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Ohio coach Frank Solich retires

There's probably chaos in the football wing this morning since there's no tape of the new guy head coaching. ;)

It's important to establish the excuses early. In recent years we have had to wait until well into the season for the full compliment to be established. Several were not created until well after the season was over. The sooner the excuses are all agreed upon, the happier the season will be.
 
Great coach and hope he gets better soon.
I'm not sure what it is this year but I have no worries for game 1 and normal years I have a long list of concerns. Might just be my way of saying, whatever happens, happens, and being less invested like in past years...
That's me exactly
 
VT 1999 sez hold my beer

But yeah IMHO definitely the top 5 since 1981
as big of a blowout as VT 1999 was, there is no comparison, they went undefeated and played in the national title game. Maryland was hot garbage, their only other wins were Howard and Rutgers(ie an FCS team and a 2-10 team). The MD game and the BC game pretty much showed a team who didn't give a damn.
 
as big of a blowout as VT 1999 was, there is no comparison, they went undefeated and played in the national title game. Maryland was hot garbage, their only other wins were Howard and Rutgers(ie an FCS team and a 2-10 team). The MD game and the BC game pretty much showed a team who didn't give a damn.
1999 we were ranked and got totally embarrassed like Maryland but also by a recruit they bought with $$$...finally it started the beginning to the end of the glory period started under Coach Mac.

We could spend hours or at least a couple beers arguing which sucked worse ;-)
 
It's important to establish the excuses early. In recent years we have had to wait until well into the season for the full compliment to be established. Several were not created until well after the season was over. The sooner the excuses are all agreed upon, the happier the season will be.
Listening to the excuses/rationalizations offered over the last 2 seasons planted the first seeds of doubt for me about DB (along with some of the in-game decision making). I want to believe and I am still all in on Dino...
 
Cardio Issues

 
1999 we were ranked and got totally embarrassed like Maryland but also by a recruit they bought with $$$...finally it started the beginning to the end of the glory period started under Coach Mac.

We could spend hours or at least a couple beers arguing which sucked worse ;-)
yeah, we definitely didn't deserve to be ranked that year, and certainly not in 2019. as far as Vick, noooooo, there was no funny business there, all legit. ahem.
 
VT 1999 sez hold my beer

But yeah IMHO definitely the top 5 since 1981
1999 we were ranked and got totally embarrassed like Maryland but also by a recruit they bought with $$$...finally it started the beginning to the end of the glory period started under Coach Mac.

We could spend hours or at least a couple beers arguing which sucked worse ;-)
I believe College Gameday was there for that game? The networks cut away from it. Yuck was that an awful loss.

Agreed sadly we could spend hours arguing about our all time suckfest games.
 
Definitely sad day for Ohio football. Frank was not the only good coach we have had in Athens. But he is the only one who has been able to make the team relevant at their level. Yes they have a seasoned staff remaining though I still think they miss Jim Burrow (Joe's Dad) whom had been our DC for 14 years before retiring to watch his son win the Heisman. Frank brought tremendous national credibility to the program that no one on the staff can replace. But while he elevated the level of recruiting he didn't elevate to a level beyond the MAC and he also didn't sell his or the program's soul like Freeze is doing at Liberty. Frank's secret was he was just a damn good football coach. Hopefully the staff he leaves behind will have the same type of success that Solich did after Tom Osbourne left Nebraska. Trust me on this...if Albin goes 9-3 at OU he won't be getting fired any time soon!
 
Definitely sad day for Ohio football. Frank was not the only good coach we have had in Athens. But he is the only one who has been able to make the team relevant at their level. Yes they have a seasoned staff remaining though I still think they miss Jim Burrow (Joe's Dad) whom had been our DC for 14 years before retiring to watch his son win the Heisman. Frank brought tremendous national credibility to the program that no one on the staff can replace. But while he elevated the level of recruiting he didn't elevate to a level beyond the MAC and he also didn't sell his or the program's soul like Freeze is doing at Liberty. Frank's secret was he was just a damn good football coach. Hopefully the staff he leaves behind will have the same type of success that Solich did after Tom Osbourne left Nebraska. Trust me on this...if Albin goes 9-3 at OU he won't be getting fired any time soon!
Can you elaborate on that comment? I thought Freeze was doing everything on the up and up and making the most of his second chance. He did not even entertain other offers to go to another program after his success last year. Maybe hiring him was Liberty selling their soul but it seems like Freeze has moved past his indiscretions and is trying to do it right.
 
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It's important to establish the excuses early. In recent years we have had to wait until well into the season for the full compliment to be established. Several were not created until well after the season was over. The sooner the excuses are all agreed upon, the happier the season will be.
Lol. I know I beat this drum too much around here. But one of the things that drives me absolutely crazy is the idea that reasons for our record are “excuses” … and then folks want to fire the coach with simple “he’s under .500” rhetoric.

If you want to hold the staff and players accountable you’d better start with an honest assessment of their performance. You have to look into the reasons, even if the “no excuses!!!!!” crowd want to label them as such.
 
Just FYI

I bought 45 tickets for the Ohio game. We got great seats on the 45 yard line. We have 43 reserved. I'm keeping 2 in reserve until August 1st for the current customers. Drop me a PM if you think you want to go. I can get you tickets o/a August 1st.
 
Can you elaborate on that comment? I thought Freeze was doing everything on the up and up and making the most of his second chance. He did not even entertain other offers to go to another program after his success last year. Maybe hiring him was Liberty selling their soul but it seems like Freeze has moved past his indiscretions and is trying to do it right.
Guilt by association perhaps? Liberty has had a bad run of hypocrisy the last couple of years
 
1999 we were ranked and got totally embarrassed like Maryland but also by a recruit they bought with $$$...finally it started the beginning to the end of the glory period started under Coach Mac.

We could spend hours or at least a couple beers arguing which sucked worse ;-)
That was one of the strangest sports day of my life. On the same day that my beloved Orange got annihilated and embarrassed by VaTech, my equally beloved Red Sox beat the ever-lovin' crap out of Roger Clemens and the Yankees in an ALCS game (which spawned one of my favorite Fenway chants of all-time, as the crowd roared "Where is Roger?" *clap-clap-clapclapclap* "In the shower! *clap-clap-clapclapclap*).

Talk about highs and lows.
 
Personally, I look forward to when you reply to yourself, especially when you ask a question.
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Usually happens between 2-5am always during a full moon and is often triggered by a high tide
 
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Can you elaborate on that comment? I thought Freeze was doing everything on the up and up and making the most of his second chance. He did not even entertain other offers to go to another program after his success last year. Maybe hiring him was Liberty selling their soul but it seems like Freeze has moved past his indiscretions and is trying to do it right.
So the once burned twice shy prostitute monger is a choir boy now. Well la-ti-da.
Yeah all that pious onward Christian soldier malarkey he used to preach to his players about fidelity and morality while he's diddling strippers, lying about it and breaking his matrimonial pledges given in the presence of a God he supposedly worships and respects.
You think he's changed his stripes or is just a guy resisting his carnal urges. Once a hypocrite always a hypocrite. Screw him and the angel wings he flew in on. His actions were egregious and unacknowledged till he was caught. He cared little for vows or probity with his recruits, players or the Ole Miss administration.
More here: New Football Coach At Jerry Falwell's Liberty University Loves Prostitutes

Disclaimer: I ain't no saint. I'm flawed, but I don't drag institutions, players and family into my deceptions (usually self-deceptions) and then play the God immunity card cause I'm so extrovertedly righteous. I'd like to be more charitable to my fellow man, and at some level I am, but this is bull (his lies, his LU hiring, his Miss. firing, his throwing respected coach Houston Nutt under the bus) and deserves to be called as such. Why should he get a 2nd chance when there are other qualified pious coaches abounding? Why? Because he beat Alabama twice.

We now bring you back to the Frank Solich thread already in progress.

Oh yeah and LGO
 
Lol. I know I beat this drum too much around here. But one of the things that drives me absolutely crazy is the idea that reasons for our record are “excuses” … and then folks want to fire the coach with simple “he’s under .500” rhetoric.

If you want to hold the staff and players accountable you’d better start with an honest assessment of their performance. You have to look into the reasons, even if the “no excuses!!!!!” crowd want to label them as such.

Every coach whose program struggles can look at "reasons". Every single one. In most cases, reasons and excuses are used interchangeably. As an aside, coaches who are consistently under .500 are fired every day. Having a winning program is part of the expectations for a highly-paid coach at the P5 level. Doing so in a conference where the new commissioner has stated a desire for an improved football presence will be even more important.

That aside, let's look at the "reasons" for our 1-win season, and let's keep in mind that it was only the second one-win season in the past 70+ years (the other being accomplished by the Honorable Gregory Robinson). And by the way, this isn't aimed at you. Lots of people use these "reasons":

1. It was a COVID year! Well, OK, that "reason" would be valid if the entire pandemic were confined to a geographic area bounded by Genesee St and Skytop but it wasn't. It was a global pandemic. It was in all the newspapers. We had to get vaccinated. EVERY program had to deal with it. The programs who had solid years didn't minimize their achievement because of Covid. You know who else had to deal with Covid? Every one of the 10 teams who beat us. Besides, we all bragged about how none of our players actually GOT Covid. It was not like the hoops side where several players got sick and we had to cancel practice during quarantine in-season.

2. We had new coordinators! Here is the problem with that excuse. There would be validity if their predecessors had left for other jobs. That's not what happened. We had to fire both OC and DC in the same year. That is NEVER the sign of a healthy program and it reflects directly upon the guy who hired those two most important cogs in the first place. Yes, we lost Spring training that would have helped familiarize the players with the systems but we never would have been in that situation in the first place had Dino made the right hires previously. I don't let him off the hook very much for the "new coordinators" "reason". It is kind of like the kid who waits until the last second to do his homework and then doesn't feel well. Yeah, he has a reason but it is a problem he sort of got himself into.

3. We had injuries. Now, that is a reason I agree with and can get behind. However, the injuries really highlighted the lack of quality depth in the program in the fifth year. It is a dual edged sword and it does fall to the staff as to why the quality depth was not there. Or at least enough quality depth to avoid an historically bad final record.

At the end of the day, a one-off trainwreck of a season can be excused if the rest of the tenure had been successful. However, the "reasons" for four losing seasons in five years start to sound a lot like excuses.

Still, it's all irrelevant in the short term. Last year (and the reasons/excuses) is behind us, Dino is still here, he has shown that he CAN win big at least once, so now we have to move on and hope that the tweaks/recruits and whatever else is being done can get us back to a season that we can all agree on as successful. We all want that, we are all Orange, we all support the team, and we all want a winning SU regardless of how we individually view the reasons/excuses for our inability to have done that on a consistent basis during the Babers tenure. Let's start to turn it all around vs. Ohio!
 
That was one of the strangest sports day of my life. On the same day that my beloved Orange got annihilated and embarrassed by VaTech, my equally beloved Red Sox beat the ever-lovin' crap out of Roger Clemens and the Yankees in an ALCS game (which spawned one of my favorite Fenway chants of all-time, as the crowd roared "Where is Roger?" *clap-clap-clapclapclap* "In the shower! *clap-clap-clapclapclap*).

Talk about highs and lows.

For some of us, it was just a bad (75-1) day all around. One of those days (there are many) when I’m thankful that alcohol was invented.
 
So the once burned twice shy prostitute monger is a choir boy now. Well la-ti-da.
Yeah all that pious onward Christian soldier malarkey he used to preach to his players about fidelity and morality while he's diddling strippers, lying about it and breaking his matrimonial pledges given in the presence of a God he supposedly worships and respects.
You think he's changed his stripes or is just a guy resisting his carnal urges. Once a hypocrite always a hypocrite. Screw him and the angel wings he flew in on. His actions were egregious and unacknowledged till he was caught. He cared little for vows or probity with his recruits, players or the Ole Miss administration.
More here: New Football Coach At Jerry Falwell's Liberty University Loves Prostitutes

Disclaimer: I ain't no saint. I'm flawed, but I don't drag institutions, players and family into my deceptions (usually self-deceptions) and then play the God immunity card cause I'm so extrovertedly righteous. I'd like to be more charitable to my fellow man, and at some level I am, but this is bull (his lies, his LU hiring, his Miss. firing, his throwing respected coach Houston Nutt under the bus) and deserves to be called as such. Why should he get a 2nd chance when there are other qualified pious coaches abounding? Why? Because he beat Alabama twice.

We now bring you back to the Frank Solich thread already in progress.

Oh yeah and LGO
Fair enough
 
Can you elaborate on that comment? I thought Freeze was doing everything on the up and up and making the most of his second chance. He did not even entertain other offers to go to another program after his success last year. Maybe hiring him was Liberty selling their soul but it seems like Freeze has moved past his indiscretions and is trying to do it right.

So the once burned twice shy prostitute monger is a choir boy now. Well la-ti-da.
Yeah all that pious onward Christian soldier malarkey he used to preach to his players about fidelity and morality while he's diddling strippers, lying about it and breaking his matrimonial pledges given in the presence of a God he supposedly worships and respects.
You think he's changed his stripes or is just a guy resisting his carnal urges. Once a hypocrite always a hypocrite. Screw him and the angel wings he flew in on. His actions were egregious and unacknowledged till he was caught. He cared little for vows or probity with his recruits, players or the Ole Miss administration.
More here: New Football Coach At Jerry Falwell's Liberty University Loves Prostitutes

Disclaimer: I ain't no saint. I'm flawed, but I don't drag institutions, players and family into my deceptions (usually self-deceptions) and then play the God immunity card cause I'm so extrovertedly righteous. I'd like to be more charitable to my fellow man, and at some level I am, but this is bull (his lies, his LU hiring, his Miss. firing, his throwing respected coach Houston Nutt under the bus) and deserves to be called as such. Why should he get a 2nd chance when there are other qualified pious coaches abounding? Why? Because he beat Alabama twice.

We now bring you back to the Frank Solich thread already in progress.

Oh yeah and LGO
Wow! And I was just referencing how he's building the program on transfers to an unsustainable extent (until 2020 hit).
 
The coach taking over is no slouch

Multiple coach of the year awards

Won a natty as a head coach at the NAIA level
 
VT 1999 sez hold my beer

But yeah IMHO definitely the top 5 since 1981

For me it'll be Pasqualoni's first losses to Temple and Rutgers (which were both the same season, IIRC).
 
It's important to establish the excuses early. In recent years we have had to wait until well into the season for the full compliment to be established. Several were not created until well after the season was over. The sooner the excuses are all agreed upon, the happier the season will be.

Speaking of excuses, I don't know if people recall, but the players were all spooked because of COVID testing protocols, and the fact that they were different in different states (teams from which we would be playing). I seem to recall reading crumbs through the ongoing media blackouts that they players "went on strike" a couple times that preseason for more information about testing before several of them wound up sitting out or walking away.

To me, that indicated a trust issue with the staff. Injuries happen, but you don't become that kind of awful so quickly without off field issues. So when I say that I hope the culture of losing hasn't become ingrained, this is part of what I'm talking about. The players have to trust the staff and want to play for them.
 
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