Penalties per game under Dino

[Crusty]

I would like to think that 40 from Shafwr year one was after effects of Marrone’s discipline still being instilled in the kids. Ever then that it's been a complete show with the penalites

Hard to buy that since Marrone's record on penalties was not all that good. Besides, the 40 was three years after DM left. Most of his players had graduated.

Is it so hard to give Shafer credit for what he did well?

 

[Newhouser]

And yet if he doesn’t press , Klubnik will run the sideline or throw it. Honestly unless it’s completely obvious there is an unnecessarily hard hit , refs should be told not to throw that flag. Asking a defender in hot pursuit who may be making a play thinking the QB may throw it or run the side line, to suddenly stop his momentum when the QB goes out is just impossible at that level in my opinion.

He wasn't in hot pursuit. He had stopped, took a step and chest bumped him. Stupid, selfish and easy flag.

 

[NJneer12]

Over the past three head coaches, we have only had one season in the top 50 in penalties and we fired that guy right away!
I have a feeling penalties have a lot more to do with talent level, venue and competition than coaching. ( For example, last year Alabama was 123 and Tennessee 124.)

There are so many variables that I am not sure there is a simple explanation. Certainly, some programs such as the service academies do a consistently good job but that probably has more to do with culture than coaching.

When players can't handle their assignments they hold, grab face masks and put hands to the face. A lot of PI as well.

Other penalties have more to do with venue (we should know that more than anyone).
USC, (excess celebration), happen to every team.

Shafer
2015 40 of 128
2014 97 of 128
2013 108 of 125
Marrone
2012 114 of 124
2011 102 of 120
2010 98 of 120
2009 56 of 120

HMM...Looks like an ACC thing. Lol. As long as Cuse isn't a doormat, they throw the yellow at the orange.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Some penalties like holding and pass interference are going to happen, but the personal fouls and pre snap penalties under Dino have been maddening.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Some penalties like holding and pass interference are going to happen, but the personal fouls and pre snap penalties under Dino have been maddening.

I'd like to know how many of our penalties are false starts.
Last night when I briefly tuned in the ND Duke game in the first half ND already had 4 false starts.

 

[capeorange]

And yet if he doesn’t press , Klubnik will run the sideline or throw it. Honestly unless it’s completely obvious there is an unnecessarily hard hit , refs should be told not to throw that flag. Asking a defender in hot pursuit who may be making a play thinking the QB may throw it or run the side line, to suddenly stop his momentum when the QB goes out is just impossible at that level in my opinion.

Both players were already out of bounds and Wax's momentum was stopped, then he chest bumped him. Stupid play and easy to call.

 

[SmilinBob]

I'd like to know how many of our penalties are false starts.
Last night when I briefly tuned in the ND Duke game in the first half ND already had 4 false starts.

Along with that, how many are the same players? The booth said the ND guy struggled last week as well vs OSU.

 

[Eric15]

Both players were already out of bounds and Wax's momentum was stopped, then he chest bumped him. Stupid play and easy to call.

Exactly. It wasn't an accident where he couldn't stop. He actively walked up to the QB and was being a moron.

 

[SmilinBob]

The problem is that SU struggles get away with certain calls while others seem to. Could be my fandome here but I am curious on how many calls have been changed on instant replay in favor of SU vs against since being in the ACC.

 

[capeorange]

Exactly. It wasn't an accident where he couldn't stop. He actively walked up to the QB and was being a moron.

And if a team is highly penalized like we are, refs seem to notice and call the little stuff. Maybe it's not ACC bias but our own inability to clean up stupid plays.

 

[Eric15]

Out of curiosity, I decided to take a look at Dino's two years at Bowling Green. I feel like an investigative journalist right now.

Bowling Green:
2015: 126 (out of 128)
2014: 117 (out of 128)

 

[Cusefan69]

Both players were already out of bounds and Wax's momentum was stopped, then he chest bumped him. Stupid play and easy to call.

Fair enough, did not see the whole play from my seats, just the pursuit to the sidelines.
So people who want to blame Dino for the penalties, are you suggesting that neither he or the staff discuss these things with the players? Are you suggesting that they don't practice ball defense skills but rather interference skills? That they don't practice hard counts? That they don't focus on illegal motion? I mean at some point it's the players that have to execute things cleanly. Wax is a Captain, if the play happened as noted, then it's Wax who needs to own it.

 

[Ozone!]

Way too many penalties that kill drives!

The problem is that SU struggles get away with certain calls while others seem to. Could be my fandome here but I am curious on how many calls have been changed on instant replay in favor of SU vs against since being in the ACC.

Only when Dino challenged the calls. Yesterday he remained silent. Stick up for your players Dino!

 

[Entropic]

So Dino is the soft parent that never gives their child consequences and when they do they aren't actually bad enough to deter future bad behavior.

 

[capeorange]

Fair enough, did not see the whole play from my seats, just the pursuit to the sidelines.
So people who want to blame Dino for the penalties, are you suggesting that neither he or the staff discuss these things with the players? Are you suggesting that they don't practice ball defense skills but rather interference skills? That they don't practice hard counts? That they don't focus on illegal motion? I mean at some point it's the players that have to execute things cleanly. Wax is a Captain, if the play happened as noted, then it's Wax who needs to own it.

Since practices are top secret and closed, I can't answer those questions. If you look at Eric's posts above, you can see a definite pattern of consistently being being one of the most penalized teams which is a pretty clear indication of where the problem lies.
How many times have you seen a player take a seat for a play or 2 after a costly and avoidable penalty?

 

[gmoney44]

Exactly. It wasn't an accident where he couldn't stop. He actively walked up to the QB and was being a moron.

Wax has the talent to be captain but lacks the ability to control his emotions. He shouldn’t be a leader on this team.

 

[Cuse181]

The problem is that SU struggles get away with certain calls while others seem to. Could be my fandome here but I am curious on how many calls have been changed on instant replay in favor of SU vs against since being in the ACC.

100% fandom, there is no reason I can think of why Syracuse would be disproportionately hit with overturned calls

 

[Eric15]

The problem is that SU struggles get away with certain calls while others seem to.

Bob, every sports fan of every team on Planet Earth thinks they’re on the wrong end of bad officiating.

 

[OburgOrange]

Bob, every sports fan of every team on Planet Earth thinks they’re on the wrong end of bad officiating.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Out of curiosity, I decided to take a look at Dino's two years at Bowling Green. I feel like an investigative journalist right now.

Bowling Green:
2015: 126 (out of 128)
2014: 117 (out of 128)

journo

 

[Eric15]

I have a feeling penalties have a lot more to do with talent level, venue and competition than coaching. ( For example, last year Alabama was 123 and Tennessee 124.)

Crusty, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you arguing that more talented players commit fewer penalties? But then why do you reference Alabama who is ridiculously talented but was extremely penalized last year?

 

[tep624]

This is our national ranking in penalties per game since Dino took over.

2023: 117 (out of 130)
2022: 131 (out of 131)
2021: 71 (out of 130)
2020: 103 (out of 128)
2019: 129 (out of 130)
2018: 111 (out of 130)
2017: 84 (out of 130)
2016: 124 (out of 128)

This is a major problem, and could very well be costing us a win or two each season. In our two "good" years, we were still below average. In seven out of the nine years, we were absolutely horrendous. In 1/3rd of Dino's seasons, we were in the bottom five teams nationally in most penalized.

What on Earth goes on at our practices?

It’s not only a major problem it’s a chronic problem. And not the good kind of chronic.

Just like Dino’s decision making towards the end of halves. It’s never improved. At this point I just don’t think his programs are capable of playing clean games and I don’t think he’s capable of making good decisions consistently at the end of halves. We will be plagued by both while he is coach so get used to it.

 

[orangeinohio]

Wax has the talent to be captain but lacks the ability to control his emotions. He shouldn’t be a leader on this team.

Are there other incidents besides what happened yesterday?
I can’t remember him making other boneheaded plays.

 

[Xanadu]

And yet if he doesn’t press , Klubnik will run the sideline or throw it. Honestly unless it’s completely obvious there is an unnecessarily hard hit , refs should be told not to throw that flag. Asking a defender in hot pursuit who may be making a play thinking the QB may throw it or run the side line, to suddenly stop his momentum when the QB goes out is just impossible at that level in my opinion.

Honestly, go re-watch the play. Klubnik was five yards out of bounds and Wax decided to chest bump him and show boat. This had nothing to do with preventing the sideline and Wax was absolutely not in hot pursuit; it was an undisciplined play. Completely boneheaded, it made him look like Quay Walker for the Packers. A ton of talent, but just an idiot move for no reason. That's not what you want to see from a Captain on the team.

 

[Xanadu]

Are there other incidents besides what happened yesterday?
I can’t remember him making other boneheaded plays.

Wax and Barron are both pretty dirty after the play rubbing facemasks into the field (Wax) and being unnecessarily aggressive (especially on the sideline). The gator tackle Barron had against the Army WR last week was completely unnecessary and intended to harm him. Those are two captains on the defense. I wouldn't trade them for anyone as players, but aggression does not make you a leader.