Paul Finebaum - good and bad

[tep624]

yeah and his agent isnt game planning or worrying about ND.

that really doesnt bother me though. I suspect that is just pushing for a raise with Wildhack. Just my naive, hopeful 2 cents.

Exactly. His agent's job is to maximize value for his client. Part of that is salary. With Dino's success he should be paid at a minimum on more than whatever MD and Louisville are paying their new coaches, he deserves that and his agent should be working on his behalf to make that happen. Reaching out to determine what the potential offer would be is a way of doing that. Doesn't mean he has any real interest of moving to those schools.

 

[shandeezy7]

I also feel with his up tempo system, why would he risk it by leaving the Dome, which is PERFECT for his system for 6 games per year. Go to OSU, Michigan, ND, any outdoor school with cold weather/climate, his system is effected.

And going 6-0 in the Dome this year is a good example of that.

 

[omniorange]

Ahem.




Does Llvll have a dome?
Does USC have a dome?

Dino has (or will have) all the tools and opportunity to make Syracuse into Baylor East (minus all the rape-y stuff, of course).
He can compete for championships at the highest level - RIGHT HERE.

Exactly. Babers, first and foremost, is a systems guy. He wants to show everyone the system can win National Championships.

SU's positives - Currently he has the best possible environment to play that system with 6 games in the Dome and 2 more games guaranteed to be played in warm weather. We have been down for a while so any resurgence by the program is going to be attributed to the system (and him) first and foremost.

SU's negatives - More difficult to recruit, $$$ in terms of coaches (plural) salaries and facilities, attendance - "If he stays and builds it, will they come?"

Will he leave? It is a possibility due to the negatives and the nature of college athletics, but being a glass is half-full kind of guy I choose to have faith. And isn't that what he asked of us all from the get go?

LGO!!!

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Briancuse]

Amazing how people keep mentioning his age being a factor.

I would bet that he is already financially secure, seems that he has been here 3 years at 2.5 mil a year, which by my crazy math is about 7.5 million total not including incentives. Unless he is out buying yachts we don't know about I am guessing he is doing fine financially.

There are currently 17 coaches above the age of 60 in the FBS which is right around 15%. None of those guys appear to be looking to throw in the towel any rime soon, except Snyder maybe and he is almost 80. Age is not a consideration, especially since Dino looks like he is about 40 and is in great shape. This isn't the Olympics where your physical gifts can take you out of the game as you get old.

Being secure is one thing having enough money to set up your kids and grandkids is another.

 

[texascpa]

I also feel with his up tempo system, why would he risk it by leaving the Dome, which is PERFECT for his system for 6 games per year. Go to OSU, Michigan, ND, any outdoor school with cold weather/climate, his system is effected.

He coached at Eastern Illinois and Bowling Green. He won conference championships at both schools. The cold weather did not affect his system.

 

[Crusty]

Dino is a very smart guy. He took a big pay cut to become a HC at Eastern because he knows how to think longer term.

When he won at BG he had many options but he knew exactly what job he wanted. He locked in early and told his agent to take him off the market because Syracuse was where he wanted to go. He had figured it all out.

The dome was perfect for his offense, he had a talented young QB, some promising young talent, a P5 conference and low expectations. He had the deck stacked in his favor even if we knucklehead fans couldn't see as far as he did.

In less than three seasons here he sits with a top 15 rating, a QB with an NFL arm for the next three years and a weak ACC.

In three years he will be able to go anywhere he wants for Jumbo Fisher type money.

IF and when he leaves we will have returned to the national stage and will be able to make a quality hire.

So, however it works out we will be just fine. Let's just enjoy the ride.

 

[dimes1111]

This is what brought you out of lurking OP?

This was my "long time listener, first time caller" moment.
Rookie mistake on my part for not saying I actually think Dino is here for the long haul. Sure, if an opportunity opened up at one of the 5 or so truly elite programs and they were interested in Dino, he would have to listen. Right now maryland and louisville are closer to rutgers and kansas than they are to bama.
My original post was really meant to highlight that someone like Finebaum thinks SU is on the cusp of being a consistent contender for the ACC title and CFP.
A couple years ago "Syracuse" and "playoffs" would have been met with one response and one response only...

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Finebaum was saying Dino would be gone after last year when we beat Clemson.

Like the poster above me stated, unless you’re Clemson, OSU or any SEC school, Finebaum will view you as a stepping stone.

However, the fact people like Finebaum think Dino can have a perennial CFP challenger at Syracuse is pretty telling. (In a good way)

He (currently) has one team (Clemson) to beat in his division, to get to the ACC championship game.

 

[PhatOrange]

Being secure is one thing having enough money to set up your kids and grandkids is another.

When his syracuse contract is up he’d have made 15+million. If he signs an extension during that time he’ll make 30 to 40 million bringing him to age 65. Id guess his kids and grand kids and great grandkids and great great grand kids will be just fine. And oh yeah he’ll probably be paying his daughter’s father in law a half million a year to.

Plus there’s no pressure to coach here making all that money.

Plus plus as a legend here he’ll make way beyond that.

 

[AlexDaCuse]

The good news is Andrea Adelson is rarely right about anything.

Seriously how does she have a job cause the one she has now she's pretty bad at it.

 

[Cusefan69]

This was my "long time listener, first time caller" moment.
Rookie mistake on my part for not saying I actually think Dino is here for the long haul. Sure, if an opportunity opened up at one of the 5 or so truly elite programs and they were interested in Dino, he would have to listen. Right now maryland and louisville are closer to rutgers and kansas than they are to bama.
My original post was really meant to highlight that someone like Finebaum thinks SU is on the cusp of being a consistent contender for the ACC title and CFP.
A couple years ago "Syracuse" and "playoffs" would have been met with one response and one response only...

Dude “long time listener, first time caller”. Excellent calibration of initial message!! Welcome to posting with that Joe Pisarcik opening handoff!! Seriously engage and welcome. Totally get not communicating the message you wanted, happens to the best of us. Welcome dimes!

 

[HOFCeluck]

I’m just happy we’re relevant enough that Paul Finebaum has to talk about us.

 

[Ish88888]

USC: likely going to be an NFL guy. Are there any USC alums capable of taking on the job? I’m not seeing any natural candidates there.

UCLA: Kelly has a few more years to turn it around, but it’s possible. They like the gimmick offenses, but Dino will probably have SU a consistent winner by then, why leave for UCLA?

Oregon: Cristobal is going to be there awhile.

Arizona: why? Nostalgia?

Auburn: I have seen Dino’s name come up a few times with Auburn alums and boosters. It’s an interesting wrinkle and they definitely don’t shy away from Dino’s style of play. I just don’t see the appeal when he has never coached or recruited SEC football. That’s a tall order while being Bama’s little brother.

Texas: Herman is early in his term and likely not leaving if he has success. If he doesn’t have success then I don’t see Dino’s style getting a look.

Texas A&M: Jimbo just got there.

What other jobs are going to come open soon? I would say Dino is probably safe for another two years at least unless USC whiffs on their first eight choices. I don’t see Dino going anywhere for at least four years, if ever. Maybe I’m wrong, but people need to definitely calm down and start acting the part of being a fan of a winning program

Being the dumpter fire he is, glad the FSU transition to Taggert happened last year and not this year FSU might have been a realistic scenario.

 

[Ish88888]

Nonsense. Everybody knows Brohm is Louisville's next coach. And, there is no reason to go to Louisville, for anyone, at any time.

Do I believe MD has tried to contact Babers? Sure, them and a zillion other teams. Nothing new there.

How you got to your last conclusion? That's called trolling.

Really don't think brohm is that intetested. Why take on the pressure? Undo pressure of a school that thinks its bigger in fb than it really is. Playing Clemson and FSU and US conference wise. He has all the security in the world at Purdue in a winnable, P5 conference, one of the biggest P5 conferences.

He could be Ferenz 2.0 and take all the time he likes at 7-5 most seasons and pop once in a while and challenge for the conference. also hear he is getting a nice buck. he would be crazy to leave.

 

[Ish88888]

Babers did good at two MAC schools with MAC schedules. He has a losing record at Syracuse. I don't think any of the football factories would even try to snag him just yet. If he got the job at Florida State this winter and guided them to 6 wins, guess what? He would be out of a job for not producing and he is smart enough to know that.

AMEN, first logical person to pump the breaks. I loooove dino but as you stated he hasn't sustained anything. we are having an epic year, ranked 12, but anyone who breaks down the schedule, the sea has truly parted for cuse fb this year with a very reasonable OOC and FSU, UNC , and the Ville folding before college footballs eyes. NCST isn't that good, nor is wake. Hell, we deserved this and took care of biz on the fly.

 

[dollarbill44]

Monica Bellucci was on my list at one point, as was Sophia Vergara. Didn't make a dam difference.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Babers did good at two MAC schools with MAC schedules. He has a losing record at Syracuse. I don't think any of the football factories would even try to snag him just yet. If he got the job at Florida State this winter and guided them to 6 wins, guess what? He would be out of a job for not producing and he is smart enough to know that.

Just my opinion. I believe he will be in high demand in a couple weeks and depending on how the game of musical chairs play out there could be 1 or 2 really big openings. I think it comes down to Dino and what he wants to do, not whether he will be courted by some bigger programs.

Getting Syracuse to where they are currently is perceived as a miracle. ( right or wrong) Marrone was basically .500 after 4 years in a much weaker conference and he got an NFL gig out of it.

And again, I or nobody here as any idea what Dino will do nor what really makes him tick, everything is just public perception and what he has said to the media over past 3 years. Nobody knows.

 

[CusefanATL]

Dino is a very smart guy. He took a big pay cut to become a HC at Eastern because he knows how to think longer term.

When he won at BG he had many options but he knew exactly what job he wanted. He locked in early and told his agent to take him off the market because Syracuse was where he wanted to go. He had figured it all out.

The dome was perfect for his offense, he had a talented young QB, some promising young talent, a P5 conference and low expectations. He had the deck stacked in his favor even if we knucklehead fans couldn't see as far as he did.

In less than three seasons here he sits with a top 15 rating, a QB with an NFL arm for the next three years and a weak ACC.

In three years he will be able to go anywhere he wants for Jumbo Fisher type money.

IF and when he leaves we will have returned to the national stage and will be able to make a quality hire.

So, however it works out we will be just fine. Let's just enjoy the ride.

this is either the dumbest post in the history of syracusefan.com or the smartest post in the history of syracusefan.com.

i vote smartest.

 

[anomander]

It’s strange that people actually believe this

 

[Alsacs]

It’s strange that people actually believe this

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Holy Chit this is just stupid. Syracuse isn't a midmajor. Crazy how dumb these "experts" are.

Now here is a darkhorse if Lincoln Riley leaves Oklahoma for the Dallas Cowboys and that causes a real good job to open up. Okay but Purdue/Louisville/BYU/Illinois/North Carolina OMG just stop idiots.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Holy Chit this is just stupid. Syracuse isn't a midmajor. Crazy how dumb these "experts" are.

Now here is a darkhorse if Lincoln Riley leaves Oklahoma for the Dallas Cowboys and that causes a real good job to open up. Okay but Purdue/Louisville/BYU/Illinois/North Carolina OMG just stop idiots.

Agree 100%. when USC or Oklahoma opens up then we will most likely have an issue. ton of USC chatter if they fire their coach

 

[tep624]

In what freaking universe is the Purdue job better than the Syracuse job currently?

I really am at a loss here.

 

[CarolinaCuse]

Holy Chit this is just stupid. Syracuse isn't a midmajor. Crazy how dumb these "experts" are.

Now here is a darkhorse if Lincoln Riley leaves Oklahoma for the Dallas Cowboys and that causes a real good job to open up. Okay but Purdue/Louisville/BYU/Illinois/North Carolina OMG just stop idiots.

It’s people who have no understanding or appreciation of Syracuse’s history. These are people making suggestions that don’t know we’ve won a National Championship, have had a Heisman Trophy winner, and don’t know we’ve put a significant number of pros in the Pro Football HoF. The three things I’ve listed are enough to AT LEAST have have Syracuse in consideration to be a football school (despite contemporary perceptions).

 

[Cusefan0307]

It’s people who have no understanding or appreciation of Syracuse’s history. These are people making suggestions that don’t know we’ve won a National Championship, have had a Heisman Trophy winner, and don’t know we’ve put a significant number of pros in the Pro Football HoF. The three things I’ve listed are enough to AT LEAST have have Syracuse in consideration to be a football school (despite contemporary perceptions).

What’s Thamel’s excuse then?

 

[CarolinaCuse]

What’s Thamel’s excuse then?

Jaded ex-girlfriend syndrome?