Poll: Is Schiano leaving (potentially) Good or Bad for SU?

[billsin01]

Here's some pros and cons to his leaving RU:

Pros

-- The man could recruit and it's unlikely, with conference affiliations, etc., that the next RU coach is able to sustain and/or improve upon his general success in terms of talent acquisition. That should help us by default.

-- RU may not have won many big games and may have only really had one truly excellent season, but there's no doubting that the used car salesman raised RU's profile and won far more games, more consistently (even if it was against terrible competition) than the previous staff.

-- We don't have to look at him on the sidelines.

Cons

-- Marrone was 2-1 against ol' Greg. He probably -- despite how bad we were this year -- should have been 3-0. If we catch up in the talent department, GS was kind of nice to have around. Yes, he'd grab some recruits, but most years he appeared to get out-coached when it mattered.

-- He loved to make moves on his staff and hire and fire assistants. Everyone does this to an extent but word is that he was tough to work for. That can't hurt (from our perspective)

-- His outlandish comments, helicopter flights and general appearance made for a perfectly detestable local rival. Yes, we're going to the ACC but it's still fun to root against RU. Not quite as much fun now.

So what say you? My vote is that it actually hurts us a bit. I know he could recruit but his teams never seemed to play that well.

 

[SU2NASA]

Where's 'poll choice'?

 

[cuseincincy]

If SU were staying in the mess that is the Big East I would lean more towards agreeing with you. However, since we are leaving that mess behind this is nothing but good for SU because he was a great recruiter. Nobody can say he wasn't. Since we will shortly no longer playing Rutgers his poor game coaching is less of an impact. And by the way...Rutgers was NEVER a local rival. Perfectly detestable yes, but never a rival. As so many others put it so eloquently Rutgers is irrelevant. Now they will be even moreso again.

 

[billsin01]

Where's 'poll choice'?

It shows up on my screen. Is anyone else seeing it? Me no good with technology.

 

[orangepassion]

It depends on who the next coach is. Guessing on how much they have to spend, I'm guessing it will probably hurt.

 

[billsin01]

If SU were staying in the mess that is the Big East I would lean more towards agreeing with you. However, since we are leaving that mess behind this is nothing but good for SU because he was a great recruiter. Nobody can say he wasn't. Since we will shortly no longer playing Rutgers his poor game coaching is less of an impact. And by the way...Rutgers was NEVER a local rival. Perfectly detestable yes, but never a rival. As so many others put it so eloquently Rutgers is irrelevant. Now they will be even moreso again.

I am with you on the recruiting part, but I'm not sure I understand how you would classify RU as irrelevant since their "success" (or at least "improved performance") coincided perfectly to SU's decline. And, since most acknowledge schady's ability as a recruiter, that alone makes them relevant to us. nationally? I guess not but anyone who believes SU has been relevant nationally -- even in the mcnabb era -- in a long, long time is kidding themselves.

 

[mantonio]

No great coach wants the Rutgers job. At BEST, it's a stepping stone job for an up & coming coach, so what you'll get is a crapshoot, with not much chance for wild success...

 

[chop block]

it could hurt short term if they hire mario cristobal and they get our recruits who were looking at FIU to flip to rutgers. Long term in the big east rutgers is ******

 

[EastCoastBias1]

Let’s remember that a firing ruined our season. We thought the Pitt firing was a good thing, and it came back to bite us and ruin our season. Those Rutgers assistants that came from Pitt did a great job with late recruiting, and flipping some very good NJ recruits. Let alone, the game day play calling did improve. It makes me kinda nervous to think what a competent coach could do with the mass amount of recruits in the state of NJ.

 

[Noexcuse]

Let’s remember that a firing ruined our season. We thought the Pitt firing was a good thing, and it came back to bite us and ruin our season. Those Rutgers assistants that came from Pitt did a great job with late recruiting, and flipping some very good NJ recruits. Let alone, the game day play calling did improve. It makes me kinda nervous to think what a competent coach could do with the mass amount of recruits in the state of NJ.

Yes and it ruined it after 2004 as well. Firing P meant losing Ray Rice.

 

[tbonezone]

had we progressed a little this year instead of taking a step back rutgers might be in flipping trouble.
on the other hand i'm not going to shoot down someone just becuz they're a schiano player !

 

[Chip]

Since we are moving to the ACC anyway and they're not (thank god) I think the pros far outweigh the cons in your analysis.

 

['72 Orange]

This is fantastic news for me! I live in Middlesex Co. in NJ and and in my second career as a real estate agent. I definitely have to schedule a listing appointment with Shadey. Now for the good part. My nephew is a helicopter pilot with the NJ State Police. If I can just get him to pick me up on his luch hour and drop me off on Shadey's from lawn - ya think he might be impressed and I walk away with his commitment to list with me?

 

[OrangePA]

In the short term this is good for Syracuse University Football.

Whenever there is instability in a program, there is a good chance that the program will suffer. Rutgers will probably suffer to a certain extent in the next few months or so - especially because Schiano was the program - he was the constant with assistants coming and going every year.

Of course, when Coach Mac left in 1990, Pasqualoni and the remainder of the staff kept every recruit and actually raised the level of the program. That was a little different because there was more stability then with the SU assistant coaches.

But the Mac situation teaches that the kind of move that Schiano has made is not always a negative one for a college program.

In the long term, I suspect that not all that much will change in Pisccataway.

Rutgers has built a decent program and has established a platform from which the next coach will benefit.

 

[Chip]

Rutgers has built a decent program and has established a platform from which the next coach will benefit.

Important to get this hire right though because you can't count on the guy after the next guy to pick up the pieces if they get it wrong. Look at BC for example. Coughlin built them up to a powerful program before he left after the 1993 season. One bad hire later and Dan Henning almost completely destroyed it in 3 short years. Luckily for BC, they realized their mistake and corrected it after just 3 seasons. TOB had to rebuild a bit, but the platform as you say, was still there. BC also had some historical success in its favor, Flutie days most notably.

Rutgers only real success came with Schiano. If it falls apart, not as much guarantee that they can bring it back. Especially if the Big East were to become what many (not you specifically) think it might become, which is a somewhat glorified Conference USA.

 

[OrangePA]

Yes, it is important to hire the right guy.

Jake C did that in 1990 - tweek.

 

[xc84]

I don't care much about Schiano either way. We won't be in the same league and he's a mediocre coach to boot. He'll last maybe 2 years at TB.