Our recruiting against peers

[CousCuse]

I can't believe I'm still playing along, but even if Macpherson was qualified, you don't think there would be a "transition upheaval" if he came? Who do you think be would be on his staff? You think top assistants are running here to coach under such an unproven commodity?

They can pay them to stay if they weren't paying a huge head coaches salary. Some guys would come back from Kent State. I'm only saying this because the AD and Dino are frequently asked about this and the answer is always a qualified maybe.

 

[CousCuse]

specifically, where have you heard anything about Babers leaving?

Wildhack was asked about it the other day and he gave a nice political response.

 

[storange]

Wildhack was asked about it the other day and he gave a nice political response.

Exactly what anyone would do.

 

[blizz]

The loss in successive years of Asil Mulbah and Dave Boller have been big hits to recruiting that are constantly overlooked. Having the resources to independently evaluate prospects and establish and manage relationships with recruits and coaches is crucial. I have no idea what the financial commitment is, but given the length of time these positions have gone unfilled (I know Kramer Cook was promoted) and the fact that there are only a handful of recruiting related positions on staff is telling.
I have heard that the AD has taken steps that focus more attention on fundraising to support recruiting, which is great and badly needed.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

He played and was coached by Marrone and Hacket. He coached under Skipp Holtz. He has coach under Dino and in his system on offense for 3 tears now. He had endless discussions with Mac about football. He was an honors student at SU. He knows many coaches in the Babers tree and will keep the offense in place.

I am sure he ran his own leamonade stand as a kid too. Come on man!! Let Macky build his resume for another 5 years or so before we start talking HC material. This is just crazy

 

[IthacaBarrel]

This is the list to date. Do your own research and make your own conclusions. There’s some developmental players on it for sure. There’s also some kids who earned offers at camp and others who have potential to be early impact players like a Cisco, Trill and Taj Harris. In today's day and age this is a program that will never have top end talent, it’s a program that needs to be solid 1-85 and it’s getting there.

My own opinion there's a couple of kids like Rondi, Red and Benson who Coach P made a living on.

Courtney Jackson- WR 5-11 160
Gateway HS, Monroeville, PA
Major (6)- SU, WVU, BC, Kentucky, Northwestern, Baylor
Mid Major - Akron, Army, BGSU, Buffalo, CMU, ECU, Memphis, Temple, Toledo

Joe Rondi- DT 6-4 265
Wayne Hills HS, Wayne, NJ
Major (2)- SU, Rutgers
Mid Major (4) Buffalo, Cincinnati, Kent St, Temple

Anthony Red- OT 6-5 285 - CAMP OFFER
St. Thomas More HS, Oakdale, CT
Major (1) SU
Mid Major (3) Buffalo, Temple, UMass

Geoffrey Cantin-Arku -LB 6-4 220 - CAMP OFFER - #1 Rated player in Canada
Cegep Garneau, Quebec, Canada
Major (1) SU

Adrian Cole-CB 5-11 165
Plantation HS, Plantation, FL
Major (5) SU, Kansas, Kansas St, Pitt, Duke
Mid Major (6) BGSU, Buffalo, FAU, Marshall, USF, Toledo

Luke Benson -TE – 6-4 218 - CAMP OFFER (has run a sub 11 – 100m dash verified track times)
Central Bucks West HS, Doylestown, PA
Major (1) SU
Mid Major (2) Army, Temple
(8) Brown, Bucknell, Colgate, Columbia, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Matthew K. Bergeron- OT 6-5 280 - CAMP OFFER - #4 rated player in Canada
Cegep De Thetford, Quebec, Canada
Major (1) SU
Mid Major (1) Buffalo

Dorian Hewett - S 6-170 – CAMP OFFER (ran a sub 4.5)
North Shore HS, Houston, TX
Major (1) Syracuse

Garrett Williams - CB 6-0 170
Hickory Ridge HS, Harrisburg, NC
Major (3) Syracuse, Maryland, West Virginia
Mid Major (4) Air Force, Army, ECU, App St

Ishmael Goulbourne – LB/DE 6-4 200
Dwyer HS, Palm Beach Gardens, FL
Major (1) Syracuse
Mid Major (4) Buffalo, Cincinnati, Tulane, WMU

Nazir Burnett - WR 6-1 170 (will be in the running for PA POY)
Bishop McDevitt HS, Harrisburg, PA
Major (6) Syracuse, BC, Michigan St, Pitt, Rutgers, WVU
Mid Major (9) Air Force, Army, Buffalo, BGSU, Cincinnati, Rice, Temple, Toledo, WMU

This looks like a pretty typical Syracuse recruiting class to me. No idea why people would expect bigger offer lists, more stars, etc. People always crap on the camp offers until bigger programs offer and then they get panties in a wad that we won't be able to hold onto. Also who is to say many of the early commits aren't told by their parents or coach that hey if you verbal here then you honor that. Crazy I know.

P has better classes in 90's because the competition was far less, the dome and facilities had not become a huge issue yet and we were also a consistent Top 15-20 program. Not too hard to figure out

 

[SURules]

I think some are getting carried away a little.

First, I think everyone wants Babers and staff to stay for a very long time as I sure do. Coaching consistency with quality coaches is a recipe for success which is the basis for the issues in this thread. It’s good that we have found a HC and staff like this. Although Babers has a history of traveling, I think he will be here for a while. We need to have a very very successful season before he might jump IMHO.

Another thing is, Syracuse “IS” big time football. Maybe we aren’t USC but we have a tremendous history of success as a team and past players that the younger generation can’t remember but I bet most of the coaches sure do. After the last 17 years of suckatude in football for the most part, I can understand why some might not think we are big time but we are and will be for the foreseeable future. We are not Rutgers, UConn, etc.

Recruiting will get easier and better once we start winning consistently again. I have faith that will happen as I saw the lean years and good years of SU football and we have gone in cycles. We are on the upward trend again after a huge down cycle. Thus, the panic as I get it after a big down cycle.

Now IF, Babers were to leave, we will be OK as long as we don’t hire Ash or another GRob. SU has the money to pay competitive P5 salaries for Babers or another coach and staff. Are we going to pay Alabama, OSU, Michigan, etc. money? No and I doubt we ever will but we are in a good spot in the ACC for the long haul were we CAN win another National Championship in football.

Something to ponder about our budgets from the local paper: Which schools spend the most on college football? Where does Syracuse rank?

Syracuse athletics reports record revenues (How much does SU spend on each sport?)

Now kick some UNC rear on Saturday!!!

 

[TheCusian]

They’ve put together good classes before and have given us no reason to question their talent evaluations to this point.

The WR from PA is going to be great. The OT from Canada is a damn monster.

I think they are being picky because they know this season is going to be proof of what they are trying to do.

 

[CousCuse]

Exactly what anyone would do.

Wouldn't you have rather him have said that they just signed an extension.

 

[CousCuse]

I am sure he ran his own leamonade stand as a kid too. Come on man!! Let Macky build his resume for another 5 years or so before we start talking HC material. This is just crazy

If Dino were to leave, who would you propose they get. Don't you want to keep the seme offensive system and coaching continuity?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

If Dino were to leave, who would you propose they get. Don't you want to keep the seme offensive system and coaching continuity?

I have no idea. Coaching continuity is kind of a tough subject as we went that way with Shafer.

Again, I go find the best HC out there with experience that wants the SU Job. The UB coach is good, best coach in the MAC or best HC at the 1AA level is fine with me. I hate first time head coaches as I think some crumble under the pressure or bright lights and lack the management skills required. I also like offensive head coaches, doesn't have to be a DINO clone though. May just need to keep the cycle going until Macky is ready

 

[721Comstock]

I'd like to think we are keeping a little "dry powder" in terms of some open slots, for any late-blooming opportunities that may pop up, as various other programs have crappy years, and/or coaching changes, etc.

We've reeled in some pretty awesome late gets these past 2 years - Alton Robinson anyone?

 

[timkay99]

I'm confused, is our staff terrible at recruiting or getting poached for 7 million?

 

[CousCuse]

I have no idea. Coaching continuity is kind of a tough subject as we went that way with Shafer.

Again, I go find the best HC out there with experience that wants the SU Job. The UB coach is good, best coach in the MAC or best HC at the 1AA level is fine with me. I hate first time head coaches as I think some crumble under the pressure or bright lights and lack the management skills required. I also like offensive head coaches, doesn't have to be a DINO clone though. May just need to keep the cycle going until Macky is ready

IMO, it's the cycle that is hurting the team the most. Shafer had bad luck with every QB on the team being injured in 14 and 15. I understand people didn't like his outbursts, but you can see he recruited a lot of very good talent with very little support. I think Boeheim said that if a football coach is showing ANY progress, he should be retained, as building a football program is a long and complicated process. To me, if Macky is the future, make the future now.

 

[CousCuse]

I'm confused, is our staff terrible at recruiting or getting poached for 7 million?

You are confused. Our staff is middling at recruiting because the guys they want to come here to play realize that the coach is at the top of the poachers list and won't be here to coach them. Not a real difficult concept.

 

[721Comstock]

I'm confused, is our staff terrible at recruiting or getting poached for 7 million?

Yes.

 

[Pyle]

You are confused. Our staff is middling at recruiting because the guys they want to come here to play realize that the coach is at the top of the poachers list and won't be here to coach them. Not a real difficult concept.

I think you need a glass of warm milk and a cookie. Dino beat Clemson one time, with an injured QB, on a weird Friday night in the Dome. There is a trend of big teams losing to SU on Friday nights in our house. So it looks more like the SU anomoly than anything else.

Dino is currently 12-18. There isn't one top program in this country who's fanbase would let them hire somebody with that kind of record. They would burn down the school. Dino has shown he doesn't play defense well and that won't sit well with most people.

Do you really think a school in the B10 is coming after Dino? They all believe in big running games, scratch them off the list.

The SEC doesn't run gimmicky offenses. Their guys are auditioning for the NFL.

So worry about maybe other ACC teams and the B12. The only schools in the B12 that are worth leaving SU for is Texas and Oklahoma. Maybe TT. But he's not leaving us to go to Kansas State mkay?

 

[timkay99]

You are confused. Our staff is middling at recruiting because the guys they want to come here to play realize that the coach is at the top of the poachers list and won't be here to coach them. Not a real difficult concept.

Except every coach everywhere deals with that and it's part of the profession. You jump around. You mentioned Boeheim before, he is an anomaly from a different time. When Bob Stoops retired, two coaches have been around since being hired in 2000, they are Kirk Ferentz and Gary Patterson.

Weird that players want to come here and it's the coaching staff being too good that they are going to leave that stops it.

 

[CousCuse]

Except every coach everywhere deals with that and it's part of the profession. You jump around. You mentioned Boeheim before, he is an anomaly from a different time. When Bob Stoops retired, two coaches have been around since being hired in 2000, they are Kirk Ferentz and Gary Patterson.

Weird that players want to come here and it's the coaching staff being too good that they are going to leave that stops it.

I don't think it's weird. If you had a son being recruited would't you advise him of that. Or if you were a high school coach? Let's say like with Nunn, wouldn't you say to your young person that Richt will almost positively be there, while Dino 80/20 or maybe 70/30. I think if you can't see that your not being honest.

 

[TheCusian]

I think you need a glass of warm milk and a cookie. Dino beat Clemson one time, with an injured QB, on a weird Friday night in the Dome. There is a trend of big teams losing to SU on Friday nights in our house. So it looks more like the SU anomoly than anything else.

Dino is currently 12-18. There isn't one top program in this country who's fanbase would let them hire somebody with that kind of record. They would burn down the school. Dino has shown he doesn't play defense well and that won't sit well with most people.

Do you really think a school in the B10 is coming after Dino? They all believe in big running games, scratch them off the list.

The SEC doesn't run gimmicky offenses. Their guys are auditioning for the NFL.

So worry about maybe other ACC teams and the B12. The only schools in the B12 that are worth leaving SU for is Texas and Oklahoma. Maybe TT. But he's not leaving us to go to Kansas State mkay?

I don't think the offense we run is considered all that gimmicky in 2018. The concepts are everywhere, including the NFL, Alabama, Ohio State, etc.

 

[SURules]

I don't think it's weird. If you had a son being recruited would't you advise him of that. Or if you were a high school coach? Let's say like with Nunn, wouldn't you say to your young person that Richt will almost positively be there, while Dino 80/20 or maybe 70/30. I think if you can't see that your not being honest.

I told my kid to pick the school they felt comfortable with and where they wanted to make memories at, not the coach as coaches come and go and athletes can get hurt that might end their career. Lots of reasons other than a coach for a kid to go to a school.

 

[CousCuse]

I told my kid to pick the school they felt comfortable with and where they wanted to make memories at, not the coach as coaches come and go and athletes can get hurt that might end their career. Lots of reasons other than a coach for a kid to go to a school.

Really? These are the people that are going to spend the most time and have the most influence on your kid. Look what happened to that kid at Maryland.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Players and parents have to feel like Babers is going to be here coaching if they commit. That is not that clear right now.

Oh, that's bull. Babers is here for as long as he wants to be.
Have you not noticed that we beat Virginia Tech, Clemson and Florida State since he's been coach?

Did Shafer have one win as good as that? Marrone could beat WVU, but who else? Don't get me started on Gerg.

 

[CousCuse]

Oh, that's bull. Babers is here for as long as he wants to be.
Have you not noticed that we beat Virginia Tech, Clemson and Florida State since he's been coach?

Did Shafer have one win as good as that? Marrone could beat WVU, but who else? Don't get me started on Gerg.

Read the thread and get back to me. And Shafer won a bowl game.

 

[timkay99]

I don't think it's weird. If you had a son being recruited would't you advise him of that. Or if you were a high school coach? Let's say like with Nunn, wouldn't you say to your young person that Richt will almost positively be there, while Dino 80/20 or maybe 70/30. I think if you can't see that your not being honest.

This sounds good, but Richt also may not positively be there. Babers just got taken off some web-sites hot seat rankings, so not sure anyone besides the people on this board think he would jump ship.

I work in the recruiting world for baseball. Yes, coaches are the most important factor for them. But, many of these kids deal with their recruiter. The loss of a Monroe or a certain positional coach is a bigger factor to these kids than the head guy. Typically, your position coaches build the relationships and the head coach is the finisher.