OT: LOL @ Cowboys

[DoctorBombay]

I'm a Giants fan and loathe the Cowboys as well. But we should be careful of throwing stones at Dez. As the year went on, it became obvious we are going to be dealing with a similar on field guy in Beckham. Guy has a lot of talent, but his on field antics were getting a little crazy at the end of the season.

Dez Bryant deserves every stone that gets tossed his way. Any human being that would attack his own mother is a detestable POS and I wish nothing but ill towards him.
Odell Beckham can be a hot head,but so far its been on the field, and hopefully will improve his behavior as he gets older w/ more experience. In any case , Bryant is in another league when it comes to overall douche-baggery.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ed-on-domestic-violence-chrage/1#.VLP0k2d0zIU
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/17/dez-bryant-police-report-911-mother-bra/

 

[BuffOrange]

I'm no lover of the Cowboys but that's a catch. He possesses the ball and lunges for the endzone = football move. Refs often get this wrong so I'm not surprised.

+1. "Rule is a rule" folks come across to me as shield apologists. Lets face it the sport is flawed. OLmen pushing their RBs is illegal but never called. I guess a rule isn't a rule in that case. Did the Tuck rule specify how much time needs to elapse between the completion of pump fake and fumble - like can a QB pump fake at the snap, drop back, scramble around and not fumble? Holding & illegal contact are so arbitrary...
If it were black&white, refs wouldn't disagree with the Mike Carey's of the world 45% of the time.
All the minutia is so nauseating.
3 steps and a reach is a catch.

But also, the 'Boys defense couldn't get off the field vs a conservative GB offense so I see no reason to believe they would've been able to protect a 1-3pt lead.

 

[upperdeck]

This sums up my feelings nicely.

It was a spectacular play, but by letter of the rule, it had to be overturned. And that makes it a very, very dumb rule.

Also, the Cowboys.

I would agree with that.. by rule no catch.. by common thought i think most would agree he caught it, made a move, dove out and the ground caused a fumble..

 

[jekelish]

I would agree with that.. by rule no catch.. by common thought i think most would agree he caught it, made a move, dove out and the ground caused a fumble..

I actually don't think he made a move...it looked to me like any "move" was a combination of gravity and the general physics of his momentum. I don't think he consciously tried to make any real move, at least not overtly.

 

[SU2NASA]

The only thing that's karma about it is that the NFL now has a more attractive Packers-Seahawks rematch. The NFL got what it wanted with a Cowboys-Packers 'Ice Bowl 2', the league's priorities just changed and the Cowboys found themselves on the other end.

Just wait for that Packers-Patriots "rematch". Book it.

 

[Millhouse]

If you catch the ball on the sideline, get two feet down and stay standing, it is a catch. If however you catch a ball on the sideline, get two feet down and then fall out of bounds, you need to maintain possession in order for it to be complete. If you fall out of bounds and after you hit the ground the ball comes out, it is incomplete, just like it was for Dez yesterday. FWIW, I am a Cowboys fan.

they would've called that a catch on the sideline

 

[Millhouse]

I actually don't think he made a move...it looked to me like any "move" was a combination of gravity and the general physics of his momentum. I don't think he consciously tried to make any real move, at least not overtly.

we think "catch" is too subjective so we make it more specific with "common football move" which is more subjective.

 

[dasher]

The only thing that's karma about it is that the NFL now has a more attractive Packers-Seahawks rematch. The NFL got what it wanted with a Cowboys-Packers 'Ice Bowl 2', the league's priorities just changed and the Cowboys found themselves on the other end.

Just wait for that Packers-Patriots "rematch". Book it.

you think the games are "fixed"? Why would a league on top of the world do that? What NFL marketing wants has nothing to do with the games. Now the NBA...

 

[BomberOrange]

Cowboy fans sure sounded different last week when a call went their way.

not at all. Dallas had many chance to win this game, one call didn't make or break it just like last week. Saying "Karma bitches" is idiotic.

Oh, and the right call was made. Dumb rule, right call.

 

[SU2NASA]

you think the games are "fixed"? Why would a league on top of the world do that? What NFL marketing wants has nothing to do with the games. Now the NBA...

What's more likely - a business with billions of dollars at stake, with 10s of millions on individual playoff games, sits back and let whatever happens happen, or that they would try to influence games to have a financially beneficial outcome?

I wouldn't call them outright fixed, but it isn't hard to try and push a game toward an outcome. It's not just calls made, it's calls not made that can dictate the entire way a game is played (not calling holding so letting an offensive line play more aggressive), and think how many big plays are called back because of holding calls, or how many drives are extended and into scoring territory because of a key pass interference of holding call.

It really doesn't take much.

 

[upperdeck]

we think "catch" is too subjective so we make it more specific with "common football move" which is more subjective.

I know i have seen that same play in the sideline not get reviewed many times. i dont know if i have seen it reviewed and not called that way.. though they seemed to rule differently on the denver/colts punt play.

 

[TheCusian]

He he had complete control of the ball. Made a fantastic catch and then tried to extend in to the endzone You can't cradle the ball if you didn't posess it.

Caught the ball falling down; fell down; ball moves as it hits.

Refs got it right.

 

[TheCusian]

if you catch the ball at the sideline with two feet down, they give credit for the catch if you catch in bounds, you have to get three feet down, a knee, an elbow, and you need to sit down crosslegged with the ball elevated over your head if you only need two feet and control at the sideline, that's how it should be in the field no one knows what "complete the play means"

If the player gets two feet down as he is falling out of bounds, hits the ground and ball comes loose - it's not a catch. That's why they watch them all the way to the ground.

 

[TheCusian]

100%. I loathe the Cowboys and temper tantrum Dez. As a NYG fan, I took great pleasure in knowing the Cowboys continue to be irrelevant in the postseason.

This Eagles fan cosigns.

 

[TheCusian]

they would've called that a catch on the sideline

Nope. Depends on how vertical you are when you catch the ball. If you dive for a ball you have to have control on the ground - out of bounds or not.

 

[SU2NASA]

If the player gets two feet down as he is falling out of bounds, hits the ground and ball comes loose - it's not a catch. That's why they watch them all the way to the ground.

Would have been a catch if it was Randall Cobb.

 

[Orangepace]

Dez Bryant deserves every stone that gets tossed his way. Any human being that would attack his own mother is a detestable POS and I wish nothing but ill towards him.
Odell Beckham can be a hot head,but so far its been on the field, and hopefully will improve his behavior as he gets older w/ more experience. In any case , Bryant is in another league when it comes to overall douche-baggery.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ed-on-domestic-violence-chrage/1#.VLP0k2d0zIU
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/17/dez-bryant-police-report-911-mother-bra/

No doubt the guy has issues. That's why I left my discussion to be on that of his on-field antics.

All that said, I think he's actually taken some serious steps off the field to improve/mature as a person. The guy didn't exactly grow up the same way I did and I'd bet not the same as you either. If I remember correctly, his mom was earning a living on the corner.

 

[Briancuse]

100%. I loathe the Cowboys and temper tantrum Dez.

As a NYG fan, I took great pleasure in knowing the Cowboys continue to be irrelevant in the postseason.

Irrelevant? They won a playoff game, and lost a hard fought game to a good team on the road.

 

[Rocco]

Irrelevant? They won a playoff game, and lost a hard fought game to a good team on the road.

They won a game that they should've lost. They're still irrelevant.

 

[Briancuse]

They won a game that they should've lost. They're still irrelevant.

How should they have lost that game?

 

[Orangezoo]

The hate for Dallas cracks me up but admittedly there are too many dopey bandwagon fans.. Jerry Jones etc. As the rule is written for the CJ rule the call makes no sense. Part of the ball touched the ground and it came loose as he had rolled over. But the rule specifically states its incomplete if the ball touches the ground again. Thus in this case it did not. In addition he had control going to the ground and had the front of his hand under the ball so its not as though he "trapped" the ball to help him catch it. If he had been out of bounds when the ball came loose it is not a catch.

Even more than the fact the rule doesn't match the call is the fact that all year the officials have been calling it as it was on the field unless there is zero doubt. So outside of trying to fit the rule to the call vs the opposite it makes no sense beyond an effort to undo last week's debacle.

As a cowboys fan talking to a bunch of rival fans its like the far right vs the far left I realize that. Objectively speaking the Cowboys beat the lions fair and square. The Lions squandered their lead and failed to put Dallas away. All the same the Packers beat the cowboys fair and square. Dallas failed to jump on a Cobbs fumble, Peppers stole a TD run with a good defensive play and Rodgers had an incredible drive throwing the whole arsenal at Dallas to get the lead. If Bryant's play is called correctly Green Bay still has a ton of time with a maximum field goal deficit to tie or win it which looked likely given how good Rodgers was playing in the 4th. Dallas is not irrelevant fellas no matter how much your star hating lenses want them to be. Solid line, good qb and improving defense. If not for the head to head tiebreaker falling behind NFC record Dallas would have been playing at home in this past game anyways. So as a Cowboys fan it is fun to relish in the hatred and have something to cheer about for the first time in 20 years.

 

[ImperialOrange]

If he had simply pulled it in and fallen on his back its a catch, instead of trying to make the Superman play to enhance his chances of getting the big contract extension. Skeletor Jones will still over pay him at the end of the day after he holds out.

I said the same thing. He should've tucked the ball in his gut with both hands and watched Demarco run it in for a TD the next play. I thought initially he was reaching for the goal line but looks more like the took his one hand off the ball, while still not in firm control, to brace his fall.

 

[Briancuse]

The hate for Dallas cracks me up but admittedly there are too many dopey bandwagon fans.. Jerry Jones etc. As the rule is written for the CJ rule the call makes no sense. Part of the ball touched the ground and it came loose as he had rolled over. But the rule specifically states its incomplete if the ball touches the ground again. Thus in this case it did not. In addition he had control going to the ground and had the front of his hand under the ball so its not as though he "trapped" the ball to help him catch it. If he had been out of bounds when the ball came loose it is not a catch.

Even more than the fact the rule doesn't match the call is the fact that all year the officials have been calling it as it was on the field unless there is zero doubt. So outside of trying to fit the rule to the call vs the opposite it makes no sense beyond an effort to undo last week's debacle.

As a cowboys fan talking to a bunch of rival fans its like the far right vs the far left I realize that. Objectively speaking the Cowboys beat the lions fair and square. The Lions squandered their lead and failed to put Dallas away. All the same the Packers beat the cowboys fair and square. Dallas failed to jump on a Cobbs fumble, Peppers stole a TD run with a good defensive play and Rodgers had an incredible drive throwing the whole arsenal at Dallas to get the lead. If Bryant's play is called correctly Green Bay still has a ton of time with a maximum field goal deficit to tie or win it which looked likely given how good Rodgers was playing in the 4th. Dallas is not irrelevant fellas no matter how much your star hating lenses want them to be. Solid line, good qb and improving defense. If not for the head to head tiebreaker falling behind NFC record Dallas would have been playing at home in this past game anyways. So as a Cowboys fan it is fun to relish in the hatred and have something to cheer about for the first time in 20 years.

I hate to break it to the Cowboys hates, but they have been finally built the right way, we are going to be good for the next few years.

 

[Rocco]

How should they have lost that game?

Worst officiating call of the year. Even the NFL said it was the wrong call. The Lions got screwed.

 

[Briancuse]

Worst officiating call of the year. Even the NFL said it was the wrong call. The Lions got screwed.

There was 8 minutes to go in game when the call was made, and the thing that no one even brings up, is that Suh never should have played in that game.