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Class of 2022 PG JJ Starling (Baldwinsville / La Lumiere) Offered

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Coaches' 'feelings' are pretty much irrelevant.
I doubt the kid himself knows 100% which way he's going, and even if he feels a certain way on a Sunday, it can change on a Monday. I can't imagine what they go through. Even when i'm trying to decide on buying a guitar, i'll be dead set on one thing one day, and then change my mind twice the next day. And that process will go on and on for a month or two until i just concede to the strongest impulse because i got tired of the process... So, it's not a matter of the kid being disrespectful for taking a visit if he thinks he's 95% leaning a different direction. You do it because there are still dynamic factors at play, in the other schools still recruiting other players, because something you learn or feel in the next visit might be the overwhelming factor, because relationships you make during a trip might be the swing factor. You don't know, so you use all your opportunities to gather intel.

[I think. But, i'm just guessing.]
 
Pre-recruitment—did he frequent the Dome for hoops games?
 
Zelda Zonk said:
Coaches' 'feelings' are pretty much irrelevant.
I doubt the kid himself knows 100% which way he's going, and even if he feels a certain way on a Sunday, it can change on a Monday. I can't imagine what they go through. Even when i'm trying to decide on buying a guitar, i'll be dead set on one thing one day, and then change my mind twice the next day. And that process will go on and on for a month or two until i just concede to the strongest impulse because i got tired of the process... So, it's not a matter of the kid being disrespectful for taking a visit if he thinks he's 95% leaning a different direction. You do it because there are still dynamic factors at play, in the other schools still recruiting other players, because something you learn or feel in the next visit might be the overwhelming factor, because relationships you make during a trip might be the swing factor. You don't know, so you use all your opportunities to gather intel.

[I think. But, i'm just guessing.]
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It is 100% disrespectful if the kid is 100% sure he is going elsewhere. I'm sure you have never worked in sales. Someone who spends your time when they know they aren't going to buy, is disrespectful of your time. The salesperson, or in this case the coach, could be spending time with someone who might actually attend the school. That isn't the case here. While I think he goes to Duke, we are very much in play here.
 
dasher said:
It is 100% disrespectful if the kid is 100% sure he is going elsewhere. I'm sure you have never worked in sales. Someone who spends your time when they know they aren't going to buy, is disrespectful of your time. The salesperson, or in this case the coach, could be spending time with someone who might actually attend the school. That isn't the case here. While I think he goes to Duke, we are very much in play here.
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Well, that's sorta the point. Is someone ever "100% sure," and even if so, for how long. As i noted in my post, i've been "100% sure of things" one minute as a 'consumer,' and then changed my mind or come across new 'intel' that was compelling enough to change my mind. I don't believe in absolutes like this. "100% sure" in the mind of an 18 year old being recruited/courted by multiple high-profile institutions/coaches, and friends, and being influenced by family, etc is not actually 100%.

I work in advertising/marketing, and my degree is in psychology, but no, i've never sold aluminum siding, if that would have validated my concern or opinion. This isn't like going to a Porsche dealership for a test drive when you only have Kia money.

Either way, i wonder if the staff feels the same way as you do, that entertaining a kid who may have already made up his mind is a complete waste of time and an 'insult.' Personally, i might welcome the opportunity to change a mind. And seeing as how we've been the beneficiary of players changing their minds even after commitments, or in transfers subsequently, i'd probably embrace an opportunity at any stage to strengthen relationships.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
Well, that's sorta the point. Is someone ever "100% sure," and even if so, for how long. As i noted in my post, i've been "100% sure of things" one minute as a 'consumer,' and then changed my mind or come across new 'intel' that was compelling enough to change my mind. I don't believe in absolutes like this. "100% sure" in the mind of an 18 year old being recruited/courted by multiple high-profile institutions/coaches, and friends, and being influenced by family, etc is not actually 100%.

I work in advertising/marketing, and my degree is in psychology, but no, i've never sold aluminum siding, if that would have validated my concern or opinion. This isn't like going to a Porsche dealership for a test drive when you only have Kia money.

Either way, i wonder if the staff feels the same way as you do, that entertaining a kid who may have already made up his mind is a complete waste of time and an 'insult.' Personally, i might welcome the opportunity to change a mind. And seeing as how we've been the beneficiary of players changing their minds even after commitments, or in transfers subsequently, i'd probably embrace an opportunity at any stage to strengthen relationships.
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I know that they do. And no one likes to have their time and efforts completely wasted, Try spending time with someone who isn't interested in whatever you are selling and get back to me. In that marketing, you spend a lot time away from your family on business with no chance of doing that business? If you did, I'm sure you would consider it time well spent.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
Well, that's sorta the point. Is someone ever "100% sure," and even if so, for how long. As i noted in my post, i've been "100% sure of things" one minute as a 'consumer,' and then changed my mind or come across new 'intel' that was compelling enough to change my mind. I don't believe in absolutes like this. "100% sure" in the mind of an 18 year old being recruited/courted by multiple high-profile institutions/coaches, and friends, and being influenced by family, etc is not actually 100%.

I work in advertising/marketing, and my degree is in psychology, but no, i've never sold aluminum siding, if that would have validated my concern or opinion. This isn't like going to a Porsche dealership for a test drive when you only have Kia money.

Either way, i wonder if the staff feels the same way as you do, that entertaining a kid who may have already made up his mind is a complete waste of time and an 'insult.' Personally, i might welcome the opportunity to change a mind. And seeing as how we've been the beneficiary of players changing their minds even after commitments, or in transfers subsequently, i'd probably embrace an opportunity at any stage to strengthen relationships.
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Case in point: Donovan Clinghan knew he was going to commit to UConn but still took trips to Syracuse and another place. At the time, it wasn’t sure but became evident real soon after his trip.
 
dasher said:
I know that they do. And no one likes to have their time and efforts completely wasted, Try spending time with someone who isn't interested in whatever you are selling and get back to me. In that marketing, you spend a lot time away from your family on business with no chance of doing that business? If you did, I'm sure you would consider it time well spent.
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You continue to espouse this completely binary perspective. That's fine—makes things easier to 'understand,' but you keep ignoring real world scenarios where other results actually occur. We've had kids commit to other schools and then commit to us. We've had kids commit to us and then decommit. As i said, "100%" is not "100%."

If you've got some sort of insider info about why he'd be 'definitely out' with us, then please share it.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
You continue to espouse this completely binary perspective. That's fine—makes things easier to 'understand,' but you keep ignoring real world scenarios where other results actually occur. We've had kids commit to other schools and then commit to us. We've had kids commit to us and then decommit. As i said, "100%" is not "100%."

If you've got some sort of insider info about why he'd be 'definitely out' with us, then please share it.
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Maybe you didn't read where I said exactly the opposite. I am not referring to JJ. Someone said that JJ saw us out of respect for us. I said that wasn't true. Although I would be somewhat surprised if he does go to Syracuse. Duke is just so hard to beat for a guy they really want to get. I simply pointed out that it is anything but respectful to waste someone else's time when you are 100% not going there or not going to buy their product. That isn't the case with JJ. Since you have never had your time wasted by such a person in the business that you are in, you couldn't possible understand that. If a kid or a person, wastes a persons time, that is time they could have spent doing anything else. Ranging from spending time with their family to prospecting with a potential buyer. It isn't that complicated.
As far as insider information, I have given this board more than my share. I am reluctant to do that publicly now for exactly the reason that I am now conversing with you.
 
Stewart was an example of a recruit wasting our time. He was never coming here and everyone knew it.
 
Is 100% sure the same as 0% unsure? Is 200% sure twice as good as 100% sure or only a tad more sure?
 
Zelda Zonk said:
Get out of town. For realz?
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why so surprised? Plenty of HS kids work at the dome. My kid sold programs at b-ball games for two years. I don’t know which concession stand is at 312 but maybe the Bville Booster Club had a stand. Most of them are outside organizations and they are responsible to staff them.
 
dasher said:
Maybe you didn't read where I said exactly the opposite. I am not referring to JJ. Someone said that JJ saw us out of respect for us. I said that wasn't true. Although I would be somewhat surprised if he does go to Syracuse. Duke is just so hard to beat for a guy they really want to get. I simply pointed out that it is anything but respectful to waste someone else's time when you are 100% not going there or not going to buy their product. That isn't the case with JJ. Since you have never had your time wasted by such a person in the business that you are in, you couldn't possible understand that. If a kid or a person, wastes a persons time, that is time they could have spent doing anything else. Ranging from spending time with their family to prospecting with a potential buyer. It isn't that complicated.
As far as insider information, I have given this board more than my share. I am reluctant to do that publicly now for exactly the reason that I am now conversing with you.
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No point in going through this with you. You're determined to cling to a condescending and ridiculous argument, where widget sales is the same thing as recruiting. Whatever. Not sure why you have such a penchant and affinity for making personal snipes when all we're doing is 'debating' semantics, 'child psychology,' and opinions. Not sure, either, why you need to keep telling me what i know about business or sales, but that's your level of intellect, i guess. I couldn't possibly understand it—okay, grand exalted one.

This is a JJ thread, so i'm talking about JJ, and my initial post in this line was not directly addressing you.

Your reluctance has nothing to do with anything i've ever said about anyone's 'insider information.' I have no idea who you are or what you may or may not know as fact. I don't particularly care, because 'recruiting inside info' is kinda like the old jokes about weather forecasts. Point is, i don't question actual information. I'm discussing concepts, and maybe you "couldn't possibly understand that." The concept that "100%" is not all you think it is.

You should prolly put me on Ignore, because it's pretty consistent that whenever you interact with me, it's obnoxious.
 
rrlbees said:
why so surprised? Plenty of HS kids work at the dome. My kid sold programs at b-ball games for two years. I don’t know which concession stand is at 312 but maybe the Bville Booster Club had a stand. Most of them are outside organizations and they are responsible to staff them.
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I'm not that surprised. I just think it's a 'cute' storyline, that's all. And i'm glad he's got a sense of what it's like to have 30,000 rocking in the Dome, rather than just three quarters of a Rutgers football loss.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
No point in going through this with you. You're determined to cling to a condescending and ridiculous argument, where widget sales is the same thing as recruiting. Whatever. Not sure why you have such a penchant and affinity for making personal snipes when all we're doing is 'debating' semantics, 'child psychology,' and opinions. Not sure, either, why you need to keep telling me what i know about business or sales, but that's your level of intellect, i guess. I couldn't possibly understand it—okay, grand exalted one.

This is a JJ thread, so i'm talking about JJ, and my initial post in this line was not directly addressing you.

Your reluctance has nothing to do with anything i've ever said about anyone's 'insider information.' I have no idea who you are or what you may or may not know as fact. I don't particularly care, because 'recruiting inside info' is kinda like the old jokes about weather forecasts. Point is, i don't question actual information. I'm discussing concepts, and maybe you "couldn't possibly understand that." The concept that "100%" is not all you think it is.

You should prolly put me on Ignore, because it's pretty consistent that whenever you interact with me, it's obnoxious.
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Yeah, it's all me. Put me on ignore.
 
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dasher said:
?? The coaches believe we are still in this. Quite frankly, they think it would be disrespectful to show up if you are still not interested. Had a current coach tell me this. They have better things to do than entertain any kid that knows he isn't coming here.
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I have heard this many times before with this staff.
 
SUFan44 said:
I have heard this many times before with this staff.
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I know you need to cut the emotional cord at some point but the way the transfer portal is nowadays it's realistically a game changer. Does recruiting a player ever end? They could graduate and still might have some eligibility left.
 
cliftonparksufan said:
I know you need to cut the emotional cord at some point but the way the transfer portal is nowadays it's realistically a game changer. Does recruiting a player ever end? They could graduate and still might have some eligibility left.
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Agree with this. I think it's far from a guarantee that if Starling were to go to Duke that he gets a lot of time his freshman year. You never know what could happen down the line. That's what happened with Swider.
 
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