Our recruiting against peers

[CousCuse]

least stable only to those of you who hear voices in their heads.

I mean least stable as in most likely to be made a HUGE offer by a factory. Let's see 3 million versus 7 million.

 

[donniesyracuse]

How many programs can claim that their head coaches won’t move-on after having significant success?

 

[RandomGuy]

Without a doubt, coaching staff stability is at the top of the list for recruits. And that's why if Dino were to leave, I think they should make Macky the head coach and give him all the support possible. He is a capable and intelligent person with a lot of coaching experience and background and he will never leave. Like Fitz at Northwestern.

You don't know the conversations the staff has with players. Kids also know that programs constantly change staffs. No kid wants to commit to a staff that leaves before signing day. After that? They're aware of how it can go- anywhere.

If a kid sees a recent extension, then maybe that plays in. What does Babers have left, 2 years?

 

[CousCuse]

How many programs can claim that their head coaches won’t move-on after having significant success?

I don't think Fitzgerald will leave Northwestern, at least for a long time.

 

[kcsu]

least stable only to those of you who hear voices in their heads.

Dino is doing fine. Most of our commits are camp offers. Also this staff is very stealth. Very little good info on who they are pursuing. We will be fine. Plan on 18 kids.

 

[SmilinBob]

You don't know the conversations the staff has with players. Kids also know that programs constantly change staffs. No kid wants to commit to a staff that leaves before signing day. After that? They're aware of how it can go- anywhere.

If a kid sees a recent extension, then maybe that plays in. What does Babers have left, 2 years?

Is it possible a kid could add that addendum to his NLI? I am going to U of U but if the HC leaves this document is no longer valid?

 

[donniesyracuse]

I don't think Fitzgerald will leave Northwestern, at least for a long time.

That’s one

 

[CousCuse]

That’s one

Hopefully, Dino won't leave, but if he does then what? It really isn't a resolved issue at this point. You really want to go with somebody in his coaching tree that won't be looking at Syracuse as a layover to a better place.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Hopefully, Dino won't leave, but if he does then what? It really isn't a resolved issue at this point. You really want to go with somebody in his coaching tree that won't be looking at Syracuse as a layover to a better place.

Someone suggested that uncertainty about Babers’ long term status is adversely impacting recruiting. My point is that few programs can claim certainty over their head coaches’ futures.

 

[kcsu]

Someone suggested that uncertainty about Babers’ long term status is adversely impacting recruiting. My point is that few programs can claim certainty over their head coaches’ futures.

He has 3 more years on his existing deal. Losing Lewis has hurt. The family member from TX is by all accounts a good coach but lets face it landing kids from TX is a stretch.

 

[PhatOrange]

This is the list to date. Do your own research and make your own conclusions. There’s some developmental players on it for sure. There’s also some kids who earned offers at camp and others who have potential to be early impact players like a Cisco, Trill and Taj Harris. In today's day and age this is a program that will never have top end talent, it’s a program that needs to be solid 1-85 and it’s getting there.

My own opinion there's a couple of kids like Rondi, Red and Benson who Coach P made a living on.

Courtney Jackson- WR 5-11 160
Gateway HS, Monroeville, PA
Major (6)- SU, WVU, BC, Kentucky, Northwestern, Baylor
Mid Major - Akron, Army, BGSU, Buffalo, CMU, ECU, Memphis, Temple, Toledo

Joe Rondi- DT 6-4 265
Wayne Hills HS, Wayne, NJ
Major (2)- SU, Rutgers
Mid Major (4) Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kent St, Temple

Anthony Red- OT 6-5 285 - CAMP OFFER
St. Thomas More HS, Oakdale, CT
Major (1) SU
Mid Major (3) Buffalo, Temple, UMass

Geoffrey Cantin-Arku -LB 6-4 220 - CAMP OFFER - #1 Rated player in Canada
Cegep Garneau, Quebec, Canada
Major (1) SU

Adrian Cole-CB 5-11 165
Plantation HS, Plantation, FL
Major (5) SU, Kansas, Kansas St, Pitt, Duke
Mid Major (6) BGSU, Buffalo, FAU, Marshall, USF, Toledo

Luke Benson -TE – 6-4 218 - CAMP OFFER (has run a sub 11 – 100m dash verified track times)
Central Bucks West HS, Doylestown, PA
Major (1) SU
Mid Major (2) Army, Temple
(8) Brown, Bucknell, Colgate, Columbia, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Matthew K. Bergeron- OT 6-5 280 - CAMP OFFER - #4 rated player in Canada
Cegep De Thetford, Quebec, Canada
Major (1) SU
Mid Major (1) Buffalo

Dorian Hewett - S 6-170 – CAMP OFFER (ran a sub 4.5)
North Shore HS, Houston, TX
Major (1) Syracuse

Garrett Williams - CB 6-0 170
Hickory Ridge HS, Harrisburg, NC
Major (3) Syracuse, Maryland, West Virginia
Mid Major (4) Air Force, Army, ECU, App St

Ishmael Goulbourne – LB/DE 6-4 200
Dwyer HS, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
Major (1) Syracuse
Mid Major (4) Buffalo, Cincinnati, Tulane, WMU

Nazir Burnett - WR 6-1 170 (will be in the running for PA POY)
Bishop McDevitt HS, Harrisburg, PA
Major (6) Syracuse, BC, Michigan St, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU
Mid Major (9) Air Force, Army, Buffalo, BGSU, Cincinnati, Rice, Temple, Toledo, WMU

 

[CousCuse]

Someone suggested that uncertainty about Babers’ long term status is adversely impacting recruiting. My point is that few programs can claim certainty over their head coaches’ futures.

There are quite a number of coaches who are not looking to leave their current team and situation. It has something to do with pay, location and the ability to compete for recruits and for championships. Syracuse isn't in a sweet spot for a lot of those considerations, but getting the best possible coach who will stay over a long term would be the best result.

 

[NKR1978]

How many programs can claim that their head coaches won’t move-on after having significant success?

Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State. Maybe USC and Texas? That’s it.

 

[djorange1989]

recruits need evidence, not belief without evidence at this point. Win and they will come. In the meantime, not too worried about this class, we added a lot of very good players late in the last cycle, we go bowling we will do the same this year.

 

[SmilinBob]

Lewis leaving in year 2 for a HC position surprised me, was hoping for 3 years minimum with the staff in tact and yes, it did hurt a bit. I know they'll be fine and if this staff remains relatively solid this off season, SU will be in very good shape.

 

[PhatOrange]

I mean least stable as in most likely to be made a HUGE offer by a factory. Let's see 3 million versus 7 million.

There's like 3 coaches who make that much. 10 who make over 5.

 

[CousCuse]

Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State. Maybe USC and Texas? That’s it.

Franklin won't be leaving PSU and Patterson won't be leaving TCU, just to name 2. The point is here is that there is an under current that Babers is a hot commodity. I don't hear about a lot of other P5 coaches who are being talked about to jump to another program. I'm sure some are, but I haven't heard.

 

[donniesyracuse]

There are quite a number of coaches who are not looking to leave their current team and situation.

Add to this list:

Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State. Maybe USC and Texas? That’s it.

 

[CousCuse]

There's like 3 coaches who make that much. 10 who make over 5.

How much did Charlie Strong get to go to Texas or Sumlin get to go to A&M? He is winning against Clemson in Syracuse. If I was a big money AD, I'd show him the money.

 

[PhatOrange]

How much did Charlie Strong get to go to Texas or Sumlin get to go to A&M? He is winning against Clemson in Syracuse. If I was a big money AD, I'd show him the money.

well thankfully you're not our AD because you want to hire one of the least qualified candidates you could possibly come up with to coach our team.

 

[CousCuse]

well thankfully you're not our AD because you want to hire one of the least qualified candidates you could possibly come up with to coach our team.

The only other candidate we have, in the family, is Sean Lewis. Anybody else coming in will cause a transition upheaval. Is that is what you want, again?

 

[storange]

I count them as part of last year's haul.

Prior to this year, Dino's ability to pilfer the transfer and JUCO ranks is what gave me hope that such success would trickle down to the traditional high school market... but it just hasn't materialized yet. I don't care about star ratings either, but generally the ratings will be respectable if they have multiple P5 offers. Dino has a magnetic personality and has an easy sales pitch for his offense. Something is amiss. Rumors will start floating if he can't get this class turned around. Remember Hop's last year before Washington called?

To those who think we can't land top 25 classes -- PP managed to do this in the 90s. It's not unprecedented to get there and it's more attainable than some think.

But there on the depth chart for the coming season. Thats one less RB and WR that he will recruit. Im feeling pretty good about next year and the year after, so maybe the October recruiting rankings aren't that big a
deal. I am sure there is a big gap between our list and Bama. When the dust clears I doubt there is much difference between 7 and 14 on the ACC list.

 

[orangepassion]

Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State. Maybe USC and Texas? That’s it.

Of those 5, there have been rumors of 3 of those being on the Hot seat in the past year and the 4th was also under some heat early this year.

 

[orangepassion]

The only other candidate we have, in the family, is Sean Lewis. Anybody else coming in will cause a transition upheaval. Is that is what you want, again?

I can't believe I'm still playing along... but even if we would say Macpherson is qualified for the job, you don't think there would be a "transition upheaval" if he came? Who do you think be would be on his staff? Do you think the current staff would stay with him instead of with Babers (not that I think Babers is going anywhere so fast). You think top assistants are running here to coach under such an unproven commodity? You can't focus on who's going to stay forever as your #1 priority for hiring. You hire the best coach you can get, even if he has a different system.

 

[storange]

Franklin won't be leaving PSU and Patterson won't be leaving TCU, just to name 2. The point is here is that there is an under current that Babers is a hot commodity. I don't hear about a lot of other P5 coaches who are being talked about to jump to another program. I'm sure some are, but I haven't heard.

specifically, where have you heard anything about Babers leaving?