Class of 2022 PG JJ Starling (Baldwinsville / La Lumiere) Offered

[50YRsofCuse]

Of the three schools in the ACC, JJ Starling has the best chance to be the man at ND then at SU, and lastly Duke. While there are 10-12 players this year at Notre Dame, there can be up to 7 less next year based on expected graduation rate. Of course with the expected graduation rate and transition to the pro rate, Duke will probably lose 5-7 players also. ND unfortunately according to VC is not recruiting that many people at this time for 2022. Of course that could change with the portal.

Regarding Stanford and Northwestern, I have not checked their transition rates but I assume that JJ Starling would be the man at these schools also.

Good luck to JJ on whichever school he chooses. Still hoping for the Cuse (but I understand that hope is not a strategy).

 

[Dcuse]

We simply cannot recruit as well as we need to right now. And that will not change anytime soon. We don't need to be Duke / UK. But we should be pulling in 'tier 2' classes on a regular basis. Given how much PT may be available next year, it is very disappointing, and almost shocking that a hoops school with the pedigree of SU cannot really compete on the trail. Right now we recruit essentially like VTech, Iowa State - name any non-descript BB program.

I know, I know - JT is good, Cope is solid. Fine. But this was supposed to be a special recruiting year. It is average so far, at best. Assuming another local kids goes away, it is an 0-fer on big timers.

Again, this will not change with the current regime. Only new blood can fix this problem. We will be relegated to mid-pack finishes until the talent level improves. It is really that simple.

Way over the top comments. There have been disappointments but why take it to this level?

 

[Jeremy L.]

Disappointing if the ND news is legit. For a while now, we envisioned 2022 as the dream class. Don't fault JJ for doing what's best for him and his basketball career to make it to the NBA, but it still stings that we couldn't grab a kid from our backyard.

 

[721Comstock]

Disappointing if the ND news is legit. For a while now, we envisioned 2022 as the dream class. Don't fault JJ for doing what's best for him and his basketball career to make it to the NBA, but it still stings that we couldn't grab a kid from our backyard.

He never really came across as all that interested in SU.
I’m surprised we did well enough to even make it to “bridesmaid” position with this one.

He’s in Indiana now.
And has been for a while.
Maybe he likes it there?

IF we get Bunch and Brown, we literally have 1 pretty solid guy at each of the 5 positions.

No, it’s not the dream class we envisioned when Dior was theoretically part of it, but those new guys, along with potentially some or all of:
Joe, Symir, Benny, Jesse, Frankie returning, and we’ll be cooking with gas!!

 

[50YRsofCuse]

We simply cannot recruit as well as we need to right now. And that will not change anytime soon. We don't need to be Duke / UK. But we should be pulling in 'tier 2' classes on a regular basis. Given how much PT may be available next year, it is very disappointing, and almost shocking that a hoops school with the pedigree of SU cannot really compete on the trail. Right now we recruit essentially like VTech, Iowa State - name any non-descript BB program.

I know, I know - JT is good, Cope is solid. Fine. But this was supposed to be a special recruiting year. It is average so far, at best. Assuming another local kids goes away, it is an 0-fer on big timers.

Again, this will not change with the current regime. Only new blood can fix this problem. We will be relegated to mid-pack finishes until the talent level improves. It is really that simple.

It is a special recruiting year. That is for Kentucky and Duke with 4-6 top 30 recruits each.

what could have been for Syracuse changed with recruits immaturity, their handlers desires, with their interpretation of NIL and perhaps better perceived opportunities.

At one time, we had a strong possibility of a class of Dior Johnson, Zion Cruz, Chance Westry and Justin Taylor with an outside chance at Donovan Clingam.

Then we had a chance of JJ Starling, Kyle FilipowskI, Chance Westry, Kamari Lands, Justin Taylor and Quadir Copeland.

Now we have our best chance at Quadir Copeland, Justin Taylor, Peter Carey, Malik Brown, Chris Bunch and still JJ Starling.

Give them credit, Our coaching staff have been busy recruiting and are resilient in recovering from recruiting losses.

 

[dasher]

History says it is wise to listen to what dasher says about where recruits might be headed.

I hope JJ does well there. Sounds like he wanted to be 'the man' more than he wanted to win or prepare for pro ball. He will get his wish at ND.

I don't want it to be ND. Just that I was worried about them almost from the start.

 

[Bulldog04]

Don’t lose hope yet people ... and I can tell you for a fact all those predictions, no one knows a damn thing. I can ASSURE you of that

 

[RF2044]

Howzabout we see what the kid chooses before declaring that the sky is falling?

 

[pearl31]

Don’t lose hope yet people ... and I can tell you for a fact all those predictions, no one knows a damn thing. I can ASSURE you of that

so... buckle up?

 

[Orangezoo]

Don’t lose hope yet people ... and I can tell you for a fact all those predictions, no one knows a damn thing. I can ASSURE you of that

Wouldn't that be something then.. I'm down for a potential surprise

 

[orangefog]

Howzabout we see what the kid chooses before declaring that the sky is falling?

Where's the fun in that? We're dooooooomed!!!!

 

[DilemaCuse]

oof. was really hoping this class was gonna be the one to turn things around. I don't really count the dior loss. But at one time we were involved with Chance (out of our control), Zion Cruz, Kamari, Flip, JJ and it was exciting. Looks like we'll end up with a class of raw talent, ranked somewhere around 30th. A far cry from the top 10 class we were all hoping for for sure.

This is why you take stockpile talent when you can. Alot of posters on here said dont fill up in 21 because of 22

 

[AZOrange]

And the campus is beautiful. ND takes their education more seriously than any school I've ever been to.

Outside of Georgetown, Pitt, Uconn I still dislike them the most though.

But other than that…

 

[AZOrange]

We simply cannot recruit as well as we need to right now. And that will not change anytime soon. We don't need to be Duke / UK. But we should be pulling in 'tier 2' classes on a regular basis. Given how much PT may be available next year, it is very disappointing, and almost shocking that a hoops school with the pedigree of SU cannot really compete on the trail. Right now we recruit essentially like VTech, Iowa State - name any non-descript BB program.

I know, I know - JT is good, Cope is solid. Fine. But this was supposed to be a special recruiting year. It is average so far, at best. Assuming another local kids goes away, it is an 0-fer on big timers.

Again, this will not change with the current regime. Only new blood can fix this problem. We will be relegated to mid-pack finishes until the talent level improves. It is really that simple.

Huh? All three of our commits are really good players. Plus we will likely add Bunch and Brown. That’s a real nice class with the portal

 

[Orangezoo]

But other than that…

You can average 20 plus pts and put up tons of shots while winning 16-18 games. Again it's definitely high profile enough to be the guy and absolutely have the NBA's attention. Just not a place outside every 5 or 6 years that they are going places. Usually when they do it's also on the backs of 4 yr guys

 

[AZOrange]

Yeah, sure.

Basically Rutgers but with Touchdown Jesus

 

[AZOrange]

Howzabout we see what the kid chooses before declaring that the sky is falling?

This has been the most tight lipped recruitment I’ve ever seen. There’s no way that this got
Leaked to crystal ball guys now. No way.

JJ gonna stay home and fill the Dome!

 

[RF2044]

This has been the most tight lipped recruitment I’ve ever seen. There’s no way that this got
Leaked to crystal ball guys now. No way.

JJ gonna stay home and fill the Dome!

Agree 144%*

That's why it was comical when a few weeks ago, the Duke prognosticator said he wasn't going to Duke or Syracuse. He didn't know shiz.




* Royalties to 721comstock

 

[Cusesky8214]

Don’t lose hope yet people ... and I can tell you for a fact all those predictions, no one knows a damn thing. I can ASSURE you of that

You know, things were going just fine around here until you had to go and inject hope back into us...we had already accepted defeat and was well on our way to bashing our current class and the dome was collapsing on our heads...We didn't even get to the burning of JB at the stake and how he's asleep at the wheel part...should've waited until lunch time before sharing this tidbit!

 

[cali315phan]

No offense but you are making up your own math here. Just because you don't think the class is what we hoped it to be doesn't mean that when final numbers come in for Copeland and Carey that still land outside a top 25 class because you don't like it. 4 top 100 guys, irrespective of whether they sit 50-100 vs anyone top 30 is going to be a top 15-20 class no matter those 37 others. Look at the numbers and how they compute my Cincy example. You are conflating your opinion of the class with the actual numbers. We are 29th because Carey hasn't been rated yet. If he was and was top 100 we would be top 15 now by the numbers.

Now if you add a top 30 or 40 transfer now you are in business with a legit top 10 incoming class. Does that immediately equate to a top 25 team? No. You have to pull another good class in '23. Including getting a kid like JJ or Benny who is immediate high impact. You string strong classes together. One class rarely makes a team unless it's like a UK or Duke class.

So again- drop the opinions out of your math. It's likely a top 15 or better class after we portal. We really would be best with Benny returning for continuity and then bringing in at least one top dog for 23.

As for the bubble team aspect- one of the key problems has been not getting what was expected from recruits and missing the type of players at key positions for our style of basketball. The center position well positioned for the first time in a while. We are bringing in a legit PG who has the size we want. We have a prototypical hybrid forward who is the highest ranked player recruiting wise on the team. We have added more shooting to the mix as a strategy but brought in a kid who does more than just shoot it. We have targeted another shooter and another multi year PF who fits the mold of an SU . These are things that are familiar to us in what was more successful years.

Making up my own math? I simply went to 247 and pulled their rankings. Those are some really nice orange glasses you're wearing, I hope you're right and this class does something. But its very mediocre compared to what we were all hoping for.

 

[Bayside44]

Basically Rutgers but with Touchdown Jesus

Right, they handpick their students and fees and get it all, and they place quite nicely in life. No offense to Rutgers. Honestly it's one of the greatest marketing moves in American history.

If this is the endpoint for JJ so be it. They seem to run a sane yet bland hoops program.

 

[dasher]

I think the ND predictions are just guesses. It may be ND. It may be Syracuse. But one thing I do know, no one that is making predictions can be sure of anything. JJ and his family have kept this closer to the vest than the allies did with the D-Day invasion.

 

[Bayside44]

I grew up Catholic, btw, and went to Catholic school when I was younger. And my cousin went to Notre Dame, so I’ve stayed on the campus before. I was actually there when they were filming Rudy! ND doesn’t feel secular AT ALL. I found it to be a very regressive, bizarre place. They have all kinds of strict rules, drinking is forbidden, dorms are segregated between men and women, parietals force students of the opposite gender out of the dorms by midnight (and there are harsh punishments for breaking rules), and it’s a really homogenous campus that lacks diversity. Anyhow, if JJ is choosing ND over Cuse, it sounds like he really wanted to go away to school. Good luck to him.

Rudy was a while ago I have plenty of friends who went to Notre Dame and have kids at Notre Dame. Their experience is no different really than anyplace else.

 

[littlereg]

it amazes me every time when people talk about class rankings as an opinion like there isn’t an actual math to it and the calculations are simply right in front of you. If we land brown and bunch with not a single Thing changing, our class wouldve been the 15th in the nation last year. That doesn’t even include Carey getting a ranking in the near future. Will our other players go up in rankings? Who knows but minimally with that class, we should be around top 15.

 

[Orangezoo]

Making up my own math? I simply went to 247 and pulled their rankings. Those are some really nice orange glasses you're wearing, I hope you're right and this class does something. But its very mediocre compared to what we were all hoping for.

Do the math then. You aren't getting it. I have no orange glasses on. If we have 4 guys who are top 100 plus Maliq our player average is going to sit around .94 or higher. When you factor total commits plus the average it's going to add up to a total that is in the top 15. Not sure what you aren't getting.

Like I said use Cincy as an example. .93 average and 3 recruits total and they are 16th. We get 5 guys and 4 top 100 with .94 average and that's gonna bump us over more than just Cincy.