Playoffs! The States

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THE STATE PLAYOFFS

The state playoffs began in 1993. The Classes were A, B, C and D. Class AA was created in 1996. There are 11 sections in New York State and their general areas:

Section 1: Hudson River
Section 2: Capital District
Section 3: Central New York
Section 4: Southern Tier
Section 5: Genesee Valley
Section 6: Western NY
Section 7: Champlain Area
Section 8: Nassau
Section 9: Catskills
Section 10: St. Lawrence Area
Section 11: Suffolk

Sections 8 & 11 do not participate in the NYS playoffs. Sections 7 and 10 have so few schools that they have no schools in certain categories and have preliminary elimination games to get their schools into the playoffs. In some years in some categories, the entry is just listed as “7-10”, implying that the sections were considered together and the best school from either was issued an invitation. Here are the won-loss records of each section in each classification in state playoff games, with the number of titles in parenthesis.

SECTION 1 Total: 149-81(25) Class D: 28-18(4) Class C: 40-14(8) Class B: 38-15(7) Class A: 25-19(4) Class AA:18-16(3)

SECTION 2 Total: 122-98(9) D:23-21(1) C:25-20(2) B: 25-21(1) A: 35-18(4) AA: 15-18(1)

SECTION 3 Total: 81-94(11) D: 20-16(5) C: 13-19(2) B:11-22(0) A: 15-21(1) AA: 22-16(3)

SECTION 4 Total: 89-92(15) D: 13-21(1) C: 25-17(5) B:34-17(5) A: 20-18(4) AA: 4-19(0)

SECTION 5: Total: 115-84(23) D: 22-18(4) C: 21-19(3) B: 19-18(4) A: 26-16(6) AA: 27-13(6)

SECTION 6: Total: 102-85(21) D: 26-15(6) C: 16-20(2) B: 22-18(3) A: 20-18(4) AA: 18-14(5)

SECTION 7: Total: 29-58(1) D: 9-20(0) C: 6-18(0) B: 14-20(1) A: 0-0(0) AA: 0-0(0)

SECTION 9: Total: 39-100(2) D: 9-22(0) C: 4-20(0) B: 6-20(1) A: 9-21(0) AA: 11-17(1)

SECTION 10: Total: 7-41(0) D: 0-1(0) C: 1-5(0) B: 4-13(0) A: 1-20(0) AA: 1-2 (0)

Comments: The best high school football in New York State, (north of New York City), has historically been played in Sections 1 ,2 and 5, (the Hudson River area and the Rochester Area) but Section 6 has been coming on strong in recent years. Amazingly, in 2014, the most historically successful section, Section 1, went 0-5. Central New York has been slipping badly in recent years but managed to its first state title since 2007 last season. The North Country just doesn’t have enough population to compete with the other sections and neither does Section 9, (basically the Adirondacks and the Catskills). The State Playoffs are set up on an East-West basis so Section 3 teams play Section 4 teams, against who they historically have been fairly well-matched, (but not recently: we are 4-16 in the last four years), and then play the winner of Section 5 vs. Section 6, which is tougher. Sections 1 & 2 get Section 7, 9 or 10 in the first round which is kind of a walk-over. Then they typically face each other in the semis. The teams in the “West” would seem to have a harder road than the teams in the “East”. They’ve won 70 state titles at all levels vs. 37 for the eastern sections. One wonders if, should sections 8&11 and New York City stop “playing with themselves”, there might be a “North-South” look to the playoffs and Section 3 might do better.

It’s interesting to see how some sections do in each class. Assuming that success rate is directly related to the number of schools in each class, Section 4, (the Southern Tier) has little to offer at the level of the smallest and the biggest schools but is pretty strong in between. Section 3 for some reason, is the opposite, the second best in the state in Class D and better than you’d think in AA but mediocre in C and less than that in A, where they won for the first time last year and B, where we’ve never won. Section 7, (Lake Champlain) is pretty good in Class B but lousy elsewhere, indicating that most of their schools are at that level. Sections 5 and 6, (basically Western New York), are pretty good down the line, as are Sections 1 &2, from the capital district down the Hudson.

Here is a list of the most successful teams in the state, ranked by victories in the state tournament, regardless of class, (many of them have played in more than one class). They are listed in order of victories. If that’s a tie, the first tie-breaker is state titles, (including large or small school poll championships from 1969-92) and the second the number of losses. I’m listing all the teams with 10 or more state tournament victories.

1) Chenango Forks (4) 23-9 (4 state titles)
2) Rochester Aquinas (5) 20-5 (6)
3) Dobbs Ferry (1) 19-4 (7)
4) Caldonia-Mumford (Section 5) 18-4 (9)
5) Rye (1) 16-5 (3) (Rye and Rye Neck are two different schools)
6) Tuckahoe (1) 16-10 (2)
7) Randolph (6) 15-2 (5)
8) New Rochelle (1) 15-7 (4)
9) Cambridge (2) 15-12 (1)
10) Maine-Endwell (4) 16-2 (5)
11) Jamestown (6) 14-2 (4)
12) Troy (2) 14-5 (2)
13) Hornell (5) 13-7 (3)
14) Harrison (1) 12-5 (2)
15) Webster Schroeder (5) 11-3 (3)
(Webster High School split into Webster Schroeder and Webster Thomas in 2002. “Webster” had won the 2001 AA title and when Webster Schroeder win the 2002 AA title all references I could find were to their winning their “second straight state title”, so I added Webster Schroeder’s record to that of “Webster” and gave Webster Thomas their own record. Webster Thomas is 3-2 with no title so the overall “Webster” record would be 14-5 (3) if you added them all together.)
16) Lackawanna (6) 11-6 (3)
17) Amsterdam (2), and Walton (4) 11-5 (2)
19) Edgemont (1) 10-2 (3)
20) Onondaga (3) 10-3 (3)
21) Nyack (1) 10-4 (2)
22) Monroe-Woodbury (9) and Syracuse CBA (3) 10-9 (1)
24) Leroy (5) 10-11 (1)

The New York State Sportswriter’s Association has had rankings since 1969. They include sections * and 110. Originally they ranked all schools together. In 1970 they were divided, (as they should be) between “large” schools and “small” schools. In 1988 they went to Class A, B and “C-D”. Here are the teams, (with section numbers) that won in the polls for the years prior to the start of the state tournament in 1993, along with the highest ranked team in the sections that now play in the state tournament if the top team was from sections 8 or 11 and the top-rated Section III team when not #1:

1969 Kenmore West-6 (Utica Notre Dame was #3)
1970 Large: Ithaca-4 (Auburn was #3) Small: Albany Academy-2 (Lafayette was #7)
1971 Large: Farmingdale-8 (White Plains-1 was #2, Corcoran was #11) Small: Pleasantville-1 (Cazenovia was #4)
1972 Large: Farmingdale-8 (Kenmore West- 6 was #2, Auburn was #6) Small: Pleasantville-1 (Solvay was #13)
1973 Large: Vestal-4 (Utica Notre Dame was #7) Small: Pleasantville-1 (Westhill was #12)
1974 Large: Syosset-8 (Buffalo-Canisius-6 was #2 Auburn was #5) Small: Monroe-Woodbury-9 (Oneida was #7)
1975 Large: Vestal-4 (Auburn was #3) Small: Croton-Harmon-1 (Ilion was #14)
1976 Large: Rush-Henrietta- 5 (Jamesville-Dewitt was #12) Small: Penn Yan-5 (Cazenovia was #9)
1977: Large: New Rochelle-1 (Nottingham was #9) Small: Caledonia-Mumford- 5 (Mt. Markham was #12)
1978: Large: East Rochester-5 (Rome Free Academy was #6) Small: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Oneida was #5)
1979: Large: Union-Endicott-4 (Liverpool was #2) Small: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Solvay was #3)
1980: Large: New Rochelle-1 (Rome Free Academy was #5) Small: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Ilion was #7)
1981: Large: Tie between Rome Free Academy-3 and West Islip St. John the Baptist-11 Small: Olean-6 (Solvay was #9)
1982: Large: A four-way tie between Shenendehowa-2, Liverpool-3, Bellport-11 and East Islip-11 Small: Penn Yan-5 (Herkimer was #10)
1983: Large: Tie between St. Francis Prep-NYC and Shenedehowa-2 Small- Tie between Dobbs Ferry-1, Albion-6 and Riverdale-NYC (Holland Patent was #12)
1984: Large: Tie between Shenendehowa-2, Williamsville South-6 and Bronx JFK-NYC (Rome Free Academy was #4) Small: Dobbs Ferrry-1 (Bishop Grimes was #17)
1985: Large: Binghamton-4 (Rome Free Academy was #8) Small: Tie between Dobbs Ferry-1 and Canandaigua-5 (Homer was #3)
1986: Large: Hempstead-8 (Jamestown-6 was #2, Baldwinsville was #13) Small: Homer-3
1987: Large: Liverpool-3 Small: Albion-6 (Indian River was #10)
1988: Class A: Hempstead-8 (New Hartford was #2) Class B: Plainedge-8 (Binghampton-Seton-4 was #2, Nottingham was #8) Class C-D: Taconic Hills-2 (Westmoreland was #5)
1989: Class A: Union-Endicott-4 (Henninger was #22) Class B: Johnstown-2 (New Hartford was #3) Class C-D: Nanuet-1 (Dolgeville was #8)
1990: Class A: Henninger-3 Class B: Garden City-8 (Canadaigua-5 was #2, New Hartford was #4) Class C-D: Watervliet-2 (Ilion was #3)
1991: Class A: Fairport-5 (Rome Free Academy was #2) Class B: Tie between Ossining-1, Batavia-5 and Garden City-8 (Fowler was #10) Class C-D: Watervliet-2 (Dolgeville was #3)
1992: Class A: Susan Wagner-NYC (North Rockland-5 was #2, Rome Free Academy was #5) Class B: Lynbrook-8 (Garden City-8 was #2, VVS was #3) Class C-D: Caledonia-Mumford-5 (Dolgeville was #4)

The following teams have won state titles, (I am including poll champions from 1969-92- if a poll champion was from section 8 or 11, I treated the highest rated team from sections 1-7 and 9-10 as the “poll champion“- if there had been a tournament in those years, they‘d have been in it and winning the poll was the equivalent of winning the tournament in those days):

Section 1 (Hudson River):
Bronxville C-2010 (1)
Croton-Harmon Poll-1975 (small) (1)
Dobbs Ferry Poll- 1983, 1984, 1985 (small) D-2002 C-2004, 2006, 2011 (7)
Dover C-1997 (1)
Edgemont C-1998, 1999, 2000 (3)
Harrison B-1999, 2002 (2)
Nanuet Poll- 1989 (C-D) (1)
New Rochelle Poll- 1977, 1980 (large) AA-2003, 2012 (4)
North Rockland Poll- 1992 (A), A-1993 (2)
Nyack A-2000, 2003 (2)
Ossining Poll- 1991(B) (1)
Pleasantville Poll-1971, 1972, 1973 (small) (3)
Rye B-2005, 2006, 2008 (3)
Tuckahoe D-2006, 2010 (2)
Valhalla D-1996 (1)
White Plains Poll-1971 (large) (1)
Yonkers-Roosevelt AA-1996 (1)
Yorktown B-1993, 1994 (2)
(That’s 18 schools that have won 38 state titles)

Section 2 (Capital District):
Albany Academy Poll- 1970 (small) (1)
Amsterdam B-1995 A-2005 (2)
Burnt Hills-Balston Lake- A-2012 (1)
Cambridge D-1999 (1)
Hoosick Falls C- 2012 (1)
Johnstown Poll-1989 (B) (1)
Queensbury A-2013 (1)
Shenendehowa Poll- 1982, 1983, 1984 (large) (3)
Taconic Hills Poll- 1988 (C-D) (1)
Troy A-1996 AA- 1998 (2)
Watervliet Poll- 1990, 1991 (C-D), C- 1996 (3)
(That’s 11 schools that have won 17 state titles)

Section 3 (Central New York):
Auburn AA-2006 (1)
Bishop Ludden C-2007 (1)
CBA AA-2004 (1)
Dolgeville D-2000 (1)
Henninger- Poll- 1990 (large) (1)
Homer- Poll- 1986 (small) (1)
Indian River- 2014 (B) (1)
Liverpool Poll- 1982, 1987 (large) (2)
New Hartford Poll- 1988 (large) (1)
Onondaga D-2001 C-2002 D-2003 (3)
Rome Free Academy Poll- 1981 (large) (1)
VVS- Poll- 1992 (B) (1)
Weedsport D-2004 (1)
West Canada D-1997 (1)
West Genesee AA-2007 (1)
(That’s 15 schools that have won 18 state titles)

Section 4 (Southern Tier):
Binghamton Poll- 1985 (large) (1)
Binghamton Seton Poll- 1988 (B) (1)
Chenango Forks B-2003, 2004, C-2013, 2014 (4)
Corning East A-2006 (1)
Delhi C-2001 (1)
Ithaca Poll- 1970 (large) (1)
Maine-Endwell A-2004, 2011, B- 2012, 2013, 2014 (5)
Sidney C-2005 (1)
Union-Endicott Poll- 1979 (large) 1989 (A) (2)
Vestal Poll- 1973, 1975 (large) A- 1997 (3)
Walton C-1994 D-2007 (2)
(That’s 11 schools that have won 22 state titles)

Section 5 (Rochester area):
Aquinas A-1998, 2001, 2002, 2007, 2010, AA-2013 (6)
Batavia Poll- 1991 B (1)
Caledonia-Mumford Poll- 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980 (small) 1992 (C-D), C-1993 D-1994, 1995 C-2003 (9)
Canandaigua Poll- 1985 (small) 1990 (B), A-1999 (3)
Clyde-Savannah D-1993 (1)
East Rochester Poll- 1978 (large) (1)
Fairport Poll- 1991 (A) AA-1997 (2)
Geneva B-2006 (1)
Hornell B-2009, 2010, 2011 (3)
Letchworth D-2011 (1)
Leroy C-1995 (1)
Penn Yan Poll- 1976, 1982 (small) (2)
Rush-Henrietta Poll- 1976 (large) AA-2010 (2)
Webster (Schroeder) AA-1999, 2001, 2002 (3)
(That’s 14 schools that have won 36 state titles)

Section 6 (Buffalo area):
Albion Poll- 1983, 1987 (small) (2)
Buffalo Canisius Poll- 1974 (large) (1)
Jamestown A-1994, 1995 AA-2000, 2014 (4)
Lackawanna B-1997, 1998 (2)
Maple Grove D-1998, 2008 (2)
North Tonawanada AA-2009 (1)
Olean Poll- 1981 (large) (1)
Orchard Park AA-2008, 2011 (2)
Randolph D-2005, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014 (5)
Southwestern C-2008, 2009 (2)
Springville B- 1996 (1)
Sweet Home A-2008, 2009 (2)
Williamsville South Poll- 1984 (large) (1)
(That’s 13 schools that have won 26 state titles)

Section 7 (Champlain area):
Peru B-2001 (1)
(That’s one school that’s won 1 state title)

Section 9 (Catskills):
Monroe-Woodbury Poll- 1974 (small) AA-2005 (2)
Roundout Valley B-2000 (1)
(That’s 2 schools that have won 3 state titles)

Section 10 (St. Lawrence area):
None

Section Three always starts out by playing Section 4 in the first round We are 15-4 against them in Class AA, 11-10 in Class A, 9-13 in Class B, (thank you, Chenango Forks, who beat our teams seven times in a row), 8-13 in Class C and 10-12 in Class D, (Section coaches in Classes C and D voted not to send a team to the state playoffs in the first year, 1993). Over all Section 3 is 53-52 vs. Section 4. But we are only 11-24 since 2007 and have lost 16 of 20 in the last four years.

If they survive Section 4, the Section 3 champs play the winner of the Section 5 and 6, (basically the Rochester and Buffalo areas) first round game. We’ve done well in Class D, 6-4 (3-2 vs. each), and held our own, 4-4, (3-3 vs. Section 5, 1-1 vs. Section 6), in Class C but been dominated in Class B, 2-7, (1-5 vs. Section 6, 1-2 vs. Section 5), Class A, 3-8, (3-5 vs. Section 5, 0-3 vs. Section 6) and Class AA, 4-11, (3-7 vs. Section 5, 1-4 vs. Section 6). Overall vs. Section 5 they are 13-18 vs. Section 5 and 6-15 vs. Section 6.

The following Section III teams have cleared the quarterfinal hurdle vs. Section 4 and survived the semifinal carnage vs. Sections 5 and 6 to play for the state championship:

1993 Class B Chittenango lost to Section 1 Yorktown 13-23
1996 Class A Whitesboro lost to Section 2 Troy 13-27
1996 Class AA Rome Free Academy lost to Yonker Roosevelt 14-27
1997 Class C CBA lost to Section1 Dover 26-32 (2OT)
1997 Class D West Canada beat Section 1 Bronxville 22-14
2000 Class A Fulton lost to Section 1 Nyack 20-34
2000 Class D Dolgeville beat Section 2 Fort Edward 55-3
2001 Class D Onondaga beat Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 35-7
2002 Class C Onondaga beat Section 1 Briarcliffe 35-6
2002 Class D Dolgeville lost to Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 35-38
2003 Class D Onondaga beat Section 2 Cambridge 41-21
2004 Class AA CBA beat Section 1 New Rochelle 41-35
2004 Class D Weedsport beat Section 1 Tuckahoe 22-11
2006 Class AA Auburn beat Section 9 Monroe-Woodbury 27-26 (1OT)
2007 Class AA West Genesee beat Section 9 Monroe-Woodbury 42-21
2007 Class C Bishop Ludden beat Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 21-16
2008 Class B Oneida lost to Section 1 Rye 12-16
2010 Class C General Brown lost to Section 1 Bronxville 14-34
2015 Class A Indian River beat Section 2 Queensberry 632-38

Section 3 is 11-8 in state championship games. They lost their first four, then had an incredible 10-2 streak before losing two of the last three. They are 6-6 vs. Section 1, 3-1 vs. Section 2 and 2-0 vs. Section 9. So if we can survive the semi-finals our chances of winning a state title are pretty good.

 

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This year’s field:

CLASS AA

Section 1: New Rochelle 10-0 (304-124) NYSSWA #3 MaxPreps 17/1127 States: 15-7 with 2 titles
Section 9: Newburgh Free Academy 8-2 (342-101) NYSSWA #11 MaxPreps 13/925 States: 2-7 with 0 titles
Newburgh is the team that waxed Henninger in the Dome, 64-0 to open the season. The very next game they were waxed 0-31 by Archbishop Stepinanc, (tied with Aquinas for #1 in the state per the NYSSWA: they are a Section 8- New York City- team and thus are not in the tournament), and later lost to Monroe-Woodbury 20-24, which they avenged with a 23-0 shutout in the sectional final. These teams have had no common opponents.

Section 2: Saratoga Springs 10-0 (401-128) NYSSWA #7 MaxPreps 2/288 States: 2-3 with 0 titles
BYE, since Sections 7-10 don’t have AA teams.

Section 3: Liverpool 9-1 (397-105) NYSSWA #10 MaxPreps 5/587 States: 2-2 with 0 titles
Section 4: Elmira Southside 10-0 (539-172) NYSSWA #12MaxPreps 9/740 States: 1-1 with 0 titles
Elmira has scored at least 50 points in their last eight games, including an 80-8 squeaker over Central Square and a 59-6 win over Nottingham. Liverpool beat those teams 42-0 and 33-0, respectively. They Lost to CBA 17-28 but came back to beat them 35-9 in the Sectional final. The ranking say Liverpool is better but those points…

Section 5: Aquinas 10-0 (332-111) NYSSWA #1 MaxPreps 3/293 States: 20-5 with 6 titles
Section 6: Orchard Park 9-1 (384-173) NYSSWA #9 MaxPreps 15/946 States: 9-9 with 2 titles
Orchard Park lost to Pittsford 28-41.These teams have no common opponents.

CLASS A

Section 1: Our Lady Of Lourdes 8-2 (290-137) NYSSWA#4 MaxPreps 34/1863 States: 0-0 with 0 titles
Section 9: Cornwall 9-1 (413-111) NYSSWA #10 MaxPreps 26/1578 States: 7-10 with 0 titles
Lourdes lost to Yorktown 14-27 and 7-13 to Rye, who they later beat 14-7 in the sectional final. . Cornwall lost to Cardinal Hayes of New York City, 14-37. These teams have no common opponents.

Section 2: Amsterdam 7-3 (341-198) NYSSWA # 7MaxPreps 79/3621 States: 11-5 with 2 titles
BYE, because Sections 7-10 have no A reams
Amsterdam lost to Class B #1 ranked Cazenovia 0-47, then to Queensbury 20-28, and Troy 21-26, all in their first three games.

Section 3: Whitesboro 9-1 (339-105) NYSSWA #12 MaxPreps 46/2430 States: 4-5 with 0 titles
Section 4: Maine-Endwell 10-0 (440-139) NYSSWA #1 MaxPreps 6/642 States: 16-2 with 5 titles
Maine Endwell is going for an incredible 5th straight state title, (the last three before this in Class B) and 62nd straight win. They played one Section 3 team this year, defeating Class AA Corcoran 62-24.The two teams have no common opponents. Whitesboro’s one loss was to Class AA Utica Proctor 10-14 in their opening game.

Section 5: Brockport 9-1 (209-132) NYSSWA #11 MaxPreps 38/2115 States: 0-0 with 0 titles
Section 6: Buffalo South Park 9-1 (404-143) NYSSWA #3 Max Preps 11/781 States: 0-0 with 0 titles
Brockport lost to Greece-Athena 12-21. South Park lost to Canisius 20-23. They have no common opponents.

CLASS B

Section 1 Westlake 8-2 (266-52) NYSSWA #9 MaxPreps 219/4928 States: 0-0 with 0 titles
Section 9 Marlboro 9-0 (473-103) NYSSWA #3 MaxPreps 45/2385 States: 3-4 with 0 titles
Westlake lost to Pleasantville 6-20 and Nanuet 0-12 but came back to beat Nanuet 6-0 in the Sectional final. These teams had no common opponents. Marlboro will be glad to know that Schalmont isn’t in the tournament this year: they’ve lost to them the last two years by a combined 101 points.

Section 2 Schuylerville 10-0 (435-69) NYSSWA #4 MaxPreps 19/1265 States: 2-2 with 0 titles
Section 10 Franklin Academy (Malone) 10-0 (372-150) NYSSWA #16 MaxPreps 146/5506 States: 0-2 with 0 titles
These teams had no common opponents. I’m impressed that Schuylerville crushed Schalmont the team that was terrorizing opponents in the last two state playoffs, (until they ran into Maine Endwell) the last two years. And they did it 42-0. Franklin Academy was clearly the best Class B team in section 10 but you can see by the rankings that the completion is low in the north country.

Section 3 Cazenovia 10-0 (413-64) NYSSWA #1 MaxPreps 10/748 States: 1-7 with 0 titles
Section 4 Waverly 8-2 (301-131) NYSSWA #18 MaxPreps 32/1771 States: 1-2 with 0 titles
Waverly lost to Chenango Valley 12-22 and to Oswego Free Academy 12-13 and turned around to beat them 15-13 in the Sectional playoffs the next week. Cazenovia would appear to be the heavy favorite but their quarterback was injured in their Sectional championship win. Also their all-time state playoff record is a dismal 1-7. But then they keep running into Chenango Forks and Maine-Endwell and neither is in Class B this year.

Section 5 Batavia 10-0 (443-125) NYSSWA #6 MaxPreps 27/1586 States: 0-1 with 0 titles
Section 6 Cheektowaga 10-0 (408-138) NYSSWA #2 MaxPreps 30/1719 States: 1-2 with 0 titles
These teams had no common opponents.

CLASS C

Section 1 Dobbs Ferry 7-0 (202-26) NYSSWA #2 MaxPreps 140/5414 States: 19-4 with 4 titles
Section 9 Liberty 10-0 (453-66) NYSSWA #5 MaxPreps 56/2721 States: 0-1 with 0 titles
Yes, Dobbs Ferry has played only 6 games. They only bothered to schedule 6 regular season games and got a bye in their first round of their sectional playoffs and then only had to beat one other team. It sounds like Section 1 could use some more Class C teams. These teams have had no common opponents.

Section 2 Greenwich 10-0 (429-72) NYSSWA #3 MaxPreps 40/2129 States: 1-1 with 0 titles
Section 10 Gouverneur 7-3 (292-117) NYSSWA #22 MaxPreps 199/6845 States: 0-2 with 0 titles
Gouverneur lost to Franklin Academy 21-25, Canton 16-20 and Ogdensburg Free Acadmey 12-22, who they came back to beat 21-0 in the state playoffs. They then beat Seciton 7’s AuSable Valley 24-0 in the play-in game. For the first time since 2008, the section 2 Class C champions was not Hoosick Falls, against whom the 7/10 winner has been fairly competitive, even beating them in 2010.

Section 3 Utica-Notre Dame 9-1 (447-167) NYSSWA #7 23/1440 States: 0-2 with 0 titles
Section 4 Chenango Forks 9-1 (339-111) NYSSWA #1 14/929 States: 23-9 with 4 titles
Forks is going for their third straight state Class C title. Their only loss was to Maine-Endwell, who is now back in Class A and that was close, 21-28. Forks has stuck a fork in man a Section III school over the eyars in the state playoffs, including Notre Dame, (57-14 last year). These teams have a common opponent: Newark Valley, the only team to beat Notre Dame this year, ((32-14 in their opener). Chenango Forks beat Newark Valley 42-15.

Section 5 Haverling (Bath) 10-0 (454-62) NYSSWA # 4 MaxPreps 24/1475 States: 3-4 with 0 titles
Section 6 Maple Grove-Chautauqua Lake 9-1 (334-131) NYSSWA #6 MaxPreps 53/2678 States: 7-4 with 2 titles
Maple Grove lost their opener to University Prep 14-34. These teams have no common opponents.

CLASS D

Section 1 Tuckahoe 2-6 (101-225) NYSSWA Not Ranked MaxPreps 512/12,752 States: 16-10 with 2 titles
Section 9 Roscoe/Downsville/Livingston Manor 6-3 (212-187) NYSSWA Not Ranked MaxPreps 506/12,624 States: 0-1 with 0 titles
Those are not misprints. There are so few Class D schools in this area that a team that had won only one regular season game won Section 1 and a team with three losses won Section 9. R/D/LM is a hybrid schools that played one school, Elred three times, beating them 40-0, 39-6 and 40-8. If they’d played a fourt time, my money would be on R?D?LM with at least 30 points. They lost to rennsalaer 12-31, Liberty 6-48 and Chester 13-62. Tuckahie also lost to Chester, 6-41 along with Woodlands 6-26, Hackley 20-30, Riverdale 12-32, Dobbs Ferry 6-41 and Rye Neck 6-25. There are, in fact, two Class D schools in Section 1 and four in Section 9, so you get a mess like this. Can we please go Big Schools/Small Schools?

Section 2 Whitehall 9-0 (294-63) NYSSWA #4MaxPreps 84/3753 States: 0-0 with 0 titles
Section 7 Ticonderoga 9-1 (307-107) NYSSWA #5 MaxPreps 139/5406 States: 3-5 with 0 titles
Ticonderoga lost to Moriah 6-28 but came back to beat them 6-0 in overtime in the playoffs. Both teams beat AuSable Valley. Whitehall beat them 41-0 and Ti beat them 35-7.

Section 3 Sandy Creek 8-2 (312-165) NYSSWA#7 MaxPreps 212/7095 States: 0-1 with 0 titles
Section 4 Tioga 9-1 (497-217) NYSSWA #2 MaxPreps 35/1900 States: 4-4 with 0 titles
Tioga has had Section 3 teams for breakfast, lunch and dinner plus a midnight snack the last four years, beating Westmoreland, Sandy Creek, Herkimer and Dolgeville by a combined 198-82, (a 50-21 average). Then they’ve been beaten in the next round by a Section 6 team each year, (the last three to state champion Randolph). Sandy Creek tries again this season. Tioga’s one loss was the Newark Valley, 32-35. Sandy creek lost their first two games to Beaver River 14-21 and Thousand Island 14-38. The two teams had no common opponents.

Section 5 Bishop Kearney 8-2 (360-194) NYSSWA # 3 MaxPreps 58/2890 States: 0-0 with 0 titles
Section 6 Franklinville/Ellicotville 8-1 (297-83) NYSSWA #1 MaxPreps 102/4407 States: 0-1 with 0 titles
Bishop Kearney lost to St. Mary’s 36-44 and Farrell 28-42. This -M, (after beating three time defending state champions Randolph 32-12 in their opener), lost to Portville, 20-28. The two teams had no common opponents.

Overall: There’s plenty of new blood in the playoffs this year. Six teams have never been to the state playoffs Four have been there once and lost and three more are 0-2. There are nine former state champions in the field but 29 teams have never won it. None of the Section 3 champions in the field have ever won a state title and their combined record is only 6-15. Section 1 is 50-21 with 8 titles won. Section 2 is 17-11 with 2 titles. Section 4 is 45-18 with 9 titles, (all from two teams: Maine-Endwell and Chenango Forks). Section 5 is 23-10 with 6 titles, (all from Aquinas). Section 6 is 17-16 with 4 titles. Section 7 is 3-5 with no title. Section 9 is 12-22 with no titles. Section 10 is 0-4 with no titles.

 

[orange79]

15) Webster Schroeder (5) 11-3 (3)
(Webster High School split into Webster Schroeder and Webster Thomas in 2002. “Webster” had won the 2001 AA title and when Webster Schroeder win the 2002 AA title all references I could find were to their winning their “second straight state title”, so I added Webster Schroeder’s record to that of “Webster” and gave Webster Thomas their own record. Webster Thomas is 3-2 with no title so the overall “Webster” record would be 14-5 (3) if you added them all together.)

Webster Thomas and Schroeder must have combined at some point (80's or 90's?). When I was attending one of the Greece high schools (about 100 years ago), they were separate then. The one year Arcadia had a good team, they went 8-1 - the only loss to perennial power Webster Thomas. 14-7 - I still remember the score.

 

[Shark58]

why dont the long island counties play in the state playoffs?

what about the NYC schools?

 

[SWC75]

why dont the long island counties play in the state playoffs?

what about the NYC schools?

They are rather insular in their attitude. Also, Long Island has different classifications. new York has both a public school organization and a parochial school group. Apparently it's tough to get them all together. They do it in basketball with the Federation playoffs but not so far in football.

 

[Shark58]

They are rather insular in their attitude. Also, Long Island has different classifications. new York has both a public school organization and a parochial school group. Apparently it's tough to get them all together. They do it in basketball with the Federation playoffs but not so far in football.

Thx. I guess its kinds of a shame that the LI & city kids don't match up against the rest of the state.

1- it would be interesting to see how they stack up against each other

2- I wonder if the lack of full state participation in any way leads to the perception and/or reality that NY isn't a prime priority recruiting territory. you would think that just because of the population volume there would be more depth of quality in NY than many other States ranked above them.

 

[SWC75]

Thx. I guess its kinds of a shame that the LI & city kids don't match up against the rest of the state.

1- it would be interesting to see how they stack up against each other

2- I wonder if the lack of full state participation in any way leads to the perception and/or reality that NY isn't a prime priority recruiting territory. you would think that just because of the population volume there would be more depth of quality in NY than many other States ranked above them.

I've always heard that Long Island is a good recruiting area and Marrone got some good guys out of NYC. I wonder if our state's rating is really upstate's rating. Upstate New York is kind of like downstate Illinois.

 

[Shark58]

I've always heard that Long Island is a good recruiting area and Marrone got some good guys out of NYC. I wonder if our state's rating is really upstate's rating. Upstate New York is kind of like downstate Illinois.

FBall is taken very seriously on the Island and has turned out numerous quality players, and not just for SU. the City turns out athletes, but I understand they aren't geared all that much towards football due to many factors, including a lack of facilities. space is expensive in the city. I'm a real estate guy. I know.

I don't follow recruiting all that much so maybe I'm way off base, but perhaps the theory above that NYS suffers a poorer perception of talent has some merit due to the lack of a unified system

I've never spent much time in downstate IL, but I'll bet Upstate NY has better food