OT: Catholics Splitting from NNBE?

[All4SU]

The ACC will never go for moving THEIR tournament north for every year. Even Atlanta is outside of their provincial view of the world. The MOST that MSG could get would be every third year -- 1 NC, 1 Atlanta, 1 MSG. And I don't think MSG would host an every third year tournament. So I'm not optimistic.

 

[Jeepers]

Other than the fact that there is one school in the area, one within a reasonable drive, and the others that ALL require air travel, not a crazy idea at all.

They bounce between Chicago and Indy for a reason. They are NEVER going to MSG.

And of course the ACC has NO tradition in the mid south, nope, nothing there.

Let's say Duke and UNC end up in the b10. You still don't see them at MSG? Come on. It's sure as hell more likely than playing it in NC.

 

[Cuseman78]

The ACC now has a similar set-up to the PAC 12 in that it basically spans a whole coast. The Washington or Oregon schools have no problem playing their conference tournament 20 hours away in LA (i think actually Vegas this year which was smart)? They realize that this isn't about locale, this is about media coverage etc. If the Pac12 was concerned about a central location, they'd be playing in Oakland/San Fran.

If the Big East does collapse and MSG bails on the BET, and the ACC brain trust has the opportunity to lock up playing the league tourney in NY, they need to jump on that. The ACC has the opportunity to re-invent itself and model itself after the PAC12 and be the east coast's conference. They should be looking to move away from being a Carolina based conference. The first major step in doing that would be to bring the ACC tourney to the East coast's premier media market, city and arena.

 

[xc84]

If MSG is available, the ACC needs to suck it up and have the tourney there. No alternating locations--NYC only. The tradition is already there and it's a waste of years of marketing to not just slap a new name on it.

Now, if you think there's no way the b10 moves in, just think about this. The b10 takes more eastern schools (whoever, from north carolina up to BC). They make Chicago the center for b10 football, and NYC the center for b10 basketball. Not a crazy idea at all.

No, not crazy but a drive from any decent B10 hoops school to NYC would be awful. I know people can fly but with the BE tournament, many drive...and that's part of it's success. Easy to get to for Syracuse, Nova, G-Town, St. Johns, Seton Hall, UConn, Providence. With the B10, which good basketball school has a decent drive?

 

[longtimefan]

The ACC now has a similar set-up to the PAC 12 in that it basically spans a whole coast. The Washington or Oregon schools have no problem playing their conference tournament 20 hours away in LA (i think actually Vegas this year which was smart)? They realize that this isn't about locale, this is about media coverage etc. If the Pac12 was concerned about a central location, they'd be playing in Oakland/San Fran.

If the Big East does collapse and MSG bails on the BET, and the ACC brain trust has the opportunity to lock up playing the league tourney in NY, they need to jump on that. The ACC has the opportunity to re-invent itself and model itself after the PAC12 and be the east coast's conference. They should be looking to move away from being a Carolina based conference. The first major step in doing that would be to bring the ACC tourney to the East coast's premier media market, city and arena.

It takes two to tango. I don't see MSG signing on for anything less than a 5-year run.

And the ACC will not go for that.

 

[Scooch]

I'd just like to mention that this hoops-centric thread is roughly 1,000,000X better than almost anything that ever gets posted on the hoops board.

 

[Chip]

I'd just like to mention that this hoops-centric thread is roughly 1,000,000X better than almost anything that ever gets posted on the hoops board.

I'd also like to point out that the name of this thread starts out with "OT". That helps make it great.

 

[All4SU]

Let's say Duke and UNC end up in the b10. You still don't see them at MSG? Come on. It's sure as hell more likely than playing it in NC.

Let's say USC and U of Cal San Obisbo end up in the B10, where would they have it? Duke and UNC are not going to the B1o.

 

[riskylogic]

There is no way in hell that the ACC tourney will ever be played in Indy.

It's a new world. Maryland is a B1G State. Indiana is an ACC state.

OK, maybe not. In any case, the ACC in Indy makes more sense than the B1G in NYC.

 

[Guinness]

This past years ACC tournament was in Atlanta...much much better than Greensboro.
My daughter and I caught Saturdays games, UNC beating NC State at the buzzer and FSU beating Dook...

Getting tix was a breeze, just walked up, $35 a piece...I hope they do more in Atlanta...good luck with the MSG idea but SU just joined a southern based conference

It needs to be either in Atlanta or Charlotte imo. Greensboro is simply to small and not a travel destination of any sort. Considering the ill will some schools have towards the Carolina 4 it might be worth it to permanently have it in Atlanta.

 

[HtownOrange]

It's a new world. Maryland is a B1G State. Indiana is an ACC state.

OK, maybe not. In any case, the ACC in Indy makes more sense than the B1G in NYC.

Maybe, but ND would not waste a moment's time on voting for Iny if NYC is available. Hoops is about media attention and you can't get much more media attention than NYC.

 

[riskylogic]

^^^^^
Four schools are in NC, plus VA, VT, and Clemson are daytrips. The geographic center of the ACC is somewhere in NC. Probably closer to Mayberry now though. So, every other year in NC seems reasonable to me. NYC and Atlanta are the obvious alternatives. But, Indy is starting to look good too .

 

[riskylogic]

Maybe, but ND would not waste a moment's time on voting for Iny if NYC is available. Hoops is about media attention and you can't get much more media attention than NYC.

Indiana is a basketball state, and you can count those on three fingers.

ETA: Louisville is more of an Indiana school than ND.

 

[Jeepers]

Let's say USC and U of Cal San Obisbo end up in the B10, where would they have it? Duke and UNC are not going to the B1o.

You know that the b10 is planning to open an east coast office, right? They aren't going to do that for just RU/Maryland/PSU. They'll expand again.

 

[Cuseman78]

^^^^^
Four schools are in NC, plus VA, VT, and Clemson are daytrips. The geographic center of the ACC is somewhere in NC. Probably closer to Mayberry now though. So, every other year in NC seems reasonable to me. NYC and Atlanta are the obvious alternatives. But, Indy is starting to look good too .

Again, what does geographic center have to do with anything? See: PAC12 Tourney.

 

[riskylogic]

You know that the b10 is planning to open an east coast office, right? They aren't going to do that for just RU/Maryland/PSU. They'll expand again.

UConn quite possibly. Syracuse outside chance. The rest of it is cable subscription BS.

 

[riskylogic]

Again, what does geographic center have to do with anything? See: PAC12 Tourney.

Driving instead of flying.

 

[kingottoiii]

It needs to be either in Atlanta or Charlotte imo. Greensboro is simply to small and not a travel destination of any sort. Considering the ill will some schools have towards the Carolina 4 it might be worth it to permanently have it in Atlanta.

Atlanta is such an SEC city to me. DC is likely the best compromise for all. It is a big enough market to take notice. Easy for all to get to.

 

[Cuseman78]

Driving instead of flying.

Doesn't seem to be an issue on the Left Coast. They hold the tourney in their coast's major cities (LA, this year Vegas), not in the geographic center. If the ACC wants to be looked upon as the East coast's conference, you play it in the east coast's premier city. If the Big East implodes and the Garden suddenly has the 2nd week of March tourney-free, the ACC sure as hell better jump on that. Not to mention that many of the ACC schools have major alumni bases in NY.

 

[riskylogic]

Doesn't seem to be an issue on the Left Coast. They hold the tourney in their coast's major cities (LA, this year Vegas), not in the geographic center. If the ACC wants to be looked upon as the East coast's conference, you play it in the east coast's premier city. If the Big East implodes and the Garden suddenly has the 2nd week of March tourney-free, the ACC sure as hell better jump on that. Not to mention that many of the ACC schools have major alumni bases in NY.

On the left coast, they have to fly. Poor bastards. I'm in [the] DC [area, cough MD], and NYC is an easy train ride. So bring me MSG, please. Not every year though.

 

[Guinness]

Atlanta is such an SEC city to me. DC is likely the best compromise for all. It is a big enough market to take notice. Easy for all to get to.

The southern schools are not going to be happy with DC as they see it as a northern town. If you want the quintessential ACC city then Charlotte is the choice.

 

[Guinness]

Doesn't seem to be an issue on the Left Coast. They hold the tourney in their coast's major cities (LA, this year Vegas), not in the geographic center. If the ACC wants to be looked upon as the East coast's conference, you play it in the east coast's premier city. If the Big East implodes and the Garden suddenly has the 2nd week of March tourney-free, the ACC sure as hell better jump on that. Not to mention that many of the ACC schools have major alumni bases in NY.

You are failing to see that for the majority of ACC members they are a southern league and not an eastern league. The PAC doesn't have any of those issues because they all see themselves the same way for the most part.

 

[riskylogic]

Atlanta is such an SEC city to me. DC is likely the best compromise for all. It is a big enough market to take notice. Easy for all to get to.

Maryland has left the building. DC is the compromise that sucks for everyone. Cleveland would be better, FGS. Or Buffalo. Or Rochester. Or Montreal. Or Alaska [see Gary Williams, Alaska].

Unless the ND + the Navy/GTown hybrid works out.

 

[riskylogic]

You are failing to see that for the majority of ACC members they are a southern league and not an eastern league. The PAC doesn't have any of those issues because they all see themselves the same way for the most part.

Just about everyone understands that the assimilation of the BE into the ACC has transformed it into an eastern league. More Atlantic than ever.

 

[Scooch]

You are failing to see that for the majority of ACC members they are a southern league and not an eastern league. The PAC doesn't have any of those issues because they all see themselves the same way for the most part.

It's a slim majority, though. Of the 15 members schools almost half (7) don't have ties to the league's 1950s southern roots (SU, BC, Pitt, ND, VaTech, Miami, Louisville).

Plus given the disdain schools like GaTech & Clemson may have towards the "Carolina mafia" perception, I suspect they'd be good with having tourneys outside of Greensboro more often.