Onside kick

[skurey]

Completely fine with it. Gives us a chance at getting the ball. Defense has to make a stop no matter what.

 

[Briancuse]

Its stupid, plenty of time, still have two timeouts, kick it deep.

 

[McNabb2Brominski]

agreed, but LSU was already set up expecting it.

 

[cuse309]

Its stupid, plenty of time, still have two timeouts, kick it deep.

it was dumb. LSU recovers, and all they need is about 30 yds to kick a FG to make it 31-26, meaning, If we had kicked off, and stopped them, all we would need is a fg to win. Dumb.

 

[Briancuse]

it was dumb. LSU recovers, and all they need is about 30 yds to kick a FG to make it 31-26, meaning, If we had kicked off, and stopped them, all we would need is a fg to win. Dumb.

Plus the play calling changes dramatically when your backed up, they would have been a lot more conservative.

 

[skurey]

it was dumb. LSU recovers, and all they need is about 30 yds to kick a FG to make it 31-26, meaning, If we had kicked off, and stopped them, all we would need is a fg to win. Dumb.

In your scenario you assume we stop them on D by kicking deep but give up yardage when not. Why?

 

[skurey]

Plus the play calling changes dramatically when your backed up, they would have been a lot more conservative.

They ran the ball down our throat. Don't think field position changes that.

 

[longislandcuse]

Completely disagree.

LSU was shook.

Ball at the 25 is completely different than the ball around midfield in terms of nerves and mindset.

 

[cuse10]

Riley's dropped TD is much bigger than the onside kick, but I would have liked to see him kick it deep and let the defense earn a true shot to get them off the field. Deflating because Syracuse lost it more than LSU won.

 

[Orangello]

Dumb dumb dumb. You kick it deep every single time there. Field position is critical as you only need a FG to win.

 

[skurey]

How many yards does shookness account for?

 

[OburgOrange]

Dumb call

 

[skurey]

Dumb dumb dumb. You kick it deep every single time there. Field position is critical as you only need a FG to win.

We need the ball to score a field goal. Onside kick gives us a chance at the ball.

 

[Nick44]

It was idiotic. It was so bad that you couldn't even tell that it was an onside kick.

Typical Syracuse. Finds the cure for cancer but leaves it on the bus.

 

[omg_cuse_rules]

It would be fine with less than 3 minutes left perhaps

 

[kcsu]

Horrible call. D was playing lights out lost the game. We kick deep they turtle. We win. Lost momentum. Total cluster. Absolutely a horrible call. Guess what. Dino didnt call it. Yep he did not call it. Messed up sideline call.

 

[The Ack]

Appreciate the aggression but not warranted there. Shifts pressure from their offense to our defense. The way Dino lit into Lustig tells me he wished he could have that one back. Games don't come down to one play and we made too many other mistakes to chalk that loss up to a bad ST decision/execution. The fact i take no moral victory from that loss gives me hope.

 

[NineOneSeven]

In your scenario you assume we stop them on D by kicking deep but give up yardage when not. Why?

At minimum they have flipped field position when they gain the extra yards by failing onside kick. Yes it comes down to stops, but if you were to ask LSU if they would rather have the ball at the 20 or the 45, what do they answer with?

Part of this is the execution was so Poor, it makes the decision seem worse.

 

[Townie72]

Exactly, Skurey.

Although it's a low probability thing, if you do pull it off, all you need is about 20 yards to get into field goal range.

What's the alternative and what's the probability of that?

If we kick it deep we have to keep LSU from driving the ball and come up with a stop. We weren't having too much success doing that. They had a bunch of running yards in the second half.

Then we have to drive the ball from deep in our territory after an LSU punt.

This ain't the pros and Dungey isn't Tom Brady.

Tho on-sides kick was pretty smart and could have easily led to a victory. It was at least as likely a as kicking deep.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Horrible call. D was playing lights out lost the game. We kick deep they turtle. We win. Lost momentum. Total cluster. Absolutely a horrible call. Guess what. Dino didnt call it. Yep he did not call it. Messed up sideline call.

Go on..

 

[CanadianSU]

One of the worst calls I've seen. I was sure Cuse was going to win that game till that.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

We kick it deep, and they get all the yards back in 1 big run.

 

[longislandcuse]

How many yards does shookness account for?

Mindset.

Did you not see Ed Orgeron's facial expressions. Did their QB not just throw a pick. If replaced, has Etling not been beaten up all game.

They knew that a mistake ends the game because we'd be in field goal position.

They knew they couldn't give us the ball back because their defense was shot.

Having their own end zone 25 yards behind them is dramatically different than 50 yards, both for their offense and our defense.

I know, you know, that sports are very much a mental game.

 

[PAcuse]

I think there was miscommunication on the final kick off, Dino was in Lustigs ear pretty animated after the failed onside kick.

 

[Cuseregular]

Ridiculously bad call. The games not all stats but rather there's nuance and circumstance to consider. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Dino.