Penalties per game under Dino

[cuse309]

Couple of points. First, it is hard to find hard and fast rules when it comes to penalties. There are so many variables that the data does suggest any single reason.

The coaching correlation is not readily apparent.

However, the service academy culture of discipline is a constant. All three academies are among the best every year.
I used to get upset with Marrone's teams' penalties but after looking at the data I realized it was not as simple as coaching emphasis.

Marrone used to say that he didn't get upset about certain penalties because he didn't want to kill an aggressive players style.

Anecdotally, it seems to me the less talented players seem to commit the types of penalties to which I referred. Just a feeling.

One thing seems certain - the best coached teams don't necessarily have lower levels of penalties.

But how do you explain that teams coached by Dino, consistently over his career, end up ranking below 100 in penalties. That's our of like 133. He's the only common denominator.

 

[ECE '76]

Dino, dumb penalties, and will it ever change

A lot of talk on here on why for 8 years Dino's teams have been undisciplined, committing dumb penalties, giving games away as opposed to making it as difficult as possible for the opponent to beat SU, and SU not beating itself. Dino is proud to say he'll always be a player's coach. I don't know if Dick MacPherson was considered a player's coach, although I've heard from players he coached that they absolutely loved the guy.


Don McPherson tells a story here that I never heard before. After the home loss to Rutgers in 1986, Dick MacPherson held a meeting on Sunday with no other coaches present. First he met with the defense, and then with the offense.

"Mac was just ripping them [the defense] to shreds" [for 2 hours].

"Mac ripped every single player [on offense] to shreds". "...a 2 1/2 hour tongue lashing" "That was the turning point going into '87".

The players did not understand the concept that every little thing you did affected all the other players and the team. It took a full off-season for the team to rehabilitate itself and start hitting its optimum play.

Obviously, whatever Dino is doing is not working. Maybe he's not even addressing this problem since it's been going on quite consistently. Even our SR defensive captain hasn't learned this. I'm not sure I can see Dino ever doing what Mac did in those meetings.

Yes, it's true, the players have options to walk nowadays. Mac made a teaching moment around this and it became the fabric of every member of the team, not just an after thought. I do think it is rare to find a coach who can get a team to play with control and discipline and then simply wait for the other team to give the game away. Rollie Massimino definitely had it; and that's how they beat G-town in the national title game. SU football did have it under MacPherson.

 

[All4SU]

I honestly don’t believe refs care who wins and who loses. They just want to call a clean game.

At the same time, I guarantee you all these refs study and discuss the “tendencies” of teams. And as a consequence they look for things they expect to be there. A team that has a tendency for stupid behavior after the whistle will have a shorter leash than a team that doesn’t. A team that is known to have lots of holds will be noticed more.

 

[All4SU]

KEEP GOING YOURE DOING GREAT

Now find out how many penalties Dino had as a player!

 

[Cuse181]

I honestly don’t believe refs care who wins and who loses. They just want to call a clean game.

At the same time, I guarantee you all these refs study and discuss the “tendencies” of teams. And as a consequence they look for things they expect to be there. A team that has a tendency for stupid behavior after the whistle will have a shorter leash than a team that doesn’t. A team that is known to have lots of holds will be noticed more.

Why would they do that?

 

[Eric15]

Update on our national penalty ranking in year one of Fran Brown. Obviously the season is still young and things can change, but as of right now we are more disciplined penalty-wise than any previous season under Dino, or any of Dino's seasons at Bowling Green or Eastern Illinois. We're actually above average right now.

2024 64th (out of 133)

2023: 117th (out of 130)
2022: 131st (out of 131)
2021: 71st (out of 130)
2020: 103th (out of 128)
2019: 129th (out of 130)
2018: 111th (out of 130)
2017: 84th (out of 130)
2016: 124th (out of 128)

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[upperdeck]

on offense the pass has slowed down. we have run a bunch of plays but thats more of function of making 1st downs than by going fast.

Lets hope the dumb penalties trend down for the whole season. That big one on the chop block in OT could have been a killer.

 

[albanycuse]

In Dino’s tenure I can’t imagine there being another coach who had more false starts registered against them. It was like a video game badddddd!

 

[rocklloyd]

we were trending in the wrong direction there for a period of time a few games back.

 

[Roger N]

I got college credit for a class where the teacher let us copy the answers from her book

I got a better story. I went to UB in the early 60's ROTC was mandatory. My fraternity brother Steve "Stinky" Mitchel was an officer in ROTC. I'm taking the final in a large auditorium and Stinky is monitoring the exam. He comes to my seat and say's "Let me see your exam Cadet."

I handed him my test booklet and ne looks at it for a few seconds and hands it back. Only it's his copy with all the answers marked. So for the first time in my life I cheat on an exam and change some answers.

I ended up with a "D" in ROTC and made the Dean's Other List.

 

[sdhall01]

In Dino’s tenure I can’t imagine there being another coach who had more false starts registered against them. It was like a video game badddddd!

Am I hallucinating that we opened a season with an illegal substitution or something like that a few years back?

 

[SUFaninNJ]

I think Dino also lead the country in penalties coming out of time outs. How in the world could we get a delay of game coming out of a time out? Yet, more than once they were able to pull it off. Remarkable.

 

[lincolncuse]

I think Dino also lead the country in penalties coming out of time outs. How in the world could we get a delay of game coming out of a time out? Yet, more than once they were able to pull it off. Remarkable.

Pretty sure that play is the Scott Frost Special.

 

[DCUNITED13]

Just wait till we get the ACC Refs. NC State game alone should drop us to the high 90's.

(AND YES THERE IS A BIAS)

 

[kcsu]

I think Dino also lead the country in penalties coming out of time outs. How in the world could we get a delay of game coming out of a time out? Yet, more than once they were able to pull it off. Remarkable.

My favorites were the double time outs followed by a delay of game penalty

 

[Idiocuse22&]

I was curious how the Arizona offense was doing regarding penalties. So I "googled it" what popped up was a bunch of articles on how Arizona led the nation in penalties through 3 weeks. Gotten a little better since then.

 

[tbonezone]

My favorites were the double time outs followed by a delay of game penalty

yes. this. from the dude who supposedly brought us the hurry up spread offense.

 

[kingtidge]

yes. this. from the dude who supposedly brought us the hurry up spread offense.

Grandpa likes to take his time...

"Close your eyes and imagine we have the ball in the red zone... I call back-to-back time outs and then we get a delay of game penalty..."

 

[kirbivore]

Pretty sure that play is the Scott Frost Special.

The twins had their share of those too

 

[tbonezone]

at some point Dino surveyed the field and realized " dan villari is my QB ?" you know what dino ? that's unfortunate but it's entirely your fault. we paid you 4 mil to put together a roster that could win . now combine a lack of talent with dumbass coaching . aloha brah.

 

[kcsu]

yes. this. from the dude who supposedly brought us the hurry up spread offense.

Dino didn't process well under duress.

 

[orangenauburn]

I was curious how the Arizona offense was doing regarding penalties. So I "googled it" what popped up was a bunch of articles on how Arizona led the nation in penalties through 3 weeks. Gotten a little better since then.

So about the time they removed him as OC

 

[two3zone]

Update on our national penalty ranking in year one of Fran Brown. Obviously the season is still young and things can change, but as of right now we are more disciplined penalty-wise than any previous season under Dino, or any of Dino's seasons at Bowling Green or Eastern Illinois. We're actually above average right now.

2024 64th (out of 133)

2023: 117th (out of 130)
2022: 131st (out of 131)
2021: 71st (out of 130)
2020: 103th (out of 128)
2019: 129th (out of 130)
2018: 111th (out of 130)
2017: 84th (out of 130)
2016: 124th (out of 128)

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And substantially better than our average ranking the past decade.