PITT Round 2 Post Game

[HyattsCuse]

Does any decision need to be unanimous or just a simple majority? If simple majority, then quantity is irrelevant.

Quantity is still relevant with a simple majority. The bigger the board, the more votes you need to achieve a simple majority.

If we had a board of 7, only 4 would have to vote for a change. With 13, now 7 people have to be convinced change is necessary. I’d say needing 3 more votes is relevant.

 

[RF2044]

No, barring a change of heart from the non SU bball admin Red will be back next year. Could that change, maybe but I'd be very surprised

Then, the powers that be will have to deal with massively sagging season ticket sales, substantially decreased revenue, and growing apathy from the fanbase.

Decisions have consequence, and that will be SU's if [when] Red gets a third year. And when it is quickly evident -- say, by December 2025 -- that we likely aren't an NCAA team again, things will get worse.

Kicking the can down the road is a strategy, I suppose.

I just hope that we don't miss our shot with a couple of prospective coaches this off-season. That would be the most SU thing of all.

 

[orange79]

We're getting awfully close to information-shaming and "DuDe, WhO'S YoUr sOuRcE?" territory here.

Dial it back, folks.

 

[HyattsCuse]

I just hope that we don't miss our shot with a couple of prospective coaches this off-season. That would be the most SU thing of all.

This is my biggest concern. Just like free agency, the pot of available coaches changes on a year to year basis.

I’d assume JW is surveying the landscape of potential coaches even if we ultimately keep Red for another season. If he has 1 or 2 that he really likes that become available, I hope the timing works out that he has the green light to go get that coach.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Then, the powers that be will have to deal with massively sagging season ticket sales, substantially decreased revenue, and growing apathy from the fanbase.

Decisions have consequence, and that will be SU's if [when] Red gets a third year. And when it is quickly evident -- say, by December 2025 -- that we likely aren't an NCAA team again, things will get worse.

Kicking the can down the road is a strategy, I suppose.

I just hope that we don't miss our shot with a couple of prospective coaches this off-season. That would be the most SU thing of all.

There's enough time left where perhaps a complete collapse and missing the ACC tourney could change the calculus of a few people so It's not a 100% lock but again it would be suprising if he was not back. Certainly it's a calculated gamble by SU that could get off the rails quickly if next years team looks a lot like this current Rutgers squad does but they appear willing to give him a third year. Personally I think they would be better cleaning house but not everyone is at that stage. The good news is that the AD knows what he's doing, and I fully believe will make a really good hire if and when Red is let go.

 

[Scooch]

We're getting awfully close to information-shaming and "DuDe, WhO'S YoUr sOuRcE?" territory here.

Dial it back, folks.

Apologies. I believe what JeremyCuse is saying I’ve said all season that there’s zero chance Red is let go.

 

[phil77]

Then, the powers that be will have to deal with massively sagging season ticket sales, substantially decreased revenue, and growing apathy from the fanbase.

Decisions have consequence, and that will be SU's if [when] Red gets a third year. And when it is quickly evident -- say, by December 2025 -- that we likely aren't an NCAA team again, things will get worse.

Kicking the can down the road is a strategy, I suppose.

I just hope that we don't miss our shot with a couple of prospective coaches this off-season. That would be the most SU thing of all.

They are getting super close to destroying basketball like they did football. If they kick the can it will take more than one winning season to start winning the fans back. This decision is going to have long-term effects not just next year. It is a terrible short-sided decision to appease someone who it seems doesn't have a clue about modern-day basketball.

 

[Cuse4403]

Maybe I’m just delusional, but for as bad as this season has been, I still struggle to believe that Autry is *this* bad of a coach.

I know he’s a very smart guy. I know he knows the game better than 99% of people on the planet.

Most coaches are pretty average and can win if they have superior talent. It’s the real outliers who are exceptional or terrible. I want to think Autry is in the middle of the bell curve. Maybe I’m really wrong.

It's hard for me to look at the results and come to any other conclusion than he is just a bad head coach. We have a shot to lose 20 games this year for the first time since the 1960s. I think it would be only the second time in school history. I believe we are up to 18 double digit losses in the 59 games he's coached. So 30% of the time he's losing by double digits. The average loss in those games is 18.5. It's not like it was a close game most of the way and 4-5 FTs late pushed the total to 10 or 11. Great player, great guy, bad coach. #FireRed

 

[Toga]

I would not be opposed to having Fran Brown as a part of any future search committee.

 

[orange79]

I would not be opposed to having Fran Brown as a part of any future search committee hoops coaching staff.

Fixed.

 

[Toga]

Fixed.

DART instead of FART

 

[DilemaCuse]

Not there yet unfortunately. This team is still playing a half or 10 mins of hoops per game.

I expect the low point will be in the Players Era tourney next Thanksgiving where we finish somewhere around 17th-18th place after multiple blowouts during the week.

The shark being jumped will be the pain we feel during the noncon when we see a repeat of this year and then have to wait until the axe falls on Autry.

All during those weeks we'll have to listen to all the people screaming how they were right and gloating about how they knew Autry was not the right choice years ago posting over and over again.

I know, the Orange Nation clowns complain how they hate doing the show during basketball season. I tell them, get ready for another year of this and come December 1 next year it will be awful for the remainder of 26 season

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You seem like a good poster but no one to my knowledge made you the inspector general of syracusefan.com.

Scooch could actually name himself as arbiter of inspector generalship for syracusefan.com.

It's been a few years to my knowledge since anyone has exercised the self-appointed arbiter clause, but it's in the board charter.

 

[DilemaCuse]

My daughter has been a grad student member of the BOT. They care about athletics. When teams do well interest in the school skyrockets with applications and everything else that comes with it.

Its one thing to say it and another to show it.

If they cared, they wouldn't have hired a guy who at age 50 had never received a head coaching offer at the college level, nor was a head coach at even the high school level.

They would have done a serious national search.

I tend to think there are many things that are broken on the Hill, we saw that with the Judicial Review Board and LQA.

 

[Irishsecra1]

We are rapidly approaching the point where "anyone" becomes an upgrade over the current situation. Beyond that... who, other than Boeheim and Melo, is more of the face of Syracuse basketball for the last 20 or so years?

We are currently 11-17 coming off a 20 win season. Trending way down.
Siena is 12-14 coming off a 4 win season. Trending way up.

Watch a Siena game, those kids play with heart and treat defense as the be all end all.
Their last 2 losses were on last second shots.

Nobody on SU plays with heart anymore (with the exception of Lampkin most of the time)
Even Cuffe and Taylor seem to have lost their energy.
And the defense is beyond a disgrace.

And GMAC actually knows when to call a time out, how to call a successful out of time out play, and how to make half time adjustments.
No one can accuse Red of having those attributes.

And the talent at Siena, with the exception of Doty, is pretty mediocre.
And they have been more devastated by the injury bug than SU frankly.

Again, GMAC would have to be nuts to take over this dumpster fire when he has a chance at
Siena to learn and build a winning team from scratch.

Maybe in 5 years, but not now.

 

[AcAndAc]

Maybe I’m just delusional, but for as bad as this season has been, I still struggle to believe that Autry is *this* bad of a coach.

I know he’s a very smart guy. I know he knows the game better than 99% of people on the planet.

Most coaches are pretty average and can win if they have superior talent. It’s the real outliers who are exceptional or terrible. I want to think Autry is in the middle of the bell curve. Maybe I’m really wrong.

I am sure GERG was a smart guy. Won a few Super Bowls. Record breakingly terrible head coach. Not much of a coordinator post- Syracuse either. Scott Shafer was a very very good defensive coordinator and a very very inept head coach. And that is just Syracuse in the past 20 years. Do we need more examples? There are some people not cut out to be the head coach. Red is clearly one of them. I'd take my chances on someone that is a successful head coach at a lesser program (although probably already a better team, unfortunately) before another assistant.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

We are currently 11-17 coming off a 20 win season. Trending way down.
Siena is 12-14 coming off a 4 win season. Trending way up.

Watch a Siena game, those kids play with heart and treat defense as the be all end all.
Their last 2 losses were on last second shots.

Nobody on SU plays with heart anymore (with the exception of Lampkin most of the time)
Even Cuffe and Taylor seem to have lost their energy.
And the defense is beyond a disgrace.

And GMAC actually knows when to call a time out, how to call a successful out of time out play, and how to make half time adjustments.
No one can accuse Red of having those attributes.

And the talent at Siena, with the exception of Doty, is pretty mediocre.
And they have been more devastated by the injury bug than SU frankly.

Again, GMAC would have to be nuts to take over this dumpster fire when he has a chance at
Siena to learn and build a winning team from scratch.

Maybe in 5 years, but not now.

GMac will be HC after Hodgson gets SU off the mat and leaves for an SEC gig.

You all heard it here first.

 

[Red2003]

There's enough time left where perhaps a complete collapse and missing the ACC tourney could change the calculus of a few people so It's not a 100% lock but again it would be suprising if he was not back. Certainly it's a calculated gamble by SU that could get off the rails quickly if next years team looks a lot like this current Rutgers squad does but they appear willing to give him a third year. Personally I think they would be better cleaning house but not everyone is at that stage. The good news is that the AD knows what he's doing, and I fully believe will make a really good hire if and when Red is let go.

Well said, maybe I'm not so high on JW but still it's not rocket science, there's a huge problem.

If you asked me before Miami I would've said 1% chance Autry gets the chop end of year. After Miami it's maybe 5%.

Lose out miserably and miss ACCT maybe it's 20%. Mutiny with the donors and shotcallers maybe it goes to 40 / 60.

 

[Hopkins16]

I was wondering when the GMAC hate would return. Took longer than I thought.

It’s not hate. We need to go outside the family and find an experienced coach with the ability to recruit and restore the program. The only former SU guy that should be considered is Jason Hart. He has college and NBA experience and isn’t a JB disciple, so he doesn’t have that stench on him. I wonder if Jay Wright or Tony Bennett are itching to get back in the game?

 

[AcAndAc]

It’s not hate. We need to go outside the family and find an experienced coach with the ability to recruit and restore the program. The only former SU guy that should be considered is Jason Hart. He has college and NBA experience and isn’t a JB disciple, so he doesn’t have that stench on him. I wonder if Jay Wright or Tony Bennett are itching to get back in the game?

This is so stupid. Red's issues have nothing to do with being a JB disciple. Last time I checked, if it was not for JB, most people today would not care about SU Hoops. If Autry was half the coach that JB was, we would not be having these discussions.

 

[grepal]

There's enough time left where perhaps a complete collapse and missing the ACC tourney could change the calculus of a few people so It's not a 100% lock but again it would be suprising if he was not back. Certainly it's a calculated gamble by SU that could get off the rails quickly if next years team looks a lot like this current Rutgers squad does but they appear willing to give him a third year. Personally I think they would be better cleaning house but not everyone is at that stage. The good news is that the AD knows what he's doing, and I fully believe will make a really good hire if and when Red is let go.

Look, SU is not a state school. The pot of money is not, tell the state legislature we need more. I am not sure we want to be paying two head coach salaries at this time. These are bad times for hoops. By all accounts we have an excellent women's coach who does not have the resources to keep or get most of the players she wants. The men's team does not have the alumni support to compete dollar wise with Duke, or the Big or SEC Schools. I have no idea how our overall NIL compares to peer schools like BC, Pitt, or the other non- state schools with hoops and football. The boosters have really gotten behind football which is the economic reality of college sports now. Don't want to be left out in the cold, you better have good football with resources to sustain it.

 

[Toga]

Does anyone know if any legacy coaches hired had been previously recruited by other program(s)?

 

[BomberOrange]

Then, the powers that be will have to deal with massively sagging season ticket sales, substantially decreased revenue, and growing apathy from the fanbase.

Decisions have consequence, and that will be SU's if [when] Red gets a third year. And when it is quickly evident -- say, by December 2025 -- that we likely aren't an NCAA team again, things will get worse.

Kicking the can down the road is a strategy, I suppose.

I just hope that we don't miss our shot with a couple of prospective coaches this off-season. That would be the most SU thing of all.

Spot on. If Red comes back I am not and I am sure there are many others who won’t. The dome will be very empty and the BoT will be bewildered as to why. I can’t believe such educated people cannot see what’s right in front of them.

 

[jdubs30]

GMac will be HC after Hodgson gets SU off the mat and leaves for an SEC gig.

You all heard it here first.

If Hodgson was successful here and filled the dome again … i think we’d do all we could to keep him financially and the guy is from Olean. He has no links to any other major programs other than his 4 years at Bama.

I don’t think hed view us as a stepping stone

 

[HyattsCuse]

GMac will be HC after Hodgson gets SU off the mat and leaves for an SEC gig.

You all heard it here first.

A-State Head Men’s Basketball Coach Hodgson Receives Contract Extension - Arkansas State University

JONESBORO, Ark. (1/30/25) – Arkansas State Vice Chancellor for Intercollegiate Athletics Jeff Purinton announced Thursday that head men's basketball coach Bryan

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Hoping this is a good thing and he’ll stay there for a couple more years until we are done with the Red experiment.