Class of 2020 PF Isaiah Jackson (MI/SpireAcademyOH) to Kentucky

[Dcuse]

put another way name 5 good teams where our best player was under



You really should just quit. It will not end up good for you.

 

[HOFCeluck]

put another way name 5 good teams where our best player was under 6"-7".

I mean that’s entirely different from you said the first time, and I’m still not sure it’s accurate.

 

[Gabjon]

Good idea. People have been complaining about our skinny bigs who aren't very good over the past 4 years, our teams haven't good over the same time period, we missed on elites bigs over the pass few years, but one thing has nothing to do with the other...

Note: The one team in that time period have Tyler Lydon, the good team before that Jerami Grant, and CJ Fair.

 

[Gabjon]

I mean that’s entirely different from you said the first time, and I’m still not sure it’s accurate.

You are right. It was a poorly written post. Our system is about the frontline. That is why IJ is so critical.

 

[chugg21]

Is Andre Jackson a big time contributor at #70?

Board seemed to think he was some superstar all the way up to the last few weeks. I personally don't get excited about basketball players who's main weakness is that they can't shoot.

 

[chugg21]

Little misleading to cal Richmond a “backup plan.”

I don't know what else to call it. His recruitment ramped up at the same time it was looking like Jackson wasn't coming. Was that just by coincidence? Perhaps but unlikely.

 

[Cusesky8214]

I don't know what else to call it. His recruitment ramped up at the same time it was looking like Jackson wasn't coming. Was that just by coincidence? Perhaps but unlikely.

He absolutely was our staff's backup plan. I'm not saying he is a backup plan as a player because honestly he looks like the better all around player to me...but to call it anything else is delusional. We thought we had andre until we didnt. That's when we went after kadary. Its pretty simple and I'm not sure how anyone can look at it any other way? Our staff prioritized Andre over the likes of Kadary as well as others...he was option A for our staff. When that didnt work they went to option B. Lucky for us option B is niceee and the staff probably should of prioritized him to begin with because he definitely isnt no B type player!

 

[Orangezoo]

You are right. It was a poorly written post. Our system is about the frontline. That is why IJ is so critical.

This argument goes both ways. Our best teams have had high level players both at guard and in the frontcourt. You really can argue it either way. We haven't won with just good frontcourt players and poor guard play or visa versa.

It's really always been about having balance talent wise vs being a 4 guard type of team or a team that relies primarily on post play/bigs.

 

[AlpharettaCuse]

Board seemed to think he was some superstar all the way up to the last few weeks.

But that doesn’t matter right?

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don't know what else to call it. His recruitment ramped up at the same time it was looking like Jackson wasn't coming. Was that just by coincidence? Perhaps but unlikely.

I mean he was plan B to Andre Jackson. That’s obvious.

But in the context of your original post saying that there’s a lot of backup plans who have not been successful I don’t think that’s fair to Kadaray Richmond because he’s clearly a the same caliber player as Jackson. And just like inviting a girl on your boat calling him a “backup plan” has implications.

 

[chugg21]

I mean he was plan B to Andre Jackson. That’s obvious.

But in the context of your original post saying that there’s a lot of backup plans who have not been successful I don’t think that’s fair to Kadaray Richmond because he’s clearly a the same caliber player as Jackson. And just like inviting a girl on your boat calling him a “backup plan” has implications.

That was in response to one of the typical posts that uses Warrick as the rule rather than exception.

 

[chugg21]

But that doesn’t matter right?

I don't know if you are trying to talk in circles or what. I certainly put more stock into the rankings on sites of guys that do it for a living than fanboys on message boards that have blinders on and think every highly ranked guy is going to have their jersey retired and every lower ranked guy is a steal. Jackson is what he is. He is an exceptional athlete with good length that is not going to develop into even an average shooter in the next few years. I personally have had my fill the past few years with guys like Tyus, Frank and Oshae shooting 10-15 3s a game at a 30% clip.

 

[longtimefan]

put another way name 5 good teams where our best player was under 6"-7".

Off the top of my head--GMac as a senior, Ennis's one season, and Pearl's 3 years.

 

[Gabjon]

This argument goes both ways. Our best teams have had high level players both at guard and in the frontcourt. You really can argue it either way. We haven't won with just good frontcourt players and poor guard play or visa versa.

It's really always been about having balance talent wise vs being a 4 guard type of team or a team that relies primarily on post play/bigs.

I agree to a degree. You can't play a good zone playing small, if your bigs can't play than your offense will suffer, but you can play a pressure man to man with 4 guards and a big.

For example people complain about the lack of ball movement the last few years, but if you a playing two guys who can't score when they get the ball the defense will force them to shoot or your better players will get the ball in a non scoring position against the clock.

I like the zone but you can only have one none scoring threat who is basically a screener dunker person.

 

[Gabjon]

Off the top of my head--GMac as a senior, Ennis's one season, and Pearl's 3 years.

Gmac senior year was not a good team. He had one of the greatest runs in BET history or we are a NIT team. Grant was better than Ennis, and Pearl has his number on the court plus we played at least 50% man back then probably more.

 

[AlpharettaCuse]

I don't know if you are trying to talk in circles or what. I certainly put more stock into the rankings on sites of guys that do it for a living than fanboys on message boards that have blinders on and think every highly ranked guy is going to have their jersey retired and every lower ranked guy is a steal. Jackson is what he is. He is an exceptional athlete with good length that is not going to develop into even an average shooter in the next few years. I personally have had my fill the past few years with guys like Tyus, Frank and Oshae shooting 10-15 3s a game at a 30% clip.

It sounds like we agree that Andre was probably not a big time contributor at #70? Your rankings experts are dropping him like a stone, yes? It also sounds like we agree that we probably got a better all around player in Richmond, right? After all, your rankings experts are taking notice and moving him up your rankings lists.

 

[Orangezoo]

I agree to a degree. You can't play a good zone playing small, if your bigs can't play than your offense will suffer, but you can play a pressure man to man with 4 guards and a big.

For example people complain about the lack of ball movement the last few years, but if you a playing two guys who can't score when they get the ball the defense will force them to shoot or your better players will get the ball in a non scoring position against the clock.

I like the zone but you can only have one none scoring threat who is basically a screener dunker person.

I think you also have to admit the game is changing and the ACC is a different animal too. You have to be able to score. Eve with an extremely active zone, you are facing teams night in night out who move the ball well, have more than one shooter and play good enough defense that you need more options who are a threat on the floor to score. Since we have been in the ACC we have had too many teams only good at one or the other vs both.

The 3pt shot has come full circle from revolutionizing the game to now being a primary source of strategy on offense and defense. Be good enough on defense but good on offense.

 

[MSOrange]

I'm going to assume no updates on Isaiah Jackson?

 

[chugg21]

It sounds like we agree that Andre was probably not a big time contributor at #70? Your rankings experts are dropping him like a stone, yes? It also sounds like we agree that we probably got a better all around player in Richmond, right? After all, your rankings experts are taking notice and moving him up your rankings lists.

I certainly wouldn't call them "My" rankings experts. I just take their opinions over the blinded folks here. Obviously trust the coaches more than either though I'd have some more faith if they could realize that lead guards are the most important players in college basketball and it's not particularly close. Rather take a flyer on a 5'11 pg that demonstrates floor general abilities than anymore on 7 footers that have feet for hands. Sure Howard Washington hasn't worked out great and probably won't but still rather take a shot on him than Chinoso.

 

[Gabjon]

I think you also have to admit the game is changing and the ACC is a different animal too. You have to be able to score. Eve with an extremely active zone, you are facing teams night in night out who move the ball well, have more than one shooter and play good enough defense that you need more options who are a threat on the floor to score. Since we have been in the ACC we have had too many teams only good at one or the other vs both.

The 3pt shot has come full circle from revolutionizing the game to now being a primary source of strategy on offense and defense. Be good enough on defense but good on offense.

Agreed! That is why IJ is so critical and why Richmond and Newton are great gets for our program. The only issue I have with 3s is misses lead to beating the zone down the court, so we need to be carefully with how any we shoot and who shoots them.

 

[AZOrange]

Looks like O79 needs to get in here and do some damage

 

[walsh2012]

Looks like O79 needs to get in here and do some damage

they're really getting their money's worth out of him

 

[Sherman20]

LOL! Most of those players played big times bigs, look at Gmac he struggled his senior because Hak was gone and Watkins and Roberts under performed. Sherm played with DC,etc. Villanova won a NC playing 4 guards and a stretch 4 that is not our system. I'M SAYING WE ONLY HAD 5 GOOD PLAYERS UNDER 6'-7".

What are you talking about? Yes our system requires long and athletic front court players to execute. That’s indisputable. But not sure I’d say they need to be elite, just very good and experienced (see 2009-2010). We’ve also most definitely had more than 5 “good players” under 6’7” in our history! No idea what you’re getting at with that statement.

 

[AlpharettaCuse]

I certainly wouldn't call them "My" rankings experts. I just take their opinions over the blinded folks here. Obviously trust the coaches more than either though I'd have some more faith if they could realize that lead guards are the most important players in college basketball and it's not particularly close. Rather take a flyer on a 5'11 pg that demonstrates floor general abilities than anymore on 7 footers that have feet for hands. Sure Howard Washington hasn't worked out great and probably won't but still rather take a shot on him than Chinoso.

But their opinions change quite a lot. Andre Jackson was ranked in the 30's at one point, now 70? Tyus Battle was Top 15 and ended up around 35. Kadary Richmond moved up 200 spots? Who are these experts you believe in anyway? Eric Bossi? Do you even know them? Ho w are they qualified to scout these kids?

We recruited Quade Green and Alterique Gilbert, both 6-0 point guards.

 

[dasher]

I don't know if you are trying to talk in circles or what. I certainly put more stock into the rankings on sites of guys that do it for a living than fanboys on message boards that have blinders on and think every highly ranked guy is going to have their jersey retired and every lower ranked guy is a steal. Jackson is what he is. He is an exceptional athlete with good length that is not going to develop into even an average shooter in the next few years. I personally have had my fill the past few years with guys like Tyus, Frank and Oshae shooting 10-15 3s a game at a 30% clip.

Honestly, I think Andre could only dream of being the shooter Tyus, Frank and Oshae are.