NFL Thread - 2018

[NineOneSeven]

Imagine a stupid coin toss determining the winner? Chiefs deserved it. Best game of the season was chiefs rams. Every neutral fan in existence deserves that game round 2. Not those patriot pu$$ies.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Brees arm was fine against Philly when he completed about 3 third and 20’s. PFF grades these guys you know and he had the highest QB grade this year.

The second INT was on Edelman and not Brady and I’m not a Pats fan. Not sure where you come with this stuff sometimes.

The last INT was def on gronk.

NO NO NO NO NO AND NO.

All INTs are the QBs fault.

I looked at the box score and they are listed next too brady’s name.

ALL HIS FAIULT.

It’s like people have learned nothing on here...

 

[Cusefan0307]

10 years, 5 SB’s and 8 championship games later and people are still complaining about Spygate lol.

 

[ForCuseSake]

They actually build their rosters to beat NE.

I’m genuinely curious what personnel decisions other AFC East teams have made that makes you believe they’re focused on NE.

I just don’t see it.

What surprises me the most is that not one defensive lineman from the Bills, Jets or Dolphins has taken a penalty/fine/suspension to knock Brady out.

Especially while Buddy’s sons were floating around the division. Gregg Williams can’t be the only NFL coach offering bounties.

Did Suh take a crack when he played in Miami?

 

[bpo57]

Imagine a stupid coin toss determining the winner? Chiefs deserved it. Best game of the season was chiefs rams. Every neutral fan in existence deserves that game round 2. Not those patriot pu$$ies.

Most important coin toss in NFL history. You knew that whoever won the toss was winning the game.

 

[Alsacs]

There's nothing in there that I didn't already know, and there was also more than was ever revealed. Goodell was still Kraft's boy at the time, and he was in his debt for Kraft's efforts to have him hired commissioner. Goodell had scads of evidence destroyed for two reasons. First, it would have revealed Belichick and the Patriots were dirtier than what was then known; and second, with the destruction of so much critical evidence, it effectively forestalled the threatened upcoming Senate investigation. I recall reading that around the same time, stadium security staffs had on numerous occasions chased away 'alleged operatives' trying surreptitiously to gain access to teams' practice facilities. Who knows who they were, but if any were caught in the service of another team, it was all immediately buried.

The NFL swallowed the scandal as it was to prevent revealing a greater one: a.) that Super Bowls had been won by teams that had cheated; and many more teams other than just the Patriots were doing it. Finally, it might have cratered the league if an investigation revealed gambling interests had insider access to the knowledge.

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You can think whatever you want but here is what happened.
The NFL Network was having a battle with Comcast to get the NFLN on its basic cable tier.
Arlen Specter was a Senator from PA but he was very close to Comcast president Ed Snyder.
Snyder was battling the NFL so Specter used his power and Spygate coverup to put pressure on the NFL.

The media were shown parts of the Spygate videos.
Spygate tapes hardly a must see
What the Patriots did was video the signals and then after the game would lineup the signals with actual calls and tried to get intel for the future.

It was a clear violation of the rules after the NFL said don’t record signals from the sidelines. They didn’t film a walkthrough or practices that allegation was proven false and the guy who wrote it is a Boston Sportstwriter John Tomase and he was wrong and he will tell you he was wrong and he hates the Patriots. He wanted it to be true and ran the story with a single source Matt Walsh who burned him. The Boston Herald ran a n A1 apology because they were wrong in the story.

Spygate was an actual violation but the truth of what it was about isn’t understood or people don’t care.

 

[Alsacs]

I’m genuinely curious what personnel decisions other AFC East teams have made that makes you believe they’re focused on NE.

I just don’t see it.

What surprises me the most is that not one defensive lineman from the Bills, Jets or Dolphins has taken a penalty/fine/suspension to knock Brady out.

Especially while Buddy’s sons were floating around the division. Gregg Williams can’t be the only NFL coach offering bounties.

Did Suh take a crack when he played in Miami?

Since 2011 the Jets have taken Muhammad Wilkerson, Quinton Coples, Sheldon Richardson, Leonard Williams, Darren Lee, Jamal Adams in the first round.
They are draft defensive linemen and a stud safety to stop the Patriots offense.

Buffalo has taken Aaron Maybin, Marcel Darius, Shaq Lawson, Stephen Gilmore.

Miami has taken Jared Orwick, Dion Jordan, signed Suh.

All these teams are wasting a lot of high draft captial on stoping the Patriots offense.
They have neglected their offenses to focus on defense.
It is why the QBs have sucked.
Jets took Sanchez 6th and Tannehill 9th and Bills finally went Allen this past draft and Jets Darnold.

The league has gone towards offense the AFC East teams have been focusing on stopping NE offense over getting their own offenses in check.

 

[Alsacs]

Most important coin toss in NFL history. You knew that whoever won the toss was winning the game.

SB 51 OT coin toss won a championship. Yesterday didn’t won’t he SB like 51 did.

 

[DMDMD]

It is going to take me a long time to forgive Dee Ford.

Mahomes is amazing, but still young and it shows sometimes. Once he learns not to take 15 yard sacks and gets these first half issues (not entirely on him) under control, there will be no stopping him.

In 4/5 losses this year, the chiefs failed to win because they scored too quickly at the end of the game and allowed the other team to possess the ball. In today's game, a team must know how to drive for 3.5 minutes, take as much clock as possible and end the game. BB/Brady are absolute masters at this and is a major reason they are always in the SB.

 

[Alsacs]

I should add Suh did cost the Patriots a SB. In 2015 week 17 he single handily beat Brady and that lost gave Denver HFA and they won that game with HFA 20-18.
So to above yeah Suh did affect atleas 1 Championship.

 

[Toga]

 

[bpo57]

Since 2011 the Jets have taken Muhammad Wilkerson, Quinton Coples, Sheldon Richardson, Leonard Williams, Darren Lee, Jamal Adams in the first round.
They are draft defensive linemen and a stud safety to stop the Patriots offense.

Buffalo has taken Aaron Maybin, Marcel Darius, Shaq Lawson, Stephen Gilmore.

Miami has taken Jared Orwick, Dion Jordan, signed Suh.

All these teams are wasting a lot of high draft captial on stoping the Patriots offense.
They have neglected their offenses to focus on defense.
It is why the QBs have sucked.
Jets took Sanchez 6th and Tannehill 9th and Bills finally went Allen this past draft and Jets Darnold.

The league has gone towards offense the AFC East teams have been focusing on stopping NE offense over getting their own offenses in check.

Everybody drafts DL talent every year. They're not unique. Philly has taken Barnett, Cox and Graham in the first round and will probably draft another one this year. Just off the top of my head Dallas and Washington have drafted a lot of DL over the last few years. It's always a position of need. Gotta get after the QB or you lose.

 

[bpo57]

SB 51 OT coin toss won a championship. Yesterday didn’t won’t he SB like 51 did.

Not comparable. Both sides were rolling up and down the field yesterday in the 4Q. Atlanta was dead team walking going into OT. Had not scored since the 8:30 mark of the 3Q.

 

[Cowtown]

Well, a couple things.

"The media were shown parts of the Spygate videos." Which means there were parts they were not shown. Sounds like a selectively orchestrated show trial to me. Show all the tapes and let those involved make up their own minds independently.

"Spygate was an actual violation but the truth of what it was about isn’t understood ... " That's quite possibly true, for the tapes that Goodell had destroyed were not seen by anyone but him and the Patriots. Ask yourself, "Qui bono?" Or as I like to call it, the Latin equivalent of "follow the dollar."

 

[ForCuseSake]

Since 2011 the Jets have taken Muhammad Wilkerson, Quinton Coples, Sheldon Richardson, Leonard Williams, Darren Lee, Jamal Adams in the first round.
They are draft defensive linemen and a stud safety to stop the Patriots offense.

Buffalo has taken Aaron Maybin, Marcel Darius, Shaq Lawson, Stephen Gilmore.

Miami has taken Jared Orwick, Dion Jordan, signed Suh.

All these teams are wasting a lot of high draft captial on stoping the Patriots offense.
They have neglected their offenses to focus on defense.
It is why the QBs have sucked.
Jets took Sanchez 6th and Tannehill 9th and Bills finally went Allen this past draft and Jets Darnold.

The league has gone towards offense the AFC East teams have been focusing on stopping NE offense over getting their own offenses in check.

I don't see anything those 3 teams have done in the draft other than fill holes on their roster. I don't think they're obsessed with NE to the point it influences their roster choices.

Buffalo has drafted 3 DLs since 2012; and passed up Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald to pick Sammy Watkins in 2014.

I think they just wanted to fill a roster need, not focus on NE.

 

[bpo57]

Well, a couple things.

"The media were shown parts of the Spygate videos." Which means there were parts they were not shown. Sounds like a selectively orchestrated show trial to me. Show all the tapes and let those involved make up their own minds independently.

"Spygate was an actual violation but the truth of what it was about isn’t understood ... " That's quite possibly true, for the tapes that Goodell had destroyed were not seen by anyone but him and the Patriots. Ask yourself, "Qui bono?" Or as I like to call it, the Latin equivalent of "follow the dollar."

I hate the Patriots with the best of them and my team (Eagles) was allegedly a victim but I got over that a long time ago. Best to let it go.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[bpo57]

Whoa Nellie that is a brilliant PR move.

 

[Cowtown]

It is going to take me a long time to forgive Dee Ford.

Mahomes is amazing, but still young and it shows sometimes. Once he learns not to take 15 yard sacks and gets these first half issues (not entirely on him) under control, there will be no stopping him.

In 4/5 losses this year, the chiefs failed to win because they scored too quickly at the end of the game and allowed the other team to possess the ball. In today's game, a team must know how to drive for 3.5 minutes, take as much clock as possible and end the game. BB/Brady are absolute masters at this and is a major reason they are always in the SB.

Well, if it was that simple, everyone would be doing it. There are all manner of things outside your control (fumbles, interceptions, penalties, bad calls, etc. Just ask Pete Carroll! ). Case in point - KC had the game won on D but for an absolutely idiotic offside penalty. So you take the score anyway you can get it. The defense has a job to do also. Sure, it would be nice to score and win on the final play, but that's not how it always works. Again, just IMHO.

 

[Cowtown]

I don't see anything those 3 teams have done in the draft other than fill holes on their roster. I don't think they're obsessed with NE to the point it influences their roster choices.

Buffalo has drafted 3 DLs since 2012; and passed up Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald to pick Sammy Watkins in 2014.

I think they just wanted to fill a roster need, not focus on NE.

Speaking as a Jets fan, the only thing Woody Johnson knows about football is that he owns a team. The other problem is they've had 20+ years of head coaches who were defensive asst coaches.

 

[BuffOrange]

I'm not a spygate guy but don't blame anyone who is. Don't even understand the argument for why destroying evidence was a good idea. Seems like that wouldn't happen if it was "everyone does it" type stuff.

Funny upside down from when the refs gave NE entry into a Rams SB all those years ago.

 

[djcon57]

I wrote this earlier in the year in this very thread and yesterday it proved its worth

I see no reason whatsoever to get emotionally connected with the NFL. The rules have been jimmied to the point that the refs can control the outcome...which I don’t think they do necessarily but I do think they call the game to have a close game and exciting ending. Two OT games. Sure! I

 

[bpo57]

I'm not a spygate guy but don't blame anyone who is. Don't even understand the argument for why destroying evidence was a good idea. Seems like that wouldn't happen if it was "everyone does it" type stuff.

Funny upside down from when the refs gave NE entry into a Rams SB all those years ago.

No doubt BB is a detestable human being but the spygate angle has been beaten to death. Nothing new to add here.

 

[BuffOrange]

I wrote this earlier in the year in this very thread and yesterday it proved its worth

I see no reason whatsoever to get emotionally connected with the NFL. The rules have been jimmied to the point that the refs can control the outcome...which I don’t think they do necessarily but I do think they call the game to have a close game and exciting ending. Two OT games. Sure! I

Basketball is no different. Drive to the basket at the end down 2-3 you might get a call(*). Down 1 or tie game you better draw blood(**).

*Unless you're playing Michigan in the F4
**Unless you're Michigan in the NC.

 

[djcon57]

Basketball is no different. Drive to the basket at the end down 2-3 you might get a call(*). Down 1 or tie game you better draw blood(**).

*Unless you're playing Michigan in the F4
**Unless you're Michigan in the NC.

I see styles called different in basketball sure but not really specific plays.

In the NFL, the way they have the rule officially in the rule book. You can call illegal contact on LITERALLY every play. The roughing penalty...sometimes one way, sometimes another.

For example, I don’t like the way college calls the block/charge but they are pretty consistent on calling a charge most of the time.

Pick plays in the NFL. Sometimes called. Other times ignored. There’s no consistency other than...the only pattern I see is, it seems to me to be called one way to get an exciting finish