, err, Mean Green, and each player gets a $15k check from the placemat ad agency/booster payment clearinghouse as part of their baseline NIL payment. You think the facilities arms race is rough, we ain't seen nuthin' yet boys...

 

[Bayside44]

Tanner Muse can get paid he isn’t going to get a lot of money.
If some moron wants to pay Muse then it’s a win/win. The kid gets money and the school doesn’t have to pay him.

One thing about businessmen/women they don’t throw money away. Rich people are smart with their money. If they want kids to do endorsements it means they think they will make money as well. Letting kids make some money is good.

This is hobbyist money for a lot of big donors. Pro sports is littered with bad contracts from guys that actually run their teams. Now add in megadonor superfans who don't know anything about sports but think they do.

 

[NKR1978]

Remember those old place mats that were covered in advertisements in diners? Yeah, imagine those filled with headshots of the 2025 North Texas Horned Frogs, err, Mean Green, and each player gets a $15k check from the placemat ad agency/booster payment clearinghouse as part of their baseline NIL payment. You think the facilities arms race is rough, we ain't seen nuthin' yet boys...

There's probably some oil billionaire who went to Texas A&M Corpus Christi who would spend good money for a Sweet 16 basketball team.

I doubt much changes for football. Ole Miss already has boosters that cut checks and will continue to. It hasn't helped them that much. We'll probably basically get the same kids we get now.

Basketball will be more interesting. Whole lot easier to buy 8 kids.

 

[TheCusian]

Remember those old place mats that were covered in advertisements in diners? Yeah, imagine those filled with headshots of the 2025 North Texas Horned Frogs, err, Mean Green, and each player gets a $15k check from the placemat ad agency/booster payment clearinghouse as part of their baseline NIL payment. You think the facilities arms race is rough, we ain't seen nuthin' yet boys...

This kind of showcases the issue. Where's the value for the business? They just paid 15K a player for what exactly?

Eric Dungey or Gerry Mac at the height of their popularity could offer some value locally. But the whole team?

If the NCAA were less corrupt/busted they could turn this into an opportunity to take some pressure off at the "pay the players" level, while gaining more leverage in investigating real "bagmen" and schools who cheat.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This kind of showcases the issue. Where's the value for the business? They just paid 15K a player for what exactly?

Eric Dungey or Gerry Mac at the height of their popularity could offer some value locally. But the whole team?

If the NCAA were less corrupt/busted they could turn this into an opportunity to take some pressure off at the "pay the players" level, while gaining more leverage in investigating real "bagmen" and schools who cheat.

Paying players won’t be about a return on investment financially. It will be about making the team better and getting a power trip over being the reason for the team’s success.

 

[Horn88]

Rich people in the southeast, that love their football, will absolutely throw money away if it results in their program being good.

I know plenty of people who cut checks to Clemson and UGA with no expected return on investment aside from give me a Championship Football Team.

It's definitely going to gentrify college football but as many have said the reality is it already is broken out into tiers.

I think it would actually create slightly more parity in a way because it will open up that top elite tier from the current group of 6-7 teams with a realistic chance at a ring to now it's say 12. I have a feeling schools like UCF or some other huge state schools will spend their way in to the top group.

FIU is in Miami and churns out ~13,500 undergrad graduates a year. It becomes a numbers game and if a small fraction of that alumni base decide they care about becoming a football power and will contribute to a fund to help get better recruits they could easily become a power house pretty quickly. And I'm sure it will be an easy sell because as plenty of evidence shows that high profile athletic success increases applicants and allows the school to be more selective with admissions and ultimately raise their academic profile.

 

[PAcuse]

I hope it passes to all states, can't wait for NCAA 23 College Football!!! and of course for the kids to get their share of all the money.

 

[djcon57]

I hope we have some friends of the program with local businesses because, you’re correct, I know first hand that Clemson and UGA have local business-owners very much ready to throw some sponsorship money around if it comes to that.

We just had 25 mil for “facilities”.

 

[djcon57]

And let me be clear, I fully understand that when the dust settles on all of this, Syracuse could be disadvantaged. Perhaps there will only be 25-30 schools left who can truly “compete” by virtue of having quasi-owners who pay players huge money. Maybe that’s for the best? The system is pretty darn rotten as it exists. I think it’s hard to consider oneself a capitalist or in favor of free markets, and not see how badly the current system is broken.

Yep. We might be hurt, but no one seems to care that we have massive advantages over, say, Buffalo now.

You can’t ignore the advantages we have now and then say “Hey you can’t do this. That’s unfair.”

 

[maxxyz]

If college athletes can be paid sponsorship money, prepare for SU to be on the outside looking in. There will be about 20 schools who have an alumni network that will be happy to pay large $$$ for athletes. And Syracuse University is not one of them.

 

[Cusefan0307]

We just had 25 mil for “facilities”.

That’s not even including 118 million for the dome.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I think the world has gone crazy.

 

[FasterCuse]

If college athletes can be paid sponsorship money, prepare for SU to be on the outside looking in. There will be about 20 schools who have an alumni network that will be happy to pay large $$$ for athletes. And Syracuse University is not one of them.

100% agree with this... If you're a school like SU, I think you're going to be on the outside looking in for football. Maybe we can direct our donors to pony up to field a competitive basketball team, but it's going to be hard to compete with large public universities, and universities who who a lot more donors with big pockets.

I'm torn because I think it is the right thing to do for the student athlete, but I have a (bad) feeling that this is the end of SU athletics as a lot of us have known it.

 

[qdawgg]

We just had 25 mil for “facilities”.

That’s not even including 118 million for the dome.

I think you guys are actually making the point that is opposite of what you think. I've been following SU for ~ 30 years, this money we are seeing recently is unheard of for us but not for all the other schools. We aren't seeing 25 mill again possibly for a long time. Other schools get that every time they need some sort of facelift. That recent money we are seeing proves we can't compete at the highest level.