Penalties per game under Dino

[OttoinGrotto]

Well, with Barron graduating those numbers are sure to improve.

It's sad but true.

 

[Libero2]

We finished the season 111 out of 134 nationally in penalties per game. Obviously a 10 win season was fantastic, but I hope we can improve upon this in 2025, especially with that daunting schedule. Penalties when they compile like that can swing a game or two in the wrong direction.

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College Football penalties per game, by team.

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This is a perfect example of how an elite offense (specifically QB) can make up for a lot of issues.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

We finished the season 111 out of 134 nationally in penalties per game. Obviously a 10 win season was fantastic, but I hope we can improve upon this in 2025, especially with that daunting schedule. Penalties when they compile like that can swing a game or two in the wrong direction.

College Football Stats - College FB Team Penalties per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football penalties per game, by team.

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I feel like penalties were not as OL-based this year as they were under Dino. Haven’t been able to find numbers on that.

 

[721Comstock]

I feel like penalties were not as OL-based this year as they were under Dino. Haven’t been able to find numbers on that.

Agreed 144%.

And not remotely as many false starts or delay of game penalties.

Clock management was infinity percent better under Fran vs Dino.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Looking back on the season, it‘s safe to say McCord is the reason we won ten games. I’m not sure how good we would be without him. Nixon also gets a ton of credit. He was great all year and he got this offense humming. I don’t want to minimize Allen and the receivers, but McCord was a difference maker. The offensive line also improved from last year and for the most part gave Kyle time to throw. Even that might be because Kyle got rid of the ball so fast. Defense was below average and special teams were a mess. Give Fran credit for building a culture and developing a baseline for moving forward. Remember Dino looked pretty good with Dungey too. Let’s see if we are a program or just a hot quarterback. Fran can recruit, but remember Wax, Bannon, Clarke, Gadsden, Peña and others were Dino’s recruits. We need to see what Fran recruits will become our next stars. To be good next year, Fran has to get some players from the portal. There’s too many holes on defense to rely on what’s already here. I’m optimistic about the program, but this team without Kyle makes me really nervous especially with next years schedule.

 

[dasher]

Looking back on the season, it‘s safe to say McCord is the reason we won ten games. I’m not sure how good we would be without him. Nixon also gets a ton of credit. He was great all year and he got this offense humming. I don’t want to minimize Allen and the receivers, but McCord was a difference maker. The offensive line also improved from last year and for the most part gave Kyle time to throw. Even that might be because Kyle got rid of the ball so fast. Defense was below average and special teams were a mess. Give Fran credit for building a culture and developing a baseline for moving forward. Remember Dino looked pretty good with Dungey too. Let’s see if we are a program or just a hot quarterback. Fran can recruit, but remember Wax, Bannon, Clarke, Gadsden, Peña and others were Dino’s recruits. We need to see what Fran recruits will become our next stars. To be good next year, Fran has to get some players from the portal. There’s too many holes on defense to rely on what’s already here. I’m optimistic about the program, but this team without Kyle makes me really nervous especially with next years schedule.

I agree with every word you just wrote

 

[anomander]

We finished the season 111 out of 134 nationally in penalties per game. Obviously a 10 win season was fantastic, but I hope we can improve upon this in 2025, especially with that daunting schedule. Penalties when they compile like that can swing a game or two in the wrong direction.

College Football Stats - College FB Team Penalties per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football penalties per game, by team.

www.teamrankings.com

I’m actually surprised by those results. It certainly didn’t feel like we were that bad with penalties. I also think there are a different kind of penalty. The pre-snap, formation penalties we consistently got under Babers were killers. Just guessing it feels like these were more evenly distributed from offense and defense. Plus Barron was solely responsible for at least 3 after the plays personal fouls that I can remember. Him and Ravian Pierce have to lead all-time in personal fouls.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I’m actually surprised by those results. It certainly didn’t feel like we were that bad with penalties. I also think there are a different kind of penalty. The pre-snap, formation penalties we consistently got under Babers were killers. Just guessing it feels like these were more evenly distributed from offense and defense. Plus Barron was solely responsible for at least 3 after the plays personal fouls that I can remember. Him and Ravian Pierce have to lead all-time in personal fouls.

I think the difference is we didn’t have four or five motion penalties a game. It seemed like every time we came out of a timeout we had a false start.

 

[sutomcat]

I’m actually surprised by those results. It certainly didn’t feel like we were that bad with penalties. I also think there are a different kind of penalty. The pre-snap, formation penalties we consistently got under Babers were killers. Just guessing it feels like these were more evenly distributed from offense and defense. Plus Barron was solely responsible for at least 3 after the plays personal fouls that I can remember. Him and Ravian Pierce have to lead all-time in personal fouls.

I think we did better avoiding stupid penalties except with the special teams units, which were historically awful.

We couldn’t line up for punts, even for the bowl game. Our return teams almost never had a good return but somehow managed to get consistently get called for holds or clips.
They never seemed to block anyone but still got called for penalties all the time.

Just getting rid of Vollono should take us from 99th to around 50th in penalties per game. He was a major destructive force to the program.

I have seen a lot of bad coaching doing my 50 plus years following SU football but I have never seen a worse coaching job than Vollono did with our special teams units.

It also took him a couple tries before he decided to go with the all conference placekicker from Cornell over the guy we had that was the worst placekicker in the ACC the previous season and a walk on who had never placekicked in college before.

I am sorry for Vollono’s family that he got fired but he deserved it. It is amazing he made it through the whole season. That was brutal to watch.

 

[All4SU]

Seems like we had a fair number of aggressive fouls - some stupid, some just careless, some unlucky. But PI calls, and penalties from guys playing hard, sometimes overly zealous.

 

[AngryOtto]

That OL was better in limiting penalties. Special teams seemed to have the most penalties. To many personnel foul penalties. Feel Fran will clean those up.

 

[orangenauburn]

Shocking. Once ACC play started our penalties skyrocketed.

Versus Georgia Tech and Stanford it was
Cuse 12
ACC 10

From NC State onward, in ACC play

Cuse 50
ACC 33

In this, only VaTech had more penalties than us in a game ( Cuse 9 VaTech 11)

So take that out and it is 41-22 disparity second half of the season.

Non Conference including bowl was
Cuse 27
Opponents 17

All told
Cuse 89
Opponents 60

Basically we averaged 7 a game to our opponents 4.5

 

[BKCuse]

Shocking. Once ACC play started our penalties skyrocketed.

Versus Georgia Tech and Stanford it was
Cuse 12
ACC 10

From NC State onward, in ACC play

Cuse 50
ACC 33

In this, only VaTech had more penalties than us in a game ( Cuse 9 VaTech 11)

So take that out and it is 41-22 disparity second half of the season.

Non Conference including bowl was
Cuse 27
Opponents 17

All told
Cuse 89
Opponents 60

Basically we averaged 7 a game to our opponents 4.5

These are enlightening to see. I didn’t realize we were still so bad with penalties.

We committed 29 more penalties than our opponents giving them somewhere between 150-300 additional yards.

Do we know breakdown of penalties called on our O vs D vs ST?

 

[ImperialOrange]

Shocking. Once ACC play started our penalties skyrocketed.

Versus Georgia Tech and Stanford it was
Cuse 12
ACC 10

From NC State onward, in ACC play

Cuse 50
ACC 33

In this, only VaTech had more penalties than us in a game ( Cuse 9 VaTech 11)

So take that out and it is 41-22 disparity second half of the season.

Non Conference including bowl was
Cuse 27
Opponents 17

All told
Cuse 89
Opponents 60

Basically we averaged 7 a game to our opponents 4.5

Thank you for taking the time to pull the numbers on this. My first thought after seeing this thread pop up was I'm not sure what our ceiling is with penalties given ACC ref bias.

This year seemed like we had a lot more oddball penalties called for formations vs obvious false starts, holds, etc. We got called for things that other teams prior (I guess Jimbo can do it but Fran cant) in bizarre ways. Equally we had defensive linemen held constantly so only getting 4.5 calls pg in our favor is wild. Only calls we seem to get are blatant false starts, PIs and players drug to the ground where refs simply couldn't ignore it.

 

[orangenauburn]

Thank you for taking the time to pull the numbers on this. My first thought after seeing this thread pop up was I'm not sure what our ceiling is with penalties given ACC ref bias.

This year seemed like we had a lot more oddball penalties called for formations vs obvious false starts, holds, etc. We got called for things that other teams prior (I guess Jimbo can do it but Fran cant) in bizarre ways. Equally we had defensive linemen held constantly so only getting 4.5 calls pg in our favor is wild. Only calls we seem to get are blatant false starts, PIs and players drug to the ground where refs simply couldn't ignore it.

I believe off top of my head we played four games where our opponents had three or fewer penalties. One game the opponent had one (Ohio)

 

[orangemass]

I feel like penalties were not as OL-based this year as they were under Dino. Haven’t been able to find numbers on that.

Yes false starts down

 

[orangemass]

Shocking. Once ACC play started our penalties skyrocketed.

Versus Georgia Tech and Stanford it was
Cuse 12
ACC 10

From NC State onward, in ACC play

Cuse 50
ACC 33

In this, only VaTech had more penalties than us in a game ( Cuse 9 VaTech 11)

So take that out and it is 41-22 disparity second half of the season.

Non Conference including bowl was
Cuse 27
Opponents 17

All told
Cuse 89
Opponents 60

Basically we averaged 7 a game to our opponents 4.5

Acc ref bias still a thing? I’ve been beating that drum

 

[ImperialOrange]

Acc ref bias still a thing? I’ve been beating that drum

Anyone paying attention at all sees it. It's wild but again it seems like we're giving them less obvious reasons thus they're getting more creative.

 

[upperdeck]

You would think that when we run a ton more plays on offense you would get more penalties.
And the reverse also true when you win the clock battle the other team might have less.

The breakdown might need to be off/def penalties vs plays run to really tell a story.

 

[Cuse1992]

Our ability to convert long 3rd downs made us think penalties were down...

Penalties also led to why we didnt blow out anyone on the schedule

I was generally impressed on how few sacks we took per game , when teams knew we were going to throw so much...

 

[Cuseregular]

Looking back on the season, it‘s safe to say McCord is the reason we won ten games. I’m not sure how good we would be without him. Nixon also gets a ton of credit. He was great all year and he got this offense humming. I don’t want to minimize Allen and the receivers, but McCord was a difference maker. The offensive line also improved from last year and for the most part gave Kyle time to throw. Even that might be because Kyle got rid of the ball so fast. Defense was below average and special teams were a mess. Give Fran credit for building a culture and developing a baseline for moving forward. Remember Dino looked pretty good with Dungey too. Let’s see if we are a program or just a hot quarterback. Fran can recruit, but remember Wax, Bannon, Clarke, Gadsden, Peña and others were Dino’s recruits. We need to see what Fran recruits will become our next stars. To be good next year, Fran has to get some players from the portal. There’s too many holes on defense to rely on what’s already here. I’m optimistic about the program, but this team without Kyle makes me really nervous especially with next years schedule.

we ARE most definitely a program trending in the right direction, however, next year won't seem like it. We all need collective football amnesia for the next 12 months and then we'll reassemble here in Jan 2026......

 

[rrlbees]

These are enlightening to see. I didn’t realize we were still so bad with penalties.

We committed 29 more penalties than our opponents giving them somewhere between 150-300 additional yards.

Do we know breakdown of penalties called on our O vs D vs ST?

O 42
D 35
ST 16

 

[All4SU]

O 42
D 35
ST 16

Now if we can just get someone to compare these numbers with the number of plays run by each unit.

 

[David321]

I can't help but to wonder if penalties are a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts; like once you get the reputation within the conference for having lots of penalties, the refs are more likely to call them. Like how it is in hockey with individual players.

 

[rrlbees]

Now if we can just get someone to compare these numbers with the number of plays run by each unit.

O 1,046
D 836
ST ???