No H-Back in this weeks Depth Chart.

[Chip]

fullbacks are second to the elusive playmaker unicorn as the solution to every bad teams problems

fullbacks are a great way to pull another defender in the box. then we gotta hope that more people smashing into each other in the box is going to spring big runs. why not just get that defender the hell out of the way?

we don't have to give up on the bubble screen just because mcdonald didn't get it.

Does anyone even play fullback anymore? Do people recruit them? Ours are walk-ons, or at least former walk-ons, right?

Maybe they're trying to fool FSU into thinking we're lining up I-formation. Good luck prepping for that Jimbo.

 

[AZOrange]

Well they threw 25 at us.

We were begging them too. There's no doubt Kelly with scheme around a d. But the bubble spread offenses (Oregon, ok) are inferior IMO to multiple/prostyle bases (Bama).

 

[Cuseregular]

fullbacks are second to the elusive playmaker unicorn as the solution to every bad teams problems

fullbacks are a great way to pull another defender in the box. then we gotta hope that more people smashing into each other in the box is going to spring big runs. why not just get that defender the hell out of the way?

we don't have to give up on the bubble screen just because mcdonald didn't get it.

as a long term solution its NOT the solution. But given the situation here NOW, it's the only hope to salvage something. And as the post said you use it as a base while keeping everything else bubble included. Its not as hard as so many think. Seen in done twice first hand.

 

[Cuseregular]

Does anyone even play fullback anymore? Do people recruit them? Ours are walk-ons, or at least former walk-ons, right?

Maybe they're trying to fool FSU into thinking we're lining up I-formation. Good luck prepping for that Jimbo.

AAM is a natural fullback in style and ability. Good chance we see him some there.

 

[CousCuse]

Putting this chart up creates more issues for the FSU DC to scheme for . There is no tape to study . At the same time nothing has really changed as Lester and the offense are the same people who ran the previous offense.

 

[Cuse'91]

Putting this chart up creates more issues for the FSU DC to scheme for . There is no tape to study . At the same time nothing has really changed as Lester and the offense are the same people who ran the previous offense.

I wouldn't be surprised if FSU spends half this week game planning for Notre Dame...

 

[Crusty]

Lester's best year at Elmhurst featured a great RB Scottie Williams who also caught passes from out of the backfield.

He is said to prefer a West Coast offense that features a lot of power running. Who knows what he will do?

 

[CousCuse]

I wouldn't be surprised if FSU spends half this week game planning for Notre Dame...

O K.

 

[statsgrad]

Lester's best year at Elmhurst featured a great RB Scottie Williams who also caught passes from out of the backfield.

He is said to prefer a West Coast offense that features a lot of power running. Who knows what he will do?

Elmhurst has a youtube page with a lot of the games on video.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDFA936FECBE865CD

2012 is the season that they were very good. From the little bit that I watched Lester was running a pistol formation but more run heavy than we have so far the past 1.5 years. Lot of two WR sets with two TEs or two RBs. Disclaimer is that I had a hard time telling the difference between position players because a lot of these guys were pretty small. The good news is that when they did pass there seemed to be a bit more misdirection/play action than we have seen so far this year.

 

[Millhouse]

Offenses have changed over time, for sure, but the late 80s-90s 49ers used the fb exquisitely. Carroll also did well with them at usc. I will take a prostyle offense any day over this spread garbage. Even with this chart you will see a lot of 3wr/1rb sets...hopefully it just rids us of all the bubble garbage.

i think you're nuts

the examples you'll find of a really successful pro-style college offense would be successful in spread garbage

this post sounds like someone who doesn't watch much college football. tom rathman notwithstanding

 

[Millhouse]

Lester's best year at Elmhurst featured a great RB Scottie Williams who also caught passes from out of the backfield.

He is said to prefer a West Coast offense that features a lot of power running. Who knows what he will do?

if i were an AD, my simple rule of thumb would be to fire someone for ever even saying the word west coast. even if someone is talking about visiting their grandma on the west coast.

 

[AZOrange]

i think you're nuts

the examples you'll find of a really successful pro-style college offense would be successful in spread garbage

this post sounds like someone who doesn't watch much college football. tom rathman notwithstanding

Notwithstanding? Lol...

Ok, I'll take Bama and that style any day.

 

[Millhouse]

Notwithstanding? Lol...

Ok, I'll take Bama and that style any day.

i'm sure Bama would fail miserably in a spread offense. those players really suck.

lol bama

 

[AZOrange]

i'm sure Bama would fail miserably in a spread offense. those players really suck.

lol bama

They would be Oklahoma, then...or Oregon...I thought you were smarter than this. Notwithstanding, your use of notwithstanding...

 

[Millhouse]

They would be Oklahoma, then...or Oregon...I thought you were smarter than this. Notwithstanding, your use of notwithstanding...

yeah and oregon and oklahoma really suck too

tell you what, when we have rosters full of 10 year NFL starters, we can revisit whether a pro style offense is best

teams that are loaded beyond belief run those offenses so that their defenses can practice against it and be somewhat prepared for anything that comes their way. they don't need to run the best offense because they'll roll up yards no matter what they do.

people love to talk about limitations here but then want to pretend like we should do the same thing perennial top 5 programs do

 

[AZOrange]

yeah and oregon and oklahoma really suck too

tell you what, when we have rosters full of 10 year NFL starters, we can revisit whether a pro style offense is best

teams that are loaded beyond belief run those offenses so that their defenses can practice against it and be somewhat prepared for anything that comes their way. they don't need to run the best offense because they'll roll up yards no matter what they do.

people love to talk about limitations here but then want to pretend like we should do the same thing perennial top 5 programs do

Uh...it's about the system...and players. I'm not comparing Oregon to us...I'm comparing them to their comparable...Bama doesn't run those plays merely to prepare a defense. They run their system.

 

[Millhouse]

Uh...it's about the system...and players. I'm not comparing Oregon to us...I'm comparing them to their comparable...Bama doesn't run those plays merely to prepare a defense. They run their system.

when I said, pick a team "the examples you'll find of a really successful pro-style college offense would be successful in spread garbage", i never expected you to come back with Alabama

 

[cuseincincy]

Well they threw 25 at us.

That's because if you noticed our defense was short a man every time. We throw a bubble and expect the WR to "make a play" and beat a guy. ND threw it and had a blocker for each defender, all the WR had to do was catch and run. In other words our defense allowed them to throw 25 because we kept blitzing.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Look I'm not a football guy beyond watching a ton from the stands and on tv, but it seems that when talent is about even, the teams that score are the ones who aren't predictable. If we look at NE and NO, one thing that has stood out is that they throw out of 2 and 3 TE sets, and run on 3rd and 8 when the defense is exposed in the middle. The ability to break from tendencies is important.

When you run out the same look, coaches and players can predict what is about to happen. You can get away with this when you have NFL talent, but otherwise you need to keep defenders guessing instead of attacking. I don't care for any kind of label or being trendy, but I hope Lester plays to the current roster's strengths and focuses on that instead of trying to play to an opponent's weakness.

 

[BlazeOrange]

Erv Phillips not listed with the RBs even though he's had more carries/yards than GMII or DMF. Is DeVante healthy this week and regaining his spot?

 

[supp]

Hope this depth chart is a clue that we're going to be running the hell out of the ball the rest of the season. We're going to get squashed like a bug this Saturday regardless but the plan should be to run the ball 70% of the time going forward. Louisville's offense with Bonnafon should be the model. Let's see if they were paying attention.

 

[JoeSU]

Hope this depth chart is a clue that we're going to be running the hell out of the ball the rest of the season. We're going to get squashed like a bug this Saturday regardless but the plan should be to run the ball 70% of the time going forward.

That would be one way to control the clock and keep Winston & Co. off the field. However, it seems that opposing teams have had more success throwing the ball against the Nole defense.

 

[AZOrange]

when I said, pick a team "the examples you'll find of a really successful pro-style college offense would be successful in spread garbage", i never expected you to come back with Alabama

Honestly decoding your cryptograms is a really odd experience. I like prostyle offenses. I think they are superior for teams of like talent. That's not a difficult point to understand (it's really not).

 

[Millhouse]

Honestly decoding your cryptograms is a really odd experience. I like prostyle offenses. I think they are superior for teams of like talent. That's not a difficult point to understand (it's really not).

what does that have to do with us? we are not alabama.

 

[AZOrange]

what does that have to do with us? we are not alabama.

We're not? Dang it!

Let's go slow here. When dealing with players of similar caliber I think prostyle offenses are superior. So when we line up against the marylands of the world I think we'd be able to field a superior product. Of the teams all you people blather about who we should try to emulate I would go with Stanford. They are better against teams they are par talent with and they even hang with superior talented teams. Try to become Stanford.