NFL Thread - 2019

[Alsacs]

I like the Saints road. Green Bay is not good.

Unless the refs screw the Saints at Green Bay and I really mean this I am not saying like fans do in hyperbole manner, I expect the NFC title game to be New Orleans at San Francisco.

 

[jordville]

For those asking about the officiating last night...

 

[chugg21]

Am I a moron who refuses to learn from recent Jets history if I would not mind the Phins extending Fitz for a two year deal?

Never give Fitz more than 1 year. Bring him back, ship Rosen off for a 4th or whatever and take Tua at 5. Don't overthink it.

 

[Trueblue25]

Never give Fitz more than 1 year. Bring him back, ship Rosen off for a 4th or whatever and take Tua at 5. Don't overthink it.

Not sold on Tua but we’ll see

 

[Cusefan0307]

Unless the refs screw the Saints at Green Bay and I really mean this I am not saying like fans do in hyperbole manner, I expect the NFC title game to be New Orleans at San Francisco.

I watched just about the entire GB game yesterday and Rodgers looked like late career Eli Manning.

 

[ssbriefcase]

For those asking about the officiating last night...

Eh, I get if an offensive player runs into a defender, but the defenders hands all over the would be receiver is what I have a problem with.

 

[chugg21]

Not sold on Tua but we’ll see

Not sold? Then you probably shouldn't be sold on any QB in history. The production that he's had over a sustained period of time while playing in the biggest games possible in unquestionable. The hip injury was bad but all reports are that he should be fine. He's a likely decade solution to a 20 year problem. Overthinking it is how teams end up having to take Christian Ponder or Jake Locker in the top 10.

 

[Alsacs]

I watched just about the entire GB game yesterday and Rodgers looked like late career Eli Manning.

Aaron Rodgers career road record is 45-46.

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He isn’t good away from home. The ESPN talking heads make him appear to be a god because he is athletic but he is overrated IMO.
At home he is good. 71-18.

Elite players are good anywhere. He is a great player but the guy doesn’t get elevated correctly.
Peyton Manning was 85-48 on the road.
Tom Brady is 98-45 on the road.

Drew Brees is 75-62 on the road.

Rodgers is overrated.

 

[Trueblue25]

Not sold? Then you probably shouldn't be sold on any QB in history. The production that he's had over a sustained period of time while playing in the biggest games possible in unquestionable. The hip injury was bad but all reports are that he should be fine. He's a likely decade solution to a 20 year problem. Overthinking it is how teams end up having to take Christian Ponder or Jake Locker in the top 10.

Outside of LSU, Georgia and Florida the SEC’s not the defensive juggernaut it has previously been. He’s certainly the 2nd best qb on the board but I’m not sure he’s the best pick yet.

 

[chugg21]

Outside of LSU, Georgia and Florida the SEC’s not the defensive juggernaut it has previously been. He’s certainly the 2nd best qb on the board but I’m not sure he’s the best pick yet.

Yeah, who wants the most accurate QB in SEC history with a 87/11 TD/INT ratio that just went for 400 and 4 TDs on 1 leg against the #1 team in the country? The only reason to skip him is if you plan to not add anything in FA and keep it stripped down to the bare bones and pray for Trevor but that's not happening. Have to strike on a top 5 QB when you get the chance. Waiting causes teams to end up with guys like Herbert who are a 50/50 shot at best and probably more like 30/70 and sets you back multiple years.

 

[Alsacs]

Outside of LSU, Georgia and Florida the SEC’s not the defensive juggernaut it has previously been. He’s certainly the 2nd best qb on the board but I’m not sure he’s the best pick yet.

The guy is coming off a hip injury and has 4 WRs on his college team going to be drafted when they come out this year or next in the first 2 rounds.

Plus his LT and RG are first round picks.
I am not sold on Tua either. He isn’t built big either. I think he can spin the ball but i honestly didn’t like when seeing him against good defenses last year in Georgia or Clemson.

The talent advantage in college allows him to look better. He is a machine in college but I don’t see franchise QB. However I am not an NFL Coach so who knows. I don’t like Joe Burrow either.
I do like Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields as prospects. Fields impressed me with his arm and passing ability when it was obvious he wasn’t close to 100% as a scrambler.

He has Kyler Murray in him. Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning/John Elway.

I really want the Patriots to bottom out next year. Tank like the Warriors this year piss off the NFL and get Trevor Lawrence. NFL suspend Bill Belichick for the 2020 season.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Outside of LSU, Georgia and Florida the SEC’s not the defensive juggernaut it has previously been. He’s certainly the 2nd best qb on the board but I’m not sure he’s the best pick yet.

How about him on the biggest stage against the best defenses? He's had plenty out of conference games to prove himself. Now I'm not sure post hip injury if he'll be the same, but there will be plenty of time to get reports before the draft. Prior to the injury I'd take him in one second.

 

[ssbriefcase]

The guy is coming off a hip injury and has 4 WRs on his college team going to be drafted when they come out this year or next in the first 2 rounds.

Plus his LT and RG are first round picks.
I am not sold on Tua either. He isn’t built big either. I think he can spin the ball but i honestly didn’t like when seeing him against good defenses last year in Georgia or Clemson.

The talent advantage in college allows him to look better. He is a machine in college but I don’t see franchise QB. However I am not an NFL Coach so who knows. I don’t like Joe Burrow either.
I do like Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields as prospects. Fields impressed me with his arm and passing ability when it was obvious he wasn’t close to 100% as a scrambler.

He has Kyler Murray in him. Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning/John Elway.

I really want the Patriots to bottom out next year. Tank like the Warriors this year piss off the NFL and get Trevor Lawrence. NFL suspend Bill Belichick for the 2020 season.

Wow. No Tua or Burrow, but you like Fields???? Not sure I'd put Lawrence on that pedestal yet. And you don't think Tua's built big but you like Murray???

 

[chugg21]

The guy is coming off a hip injury and has 4 WRs on his college team going to be drafted when they come out this year or next in the first 2 rounds.

Plus his LT and RG are first round picks.
I am not sold on Tua either. He isn’t built big either. I think he can spin the ball but i honestly didn’t like when seeing him against good defenses last year in Georgia or Clemson.

The talent advantage in college allows him to look better. He is a machine in college but I don’t see franchise QB. However I am not an NFL Coach so who knows. I don’t like Joe Burrow either.
I do like Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields as prospects. Fields impressed me with his arm and passing ability when it was obvious he wasn’t close to 100% as a scrambler.

He has Kyler Murray in him. Lawrence is the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning/John Elway.

I really want the Patriots to bottom out next year. Tank like the Warriors this year piss off the NFL and get Trevor Lawrence. NFL suspend Bill Belichick for the 2020 season.

Hmmm...so Tua knocked down for having NFL talent around him but not Lawrence? You do realize that he is throwing to a minimum of 2 1st rd WRs and likely more while being surrounded with NFL lineman. Good job just picking and choosing whom to apply certain things to when it literally applies to each of the QBs you mention. Tua has next level accuracy which is what makes him elite. And yes I also agree that Lawrence is the best QB since Luck and it has been that way since he was in 10th grade.

 

[tbonezone]

i think the entire sports broadcasting casting owes the miami dolphins a sincere apology for so openly accusing the PHIN's of blatantly and intentionally tanking this year for the #1 pick. THEY WON 5 GAMES !

 

[Trueblue25]

Yeah, who wants the most accurate QB in SEC history with a 87/11 TD/INT ratio that just went for 400 and 4 TDs on 1 leg against the #1 team in the country? The only reason to skip him is if you plan to not add anything in FA and keep it stripped down to the bare bones and pray for Trevor but that's not happening. Have to strike on a top 5 QB when you get the chance. Waiting causes teams to end up with guys like Herbert who are a 50/50 shot at best and probably more like 30/70 and sets you back multiple years.

With Bama’s receivers Nate Peterman could probably have a 3:1 td:int ratio. Not sold. Throw in bama’s running game as well.

 

[Alsacs]

Wow. No Tua or Burrow, but you like Fields???? Not sure I'd put Lawrence on that pedestal yet. And you don't think Tua's built big but you like Murray???

Murray runs a 4.44 40 yard dash.
Tua was clocked between 4.76 and 4.81.

Murray can outrun NFL LBs. Tua can’t.
I think Murray has the better arm strength and I will give Tua more accuracy even though Murray isn’t bad.

NFL defensives are way more athletic than any college D. You need either crazy athleticism or be able to get the ball out fast accurately.
I am not buying Tua yet. He needs to show he can throw into small windows. His weapons at Alabama are crazy. They are always wide open. Jeudy, Waddle, Smith, Ruggs are insanely good.

Like I would take those 4 over the New England WR now that and includes Edelman. They make Tua’s Job easy.

 

[Trueblue25]

How about him on the biggest stage against the best defenses? He's had plenty out of conference games to prove himself. Now I'm not sure post hip injury if he'll be the same, but there will be plenty of time to get reports before the draft. Prior to the injury I'd take him in one second.

Clemson embarrassed him. He was outclassed vs LSU.

 

[chugg21]

Murray runs a 4.44 40 yard dash.
Tua was clocked between 4.76 and 4.81.

Murray can outrun NFL LBs. Tua can’t.
I think Murray has the better arm strength and I will give Tua more accuracy even though Murray isn’t bad.

NFL defensives are way more athletic than any college D. You need either crazy athleticism or be able to get the ball out fast accurately.
I am not buying Tua yet. He needs to show he can throw into small windows. His weapons at Alabama are crazy. They are always wide open. Jeudy, Waddle, Smith, Ruggs are insanely good.

Like I would take those 4 over the New England WR now that and includes Edelman. They make Tua’s Job easy.

You are comparing a 6 foot pocket QB to a 5'9 scrambler. They aren't relevant to each other.

 

[Trueblue25]

Wow. No Tua or Burrow, but you like Fields???? Not sure I'd put Lawrence on that pedestal yet. And you don't think Tua's built big but you like Murray???

Wait

You guys are arguing for Tua, considering his play and history...and ignoring the fact that Lawrence b**** slapped him and has never lost a college game?

I’d go 0-16 next year with a smile on my face.

 

[chugg21]

Clemson embarrassed him. He was outclassed vs LSU.

Outclassed? He went over 400 with 4 TDs and led his team to over 40 pts against the #1 team in the country. People are legitimately crazy. You think that he was outclassed and not Saban's defense in that one?

 

[chugg21]

Wait

You guys are arguing for Tua, considering his play and history...and ignoring the fact that Lawrence b**** slapped him and has never lost a college game?

I’d go 0-16 next year with a smile on my face.

Everyone knows that Lawrence is the Grand Prize but 1 team is getting him so planning on that is stupid.

 

[Trueblue25]

Hmmm...so Tua knocked down for having NFL talent around him but not Lawrence? You do realize that he is throwing to a minimum of 2 1st rd WRs and likely more while being surrounded with NFL lineman. Good job just picking and choosing whom to apply certain things to when it literally applies to each of the QBs you mention. Tua has next level accuracy which is what makes him elite. And yes I also agree that Lawrence is the best QB since Luck and it has been that way since he was in 10th grade.

Lawrence emasculated Bama on a national stage with less offensive talent.

He not only embarrassed them, he made their defense and Tua look like the C Team.

 

[Alsacs]

Hmmm...so Tua knocked down for having NFL talent around him but not Lawrence? You do realize that he is throwing to a minimum of 2 1st rd WRs and likely more while being surrounded with NFL lineman. Good job just picking and choosing whom to apply certain things to when it literally applies to each of the QBs you mention. Tua has next level accuracy which is what makes him elite. And yes I also agree that Lawrence is the best QB since Luck and it has been that way since he was in 10th grade.

Lawrence makes throws Tua doesn’t.
Lawrence is also way more athletic than I realized.
That Ohio State secondary has a top 5 pick at DB that Lawrence threw dimes at.
Lawrence is a better prospect you concede. Tua isn’t in his ballpark.

 

[chugg21]

With Bama’s receivers Nate Peterman could probably have a 3:1 td:int ratio. Not sold. Throw in bama’s running game as well.

Show me another Alabama QB that put up numbers compared to his. I'll hang up and listen.