Paul Finebaum - good and bad

[IthacaBarrel]

Being on somebody's list doesn't mean a GD thing. Dino isn't going to go to Louisville. If he leaves it will be for much bigger and most likely west coast. I can't see him going south either.

I think Louisville is going to find themselves in a tough spot. They aren't in a great spot from a perception type. Purdue has really built up facilities etc and not a bad spot for Brohm. So weird that people think Dino would leave Syracuse for Louisville? Their papa john $$ is gone now too and they have a ton of people they are still paying

 

[SU94]

I hate calling people ignorant but she is just an awful ignorant reporter.
The fact is she has covered our program since GRob all she knows she is Syracuse sucks.
It is so dumb how these media hacks thing because we have been down for 15 years we are dregs.

Correct. SU's ascension under Dino has nothing/nada/zilch to do with the success of the UL Football Program.

 

[690West]

Andrea. C'mon. Ask yourself why it would be easier to win at Louisville than at Syracuse. *Maybe* recruits see it as more southern. That's it. That's the list. Similar resources, same division.

That was her take. She specifically said "Look at how much easier it is to recruit to UL vs. Syracuse"

Her tone wasn't great with her feelings on our program even with the year we're having. I guess it's gonna take a while

 

[upperdeck]

If Dino thinks he has peaked then he leaves. if he thinks it is building then why go unless you end up in a dream job/location and thats not UL..

without Jackson UL would have crashed 2-3 yrs ago.

 

[Newhouser]

The first wave of punishment already happened. He was forced to fire his best friend last week, OL coach Neal Callaway. Tee Martin was demoted also. They aren’t going to beat UCLA or ND. No bowl. Can’t survive that. The Pac12 S is af an all time low in terms of quality. He lost to Herm Edwards. He’ll lose to Chip Kelly next week. He lost to the guy he fired, Justin Wilcox. ND will be a 3 game losing streak at the Coliseum. Guys like Ryan Abraham and Dan Weber think he’s done now. He fell on his sword with this Cal game. He was the official playcaller since Tee Martin was ‘demoted’ and they scored 14 points. Nothing in the 2H. It’s just hard to say what the school heirarchy and big money is thinking. But, Helton’s out. Bet my savings on that but Swanny may be out too.

they need to stop hiring alums as AD's.

 

[SWC75]

In case we need to break the glass in an emergency, I decided to look at who had a similar resume to Dino Babers before he came here. I'm assuming that Dino has moved on and taken most of his coaching staff with him, (as he did coming here). We could promote someone he left here as we did with Scott Shafer when Marrone left but I think bringing in someone who has had success as a head coach with a non-power conference team and who has experience as an assistant with power conference programs is the best formula. It would help if he has experience coaching along the eastern seaboard, where we do most of our recruiting. It would also help if he had a high-scoring team because that's what we are now used to. No meathead football, please! Even though we got Dino in his mid-50's, my instinct is to go for a younger coach who has a better chance for along career here.

Dino's last Bowling Green team went 10-3. I made a list of FBS non-power conference schools who currently have 3 or fewer or fewer losses and linked them to the Wikipedia bios for their head coaches. Do any of these guys float your boat?

Appalachian State- Scott Satterfield - Wikipedia

Boise State- Bryan Harsin - Wikipedia

Buffalo- Lance Leipold - Wikipedia

Central Florida- Josh Heupel - Wikipedia

Cincinnati- Luke Fickell - Wikipedia

Florida International- Butch Davis - Wikipedia

Fresno State- Jeff Tedford - Wikipedia

Georgia Southern- Chad Lunsford - Wikipedia

Houston- Major Applewhite - Wikipedia

Louisiana Tech- Skip Holtz - Wikipedia

Marshall- Doc Holliday (American football) - Wikipedia

Middle Tennessee State- Rick Stockstill - Wikipedia

North Texas- Seth Littrell - Wikipedia

Northern Illinois- Rod Carey - Wikipedia

San Diego State- Rocky Long - Wikipedia

South Florida – Charlie Strong - Wikipedia

Troy- Neal Brown - Wikipedia

UAB- Bill Clark (American football) - Wikipedia

Utah State- Matt Wells (coach) - Wikipedia

I'm luke-warm at best for all of them. I'd certainly rather keep Dino if we can. the most interesting resumes to me are:

North Texas's Seth Littrell, who was assistant head coach as North Carolina built that team that won 11 games in a row in 2015 before losing shoot-outs to Clemson and Baylor. That team scored 570 points. They haven't been able to duplicate that since he left.

Troy's Neal Brown, who played at UMASS,<coached at Delaware and has been offensive coordinator at Texas Tech and Kentucky. He beat LSU after we lost to them last year. The offense created by Brown focused on players running to the line immediately after the play and quickly snapping the ball before the defense could get set. The offense requires speed at every position to be run the way Brown envisions it. The focus of the offense was to snap the ball 8 seconds after the previous play. " Orange would be the new faster.

 

[Rocco]

Dino is staying. Everybody relax.

 

[CuseCactus]

I'm going to be seriously depressed if/when he leaves. 17 years waiting is a long time. It'll be much harder to take than Marrone bolting.

 

[DPCuse]

Let's consider this...he does leave. We are coming off a fantastic season with renewed energy in the fanbase. We have a top notch quarterback for 3 more years. The cupboards are definitely not empty. A renovated dome is on the horizon. We are in a power 5 conference. We have an AD who knows how to get things done. We are in remarkably good shape to replace Dino IF he decides to leave.

 

[Briancuse]

I'm going to be seriously depressed if/when he leaves. 17 years waiting is a long time. It'll be much harder to take than Marrone bolting.

Give me a huge year next year and if he goes I will be upset but life goes on.

 

[syracuse95]

I think Louisville is going to find themselves in a tough spot.

This is why I think they already have an under-the-table agreement in principle with someone. I mean, they lost their biggest sponsor, are facing another NCAA investigation of the basketball program, and Rick Pitino is suing them for $40M in buyout money he says is owed. They just tacked on a $14M buyout of Petrino, without knowing how much the replacement will cost or who it will be?

If they don't already have their guy lined up, that athletic department is more screwed up than I would ever have given them credit for. And I already consider them the most screwed up AD in the country.

 

[RF2044]

The good news is Andrea Adelson is rarely right about anything.

Spot on -- she is awful.

 

[CA Monk]

Elated there's talk of HCDFB leaving. That means we're doing well.
Me thinks he stays. My personal reasons:
1. Does he really want to go to an insanely pressurized school where winning football is a religion and not a sport?
2. How much money does anyone need to feel secure? He's got that.
3. Who doesn't like being a big fish in a small pond? - I don't know about his ego needs, but he seems like a mature, intelligent gentleman who may not want to go "Legacy Hunting" at 58.
4. The Syracuse situation is an ideal chemistry lab to create his special brand of offense (fast track in a renovated dome). He can work relatively undisturbed in an indoor laboratory.
4.5. Maybe his lovely wife Susan is tired of pulling up stakes every 2-3 years.
5. His legacy has already grown at Syracuse University. I'd be satisfied with that. Boeheim stayed. Mac left, but came back to settle here. Pasqualoni would've stayed (I think). Babers (IMHO) would be foolish to leave. This is an ideal job for someone of DB's temperament: none of that Urban Meyer/Nick Saban 90K+ for the spring game bullship or being immersed in a 24/7 football world.
6. Even if he does stay, he'll have some mediocre years. It happens. But the potential for doing something truly special is here now. It's exciting and new (sounds like the theme from The Love Boat).
7. Logic dictates he stays. But since this isn't the planet Vulcan, we'll just have to see.

 

[kuethstheman]

Spot on -- she is awful.

On the other hand, I don't have a problem with anything in the quote. Being second on Louisville's list undoubtedly means second on their wish list. Of course he'd be high on their wish list. And Dino can win there, NP. What's to take issue with?

 

[Cheriehoop]

Sounds to me like Louisville is very worried about losing recruits to SU.

 

[RF2044]

On the other hand, I don't have a problem with anything in the quote. Being second on Louisville's list undoubtedly means second on their wish list. Of course he'd be high on their wish list. And Dino can win there, NP. What's to take issue with?

I was basing my negative assessment on her collective body of work, not just that quote.

 

[AAM62]

Elated there's talk of HCDFB leaving. That means we're doing well.
Me thinks he stays. My personal reasons:
1. Does he really want to go to an insanely pressurized school where winning football is a religion and not a sport?
2. How much money does anyone need to feel secure? He's got that.
3. Who doesn't like being a big fish in a small pond? - I don't know about his ego needs, but he seems like a mature, intelligent gentleman who may not want to go "Legacy Hunting" at 58.
4. The Syracuse situation is an ideal chemistry lab to create his special brand of offense (fast track in a renovated dome). He can work relatively undisturbed in an indoor laboratory.
4.5. Maybe his lovely wife Susan is tired of pulling up stakes every 2-3 years.
5. His legacy has already grown at Syracuse University. I'd be satisfied with that. Boeheim stayed. Mac left, but came back to settle here. Pasqualoni would've stayed (I think). Babers (IMHO) would be foolish to leave. This is an ideal job for someone of DB's temperament: none of that Urban Meyer/Nick Saban 90K+ for the spring game bullship or being immersed in a 24/7 football world.
6. Even if he does stay, he'll have some mediocre years. It happens. But the potential for doing something truly special is here now. It's exciting and new (sounds like the theme from The Love Boat).
7. Logic dictates he stays. But since this isn't the planet Vulcan, we'll just have to see.

its all dependent on if the BOD loosens the purse strings. If its always a fight for resources then he will go.

 

[721Comstock]

Ahem.



Does Llvll have a dome?
Does USC have a dome?

Dino has (or will have) all the tools and opportunity to make Syracuse into Baylor East (minus all the rape-y stuff, of course).
He can compete for championships at the highest level - RIGHT HERE.

 

[chop block]

Everyone talks about money, but aren't we renegotiating our apparrell deal. The increase in that alone should be able to cover raises for Dino and staff. UCLA is getting 8 million a year, would think Syracuse is close to that

 

[kcsu]

Pay Dino 7 million per year and have him coach football and

In case we need to break the glass in an emergency, I decided to look at who had a similar resume to Dino Babers before he came here. I'm assuming that Dino has moved on and taken most of his coaching staff with him, (as he did coming here). We could promote someone he left here as we did with Scott Shafer when Marrone left but I think bringing in someone who has had success as a head coach with a non-power conference team and who has experience as an assistant with power conference programs is the best formula. It would help if he has experience coaching along the eastern seaboard, where we do most of our recruiting. It would also help if he had a high-scoring team because that's what we are now used to. No meathead football, please! Even though we got Dino in his mid-50's, my instinct is to go for a younger coach who has a better chance for along career here.

Dino's last Bowling Green team went 10-3. I made a list of FBS non-power conference schools who currently have 3 or fewer or fewer losses and linked them to the Wikipedia bios for their head coaches. Do any of these guys float your boat?

Appalachian State- Scott Satterfield - Wikipedia

Boise State- Bryan Harsin - Wikipedia

Buffalo- Lance Leipold - Wikipedia

Central Florida- Josh Heupel - Wikipedia

Cincinnati- Luke Fickell - Wikipedia

Florida International- Butch Davis - Wikipedia

Fresno State- Jeff Tedford - Wikipedia

Georgia Southern- Chad Lunsford - Wikipedia

Houston- Major Applewhite - Wikipedia

Louisiana Tech- Skip Holtz - Wikipedia

Marshall- Doc Holliday (American football) - Wikipedia

Middle Tennessee State- Rick Stockstill - Wikipedia

North Texas- Seth Littrell - Wikipedia

Northern Illinois- Rod Carey - Wikipedia

San Diego State- Rocky Long - Wikipedia

South Florida – Charlie Strong - Wikipedia

Troy- Neal Brown - Wikipedia

UAB- Bill Clark (American football) - Wikipedia

Utah State- Matt Wells (coach) - Wikipedia

I'm luke-warm at best for all of them. I'd certainly rather keep Dino if we can. the most interesting resumes to me are:

North Texas's Seth Littrell, who was assistant head coach as North Carolina built that team that won 11 games in a row in 2015 before losing shoot-outs to Clemson and Baylor. That team scored 570 points. They haven't been able to duplicate that since he left.

Troy's Neal Brown, who played at UMASS,<coached at Delaware and has been offensive coordinator at Texas Tech and Kentucky. He beat LSU after we lost to them last year. The offense created by Brown focused on players running to the line immediately after the play and quickly snapping the ball before the defense could get set. The offense requires speed at every position to be run the way Brown envisions it. The focus of the offense was to snap the ball 8 seconds after the previous play. " Orange would be the new faster.

Add Jason Candle.

 

[RF2044]

its all dependent on if the BOD loosens the purse strings. If its always a fight for resources then he will go.

The purse strings open much more easily when the football team brings in an expanded pile of revenue. Not just from ticket sales, but also from merchandise / concessions sold during games.

This is from several years ago, but I remember Gross speaking at an event [may have been around the time of Marrone's first game against Minnesota, which was close to a sell out] that having a near-full capacity crowd isn't just an advantage during the game, it also generates about $1M in revenue, when you add up ticket sales / concessions / merchandise.

[again, just paraphrasing what he said -- can't validate the math behind that claim, but it is a nice round number for this hypothetical].

Not surprisingly, the amount of revenue declines exponentially with a decrease of butts-in-seats.

For a long time, football has been underachieving as a revenue generator in direct correlation to our on-field performance being subpar. But now that we're playing an exciting style of play again, winning games, ranked, etc. the POTENTIAL is there for football related revenues to jump. And if that's the case, then reinvesting some of that money whether into AC salaries, more staff for football operations, into facilities, etc. shouldn't be as difficult to do.

It's a lot easier to make the decision to proactively invest when you've got a surplus of funds instead of having to make a choice whether to spend limited funds on option A at the expense of option B.

 

[TheCusian]

Bottom line is that if anyone can see the pros and cons of this situation, it’s Babers and Wildhack.

They’ve both seen a lot of situations and probably have a good idea of what they are up against.

 

[kingtidge]

Just saying... new golden domer poster comes on, claims not to be troll... Then starts claiming smoke on dino to louvill.

Troll alert.

 

[PhatOrange]

Everyone talks about money, but aren't we renegotiating our apparrell deal. The increase in that alone should be able to cover raises for Dino and staff. UCLA is getting 8 million a year, would think Syracuse is close to that

I would imagine (hope) that Wildhack will hit the NIKE deal out of the park. Who would know what the Syracuse brand is worth more than Wildhack would?

 

[NKR1978]

One thing I'll say is that I love that we appear to be run by adults. No speculation coming from the AD. No rumors. No insane promises. Wildhack is a wonderful hire as AD and Dino has brought us a special season that I never would have expected in year 3. I'm hopeful that he'll be with us for a while, but if he's not we'll get someone good that can keep this going.