Class of 2023 PF Jerry Deng (NY / GA) Portal to NC State

[Sherman20]

I think it’s an unforced error to prioritize Deng, decide a few dollars we can afford is the difference between hiring him or letting him go… Then, instead of filling the 6th man spot with a proven scorer from the ACC, they get a scrawny freshman from the WAC instead, who will likely never play for Syracuse, for additional savings.

What are they saving money for? Red won’t be here next season if anything goes wrong. I’m sure the next coach will appreciate the extra NIL money…

I agree, but I also understand that we can’t give Deng $1 million or more, hypothetically, if we’re only giving JJ and Kingz like $1 million or less, hypothetically. I just don’t know if the numbers add up. It seems like we should have a good amount of money leftover.

Posit that we have $10 million total for the roster between NIL and direct spending from the university (from the House settlement). That seems like what many knowledgeable people on here have been saying. These are some of the player costs I’ve seen thrown around here and online. Do people think they’re accurate?
Nait George = $2 million
Donnie = $1.5 million
JJ, Kingz and Kyle = $750K each? = $2.25 million
Souraye = $250K
Four Freshman = $1.5 million total? (Probably too high)
That’s like $7.5 million.

So shouldn’t we have like $2-2.5 million left? That’s a lot of dough. Shouldn’t we be able to pay for Deng or another stretch 4 and another center?

 

[CardiacCuse]

I agree, but I also understand that we can’t give Deng $1 million or more, hypothetically, if we’re only giving JJ and Kingz like $1 million or less, hypothetically. I just don’t know if the numbers add up.

Posit that we have $10 million total for the roster between NIL and direct spending from the university (from the House settlement). That seems like what many knowledgeable people on here have been saying. These are some of the player costs I’ve seen thrown around here and online. Do people think they’re accurate?
Nait George = $2 million
Donnie = $1.5 million
JJ, Kingz and Kyle = $750K each? = $2.25 million
Souraye = $250K
Four Freshman = $1.5 million total? (Probably too high)
That’s like $7.5 million.

So shouldn’t we have like $2-2.5 million left? That’s a lot of dough. Shouldn’t we be able to pay for Deng and another center?

theres really no way to evaluate the cap management econ of this era, is there?

its all shrouded in mystery

but, for me, looking at the roster...theres like 6 forwards and 6 guards...i see zero reason why we couldnt have 5 guards and 5 forwards ...and get an actual center as well...(if money is the issue with not grabbing another center)


the general narrative seems to be prioritizng PG and therefore not getting a center...but i find that weird. with 12 players on the roster...seems more than enough room for both center and PG

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Fran is making these kinds of decisions and he “gets it”. Red makes the same decisions and “he’s out of touch”.

They both have the same relative philosophy, just different budgets.

Red’s portal decisions last year were not good. This year Kline has helped and the budget is bigger. I’m giving the hoops guys some leeway.

I know its not what you meant, but the ultimate portal decision is always from the player. If guys weren't interested in playing for Red coming off his 1st year, we (evidently) did not have the money to sway them.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I agree, but I also understand that we can’t give Deng $1 million or more, hypothetically, if we’re only giving JJ and Kingz like $1 million or less, hypothetically. I just don’t know if the numbers add up. It seems like we should have a good amount of money leftover.

Posit that we have $10 million total for the roster between NIL and direct spending from the university (from the House settlement). That seems like what many knowledgeable people on here have been saying. These are some of the player costs I’ve seen thrown around here and online. Do people think they’re accurate?
Nait George = $2 million
Donnie = $1.5 million
JJ, Kingz and Kyle = $750K each? = $2.25 million
Souraye = $250K
Four Freshman = $1.5 million total? (Probably too high)
That’s like $7.5 million.

So shouldn’t we have like $2-2.5 million left? That’s a lot of dough. Shouldn’t we be able to pay for Deng or another stretch 4 and another center?

Are those numbers founded on anything? Not being snarky—just wondering if you've seen specific information.

This whole megillah is ridiculous. It's now a professional league, yet unlike every(?) other pro league, we can't know the salaries? So, a few insiders know some of the numbers, but not all, and then we get contradicting intel from insiders vs the AD? It has been declared here many times that 'money isn't a problem this year,' 'we have money,' and then the AD says 'we're not where we want to be,' and the story about the 'NIL tiers' comes out and people are still saying 'we're in a good place,' but also that 'no, we're not in the top tier, and we're not in the second tier, but we're solidly in the third tier,' and the third tier could have 200 teams in it...

I'm just going to stop calling this ridiculous/stupid/insane and start calling it "an adventure."

 

[cuseguy]

Deng wants to start. We want him as a rotation piece. This isn’t hard. Time to move on.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Deng wants to start. We want him as a rotation piece. This isn’t hard. Time to move on.

Have we already moved on or has he already moved on? It is funny because less than 2 weeks ago, a recruiting service stated Jerry Deng was 90-95%committed to Syracuse.

Funny how long that last 5-10% can take.

 

[orangefog]

Have we already moved on or has he already moved on? It is funny because less than 2 weeks ago, a recruiting service stated Jerry Deng was 90-95%committed to Syracuse.

Funny how long that last 5-10% can take.

I think both parties are listening to this today...

 

[kcsu]

I would have passed the minute he didn't take our offer.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Now I'm more concerned that he got time with Melo and some free autographs. Yea we're gonna need those back.

 

[Orangefizz]

I agree, but I also understand that we can’t give Deng $1 million or more, hypothetically, if we’re only giving JJ and Kingz like $1 million or less, hypothetically. I just don’t know if the numbers add up. It seems like we should have a good amount of money leftover.

Posit that we have $10 million total for the roster between NIL and direct spending from the university (from the House settlement). That seems like what many knowledgeable people on here have been saying. These are some of the player costs I’ve seen thrown around here and online. Do people think they’re accurate?
Nait George = $2 million
Donnie = $1.5 million
JJ, Kingz and Kyle = $750K each? = $2.25 million
Souraye = $250K
Four Freshman = $1.5 million total? (Probably too high)
That’s like $7.5 million.

So shouldn’t we have like $2-2.5 million left? That’s a lot of dough. Shouldn’t we be able to pay for Deng or another stretch 4 and another center?

I agree with your projections except I think JJ is getting about 1.2

 

[dasher]

I agree with your projections except I think JJ is getting about 1.2

a lot less

 

[Jake]

a lot less

I don’t know, but would assume around half that.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Just a guess, but I imagine JJ is our “cheapest” starter next year.

 

[Orangefizz]

I don’t know, but would assume around half that.

I wish all these payments were transparent but there’s no way I see JJ earning less than Will Kyle. JJ averaged 18/4/3 and was honorable mention all ACC. I think he’s somewhere between Donnie and Kingz

 

[Orangefan1]

Fran is making these kinds of decisions and he “gets it”. Red makes the same decisions and “he’s out of touch”.

They both have the same relative philosophy, just different budgets.

Red’s portal decisions last year were not good. This year Kline has helped and the budget is bigger. I’m giving the hoops guys some leeway.

On top of that anyone watching the games should of noticed the difference with intensity on defense and players were more or less playing up to their ability

 

[dasher]

I don’t know, but would assume around half that.

Just about right, Jake

 

[PeteCalvin]

I’m calling it…

The Jerry Deng thread is officially closed!

Thanks for nothing, unnamed agent.

 

[capeorange]

I’m calling it…

The Jerry Deng thread is officially closed!

Thanks for nothing, unnamed agent.

Had to give you the stiletto for that picture.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I wish all these payments were transparent but there’s no way I see JJ earning less than Will Kyle. JJ averaged 18/4/3 and was honorable mention all ACC. I think he’s somewhere between Donnie and Kingz

Would you want everyone at your job to know what everyone else was making? It only creates problems.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Would you want everyone at your job to know what everyone else was making? It only creates problems.

But, there are, typically, salary ranges for most positions. Job postings typically contain salary numbers. It’s not as much of a mystery in the corp world as here. Just now the speculation on JJ was double what was claimed as the reality.

Secondly, and more importantly/relevantly, we’re talking about sports contracts.

These are the salaries of Los Angeles Lakers players

Hoopshype salaries of Los Angeles Lakers players

hoopshype.com

This isn’t a ’normal’ job. Somehow, in the hundred years of professional contracts, problems have been dealt with.

How are college programs supposed to deal with the new and variable dynamics of this lawless NIL era? If you offer your own player a number, and they accept it in the first week after the season concludes… and then you only later find out who is leaving your program and the holes you Need to fill… and then a month later, new players are just entering the portal… and then a booster comes up with a mega cash infusion….

Why would you be constricted against what you could offer a player you didn’t even know would be available, with money you didn’t even know you were going to have? If you’re JJ and said I’m good with 650k in March, and then in April the team has a chance to sign someone who might make the difference between Bubble and an 8 seed, and that means the other guy gets more money than you… you’re going to try to renegotiate? Someone said something about holding out.… Okay, sure. Egos need to be managed. Like in every other sport. Baseball has guys making the all star team in their first or second years, making peanuts, while underperforming veterans make a mint from the DL. Thats just life (sports).

 

[jgeorge322]

So where else has Deng visited?

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Would you want everyone at your job to know what everyone else was making? It only creates problems.

Haha. Guess you never worked for the government.

 

[Fly Rodder]

“Just what I’ve been getting for the last two seasons,” explained Ruth with what he thought was a great show of patience, “$8o,ooo.”

“$8o,ooo a year! In these times!” expostulated one of the writers. Don’t be silly, Babe. Why that’s more than Hoover gets for being president of the United States.”

“What the hell has Hoover got to do with this?” demanded the Babe. “Anyway, I had a better year than he did.”

 

[PeteCalvin]

Had to give you the stiletto for that picture.

As you should have, but this deng thread deserved a mean, nasty mark of closure.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Were there problems with Donnie and JJ this season when Lampkin signed late and for 2x+ more than anyone else?