offense struggles when a qb goes out

[upperdeck]

those that think it doesnt matter and shouldnt be a huge drop off dont watch enough other games. and the reality is that teams dont survive going to the 4th or 5th guy unless you have agreat oline to mask the issue.

most of the SEC is struggling at QB right now. we showed that our #2 can make the offense go and after that its gonna be tough but thats no different than other teams too. vaunted oregon went to a #2 last year and couldnt move the ball to the point that had to get a grad transfer this year

 

[Chip]

Once you get to #3, unless you are Ohio State, all bets are off.

 

[Jake]

Which brings me back to the whole Hunt thing. The worst part of his injury, is that he can't even function as a back up.

Funny to think what would have happened had his injury only been 1-2 games, right?

Oh, and anyone who wouldn't take Hunt back as a sixth year senior as the #2 QB next year, not as a TE, isn't paying attention.

 

[Full_Rebar]

My biggest question about the 2nd half offense was the decision to start with Mahoney and not Wilson. I thought Wilson did fine in the 2nd quarter and I thought SU could lean on the veteran OL to open holes for the backs and let Wilson use play-action for some short throws. The onside kick gave SU a great chance to put the game away.

 

[PAcuse]

My biggest question about the 2nd half offense was the decision to start with Mahoney and not Wilson. I thought Wilson did fine in the 2nd quarter and I thought SU could lean on the veteran OL to open holes for the backs and let Wilson use play-action for some short throws. The onside kick gave SU a great chance to put the game away.

It seemed like the triple option was gaining the most yardage for us. Wilson does not have the skill-set to run that offense, which is why I believe they went with Mahoney. Wilson did look good for the most part, CMU's DB did a great job to recover and catch up to the deep ball he threw for the INT.

 

[Oswego93]

Which brings me back to the whole Hunt thing. The worst part of his injury, is that he can't even function as a back up.

Funny to think what would have happened had his injury only been 1-2 games, right?

Oh, and anyone who wouldn't take Hunt back as a sixth year senior as the #2 QB next year, not as a TE, isn't paying attention.

Agreed. Recent developments really bring this point home. We really can't have enough options at QB at this point, given our proclivity for injuries at the position. Dungey, Culpepper, and (hopefully) Moore are a very good start, but having Hunt in the stable would be a very nice insurance policy. I'll be surprised if it happens, but relieved.

 

[upperdeck]

the first 2 drives of the 2nd half we ran some decent plays and got into good 3rd and short situations just didnt make first downs, but they were in protection mode not attack mode. that was it really for the quarter with the ball then the one play INT that if the throw is thrown 2 ft further or slightly different line is a big play.

then we had the ball at the 10 and tried not to give it away and one drive we tried to run out the clock. so as bad as the stats were it was only 2 that really sucked and 2 that we just failed on 3rd and short.

 

[Oswego93]

My biggest question about the 2nd half offense was the decision to start with Mahoney and not Wilson. I thought Wilson did fine in the 2nd quarter and I thought SU could lean on the veteran OL to open holes for the backs and let Wilson use play-action for some short throws. The onside kick gave SU a great chance to put the game away.

For every nice pass Wilson delivers, he seems to give us 2-3 What plays, and 2-3 impotent plays. He's a turnover machine, and at that point, the strategy was to play not to loose (i.e. nuts were in the throat of the playcalling).

 

[K Otto XLIV]

I expected the O to struggle when we play our 4th and 5th string QBs. However IMO Lester was over thinking things and outsmarted himself. Had he kept it simple and white knuckled it or gone pure triple option, then no issue IMO. However he was calling plays we haven't run all year. He was putting things on the shoulders of our QBs, which is the opposite of what you want to do in that situation. We saw empty backfields. We saw shots down the field. That aided in the O's failure. IMO if he kept it simple the O would have at the very least been on the field a little longer. It isn't a big deal since I don't expect us to be in this situation again this year. This shouldn't be an issue going forward. But I thought he failed us in the 2nd half.

 

[TheCusian]

My biggest question about the 2nd half offense was the decision to start with Mahoney and not Wilson. I thought Wilson did fine in the 2nd quarter and I thought SU could lean on the veteran OL to open holes for the backs and let Wilson use play-action for some short throws. The onside kick gave SU a great chance to put the game away.

I don't think the staff trusts him to throw without INT's. And he can't run.

 

[TheCusian]

I expected the O to struggle when we play our 4th and 5th string QBs. However IMO Lester was over thinking things and outsmarted himself. Had he kept it simple and white knuckled it or gone pure triple option, then no issue IMO. However he was calling plays we haven't run all year. He was putting things on the shoulders of our QBs, which is the opposite of what you want to do in that situation. We saw empty backfields. We saw shots down the field. That aided in the O's failure. IMO if he kept it simple the O would have at the very least been on the field a little longer. It isn't a big deal since I don't expect us to be in this situation again this year. This shouldn't be an issue going forward. But I thought he failed us in the 2nd half.

All that stuff is in the offense and practiced by all the QB's.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I don't think the staff trusts him to throw without INT's. And he can't run.

I was wrong- he had a completion to Lewis on the 2nd possession of the 2nd half. If the staff didn't trust him, why did he go in when Dungey was out? Like I said, I thought he looked good in the 2nd quarter- even if he can't run option.

 

[007]

My biggest question about the 2nd half offense was the decision to start with Mahoney and not Wilson. I thought Wilson did fine in the 2nd quarter and I thought SU could lean on the veteran OL to open holes for the backs and let Wilson use play-action for some short throws. The onside kick gave SU a great chance to put the game away.

I had the opposite reaction. Glad Lester/SS had the b@lls to give Mahoney a shot. He might not be the answer (I don't think we have an answer), but from what little we did see, he makes better decisions than Wilson and can run some option. Other than arm strength and an occasional nice throw, Wilson seems to consistently make poor decisions and has proven to be too limited for the O to be productive.

 

[Crusty]

My biggest question about the 2nd half offense was the decision to start with Mahoney and not Wilson. I thought Wilson did fine in the 2nd quarter and I thought SU could lean on the veteran OL to open holes for the backs and let Wilson use play-action for some short throws. The onside kick gave SU a great chance to put the game away.

When Wilson threw that INT he was done. The receiver got caught, but Austin under threw it. Just can't do that. It certainly looked like Lester wanted Mahoney for the option, but he was 4 for 4 without an INT. so gets the trust.

 

[orangepassion]

Mahoney looked better to me. Wilson seems a step slow for the action.

 

[Full_Rebar]

When Wilson threw that INT he was done. The receiver got caught, but Austin under threw it. Just can't do that. It certainly looked like Lester wanted Mahoney for the option, but he was 4 for 4 without an INT. so gets the trust.

I agree with that. Don't question not going back to him after the INT, just before. He made good throws to Estime and Custis, especially that TD throw. Need to have a threat of a passing game if you want to run.