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This sounds good, but Richt also may not positively be there. Babers just got taken off some web-sites hot seat rankings, so not sure anyone besides the people on this board think he would jump ship.

I work in the recruiting world for baseball. Yes, coaches are the most important factor for them. But, many of these kids deal with their recruiter. The loss of a Monroe or a certain positional coach is a bigger factor to these kids than the head guy. Typically, your position coaches build the relationships and the head coach is the finisher.
He was taken off the hot seat because he is not going to be fired, the hot seat is not a list of the most sought after coaches. If the head coach leaves, usually everybody else leaves with him. Recruiters , assistants, everybody.
 
I don't think the offense we run is considered all that gimmicky in 2018. The concepts are everywhere, including the NFL, Alabama, Ohio State, etc.
Our offense if based on up-tempo RPO where we execute X number of plays per game at an extremely quick pace to catch the defense offguard, out of position, and eventually wear them down. The NFL already run a shorter play clock which would nullify most of the up tempo IMO. And Bama is running a pro-style offense, not RPO.
 
Read the thread and get back to me. And Shafer won a bowl game.

Here we go again.

Shafer was a terrific man, a great guy, a competent DC, but a lousy head coach.

Babers is 10X the head coach Shafer was. That he hasn't gotten to a bowl yet is a testimony to the hole Shafer left for him to climb the program out of.

Just an asinine post / perspective you are expressing. You backed the wrong horse, and it is past time to let go.
 
Oh, that's bull. Babers is here for as long as he wants to be.
Have you not noticed that we beat Virginia Tech, Clemson and Florida State since he's been coach?

Did Shafer have one win as good as that? Marrone could beat WVU, but who else? Don't get me started on Gerg.

Marrone beat a top 10 Louisville team in the dome and an SEC team on the road. He also went to 2 bowl games and he also had the best stretch of football for 6 games this program has seen in 17 years. The 2012 team was a top 25 team easy at the end of the year.
 
Why is anybody even talking about Dino leaving . Where would he possibly go? First off no
SEC school is taking him next year Arkansas has a new coach, Vandy isn't likely to fire their coach, Auburn IF they fire Malzahn with his 32 Million Dollar buyout Auburn is not picking Dino and a losing record to replace him and Missouri is likely to stand by Odom.
Big Ten Is Dino going to leave for Illinois or Rutgers no way that ever happens.
Pac 12 has no real openings I can see
Big 12 Kansas no chance
That leaves ACC North Carolina possibly? Lville is going to offer Brohm anything he wants to get him to leave, or Ga Tech. I just don't see any chance he leaves for those jobs. So we have him now he needs to recruit a little better.
 
Here we go again.

Shafer was a terrific man, a great guy, a competent DC, but a lousy head coach.

Babers is 10X the head coach Shafer was. That he hasn't gotten to a bowl yet is a testimony to the hole Shafer left for him to climb the program out of.

Just an asinine post / perspective you are expressing. You backed the wrong horse, and it is past time to let go.
I don't want to derail the thread over another SS debate. My point is that not having a long term coach really diminishes recruiting. And I don't think it's real clear what the future holds for Dino, which is why our current class is ranked so low.
 
I don't want to derail the thread over another SS debate. My point is that not having a long term coach really diminishes recruiting. And I don't think it's real clear what the future holds for Dino, which is why our current class is ranked so low.

What it actually is is unadulterated bunk. Dino's future here is not uncertain, you're just pretending that it is. Dino's ability to beat high major teams is not uncertain, either. And when he gets to a bowl game this season, it will erase your talking point about Shafer's "accomplishments" versus his from above, as well.
 
Really? These are the people that are going to spend the most time and have the most influence on your kid. Look what happened to that kid at Maryland.

Yes, and add to that sports wasn’t in the first conversation. “What do you want to do with your life and what do you want for a major” was the basis for our first discussion. Based upon your logic, all of the Shafer recruits/players should have left when he was let go including many starters playing now.
 
What it actually is is unadulterated bunk. Dino's future here is not uncertain, you're just pretending that it is. Dino's ability to beat high major teams is not uncertain, either. And when he gets to a bowl game this season, it will erase your talking point about Shafer's "accomplishments" versus his from above, as well.
Do you think AD's and big time boosters can't see that Syracuse is 2 4th down stops from being undefeated? They are going to offer him, mark my words. What is this hatred you have for Scott Shafer anyways. No coach that loses all of their quarterbacks is going to do much winning, especially at a place like Syracuse. Dino didn't do much winning when Dungey was out.
 
Do you think AD's and big time boosters can't see that Syracuse is 2 4th down stops from being undefeated? They are going to offer him, mark my words. What is this hatred you have for Scott Shafer anyways. No coach that loses all of their quarterbacks is going to do much winning, especially at a place like Syracuse. Dino didn't do much winning when Dungey was out.

I loved Scott Shafer, but I can separate him being a great guy from what his coaching capabilities were.

And I recognize that the current head coach / staff are exponentially better than the one they replaced. Fact.
 
I loved Scott Shafer, but I can separate him being a great guy from what his coaching capabilities were.

And I recognize that the current head coach / staff are exponentially better than the one they replaced. Fact.
Ii still can't quite get my point across to you and others. Babers has 3 years left on his contract, is he going to get extended or not. If not, recruits and their advisers see that and is a major factor to them committing to play for him. Which is why were not getting the kind of recruits we should be getting with a coach of the high quality that Coach Babers is. Spend less on the dome reno and give it to the coach, it is a better investment.
 
I’m not sure which would be worse lately. Rutgersal on this board or couscus.
 
Ii still can't quite get my point across to you and others. Babers has 3 years left on his contract, is he going to get extended or not. If not, recruits and their advisers see that and is a major factor to them committing to play for him. Which is why were not getting the kind of recruits we should be getting with a coach of the high quality that Coach Babers is. Spend less on the dome reno and give it to the coach, it is a better investment.

Coaches want facilities too.
 
I’m not sure which would be worse lately. Rutgersal on this board or couscus.
Why isn't the most dynamic, positive and capable coach, who is also an upstanding family guy and nice looking as well, getting a trove of big time recruits. Why?
 
Coaches want facilities too.
When he gets the recruits he needs, he will win all the time and the dome will be full and the boosters will be lined up.
 
Why isn't the most dynamic, positive and capable coach, who is also an upstanding family guy and nice looking as well, getting a trove of big time recruits. Why?

It has almost nothing to do with recruits being worried he’s leaving. This is the only time I’ll reply to this/you. Even when you’re wrong you just change your argument to something different and post 5 more times. I just read that crap in the “ACC scheduling” thread
 
It has almost nothing to do with recruits being worried he’s leaving. This is the only time I’ll reply to this/you. Even when you’re wrong you just change your argument to something different and post 5 more times. I just read that crap in the “ACC scheduling” thread
You didn't reply as to why Dino isn't getting the great recruits. That is what this thread is about.
 
Why isn't the most dynamic, positive and capable coach, who is also an upstanding family guy and nice looking as well, getting a trove of big time recruits. Why?

Because Rome isn't built in a day. And because our program has been mostly down for the better part of two decades. And because after we get to a bowl this year, then the staff will have something very positive to sell on the recruiting trail that they don't have today -- evidence that the system / program is a winner.
 
Why isn't the most dynamic, positive and capable coach, who is also an upstanding family guy and nice looking as well, getting a trove of big time recruits. Why?


hard to sell back to back 4-8 years where we collapsed in november without dungey
 
Our offense if based on up-tempo RPO where we execute X number of plays per game at an extremely quick pace to catch the defense offguard, out of position, and eventually wear them down. The NFL already run a shorter play clock which would nullify most of the up tempo IMO. And Bama is running a pro-style offense, not RPO.

Same concepts. That we run it faster doesn’t make it gimmicky, IMO. Plus, “No huddle” has been around for a long time in the NFL. Same idea. And Bama has integrated a ton of RPO stuff just like the other teams in the SEC.
 
You didn't reply as to why Dino isn't getting the great recruits. That is what this thread is about.

The recruiting has improved every year here under Babers, incrementally. That this class has too few and we still have some time means you’d be better off saving any arguement until after signing day.
 
I don't think it's weird. If you had a son being recruited would't you advise him of that. Or if you were a high school coach? Let's say like with Nunn, wouldn't you say to your young person that Richt will almost positively be there, while Dino 80/20 or maybe 70/30. I think if you can't see that your not being honest.
You'd tell him to pick the education that suits him, and make sure everything else fits his situation. And then you'd make sure he picks the best men possible, even if they might be gone in a year, because that's the reality of college football.

Sorry Cous, but you are making stuff up. You have zero idea of Babers future. He could be here 15 more years. I'm guessing you haven't spoken with many kids getting recruited. Our school has 30 at a higher level, and I've spoken with more. They all have their own reasons. They control what they can control. They can't afford to base their lives on paranoid internet message board assumptions and conjecture. They're not just football players.
 
The recruiting has improved every year here under Babers, incrementally. That this class has too few and we still have some time means you’d be better off saving any arguement until after signing day.
I hear what you are saying, We still might do pretty well in the end. Is that where you think we should be, where Dino should be? I can easily see him at a school like Tennessee, if he went there last year, bringing in a top 20 or even top 10 class. He would have signed a big contract and been solidly in place from day 1.
 
You'd tell him to pick the education that suits him, and make sure everything else fits his situation. And then you'd make sure he picks the best men possible, even if they might be gone in a year, because that's the reality of college football.

Sorry Cous, but you are making stuff up. You have zero idea of Babers future. He could be here 15 more years. I'm guessing you haven't spoken with many kids getting recruited. Our school has 30 at a higher level, and I've spoken with more. They all have their own reasons. They control what they can control. They can't afford to base their lives on paranoid internet message board assumptions and conjecture. They're not just football players.
If they are trying to play P5 football, they have aspirations to play pro ball. If they don't, they should play at a lower level where they will have more time to focus on their studies. When Gbo comes on this board and says that after Saban retires, Dabo will go to 'Bama and Clemson will move on Dino, he's serious. And I can tell you that there are a lot of other people much higher them him that have their eye on Babers. Unless you think powerful people who make decisions in this billion dollar industry are just haphazard and pull names out of a hat.
 
Marrone beat a top 10 Louisville team in the dome and an SEC team on the road. He also went to 2 bowl games and he also had the best stretch of football for 6 games this program has seen in 17 years. The 2012 team was a top 25 team easy at the end of the year.
He rode shafers arse.
 
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