Postgame Thoughts... BC (game 2)

[tbonezone]

Didn't see the game, but did Kadary actually give up 5-6 uncontested threes from his side? I find that extremely hard to believe.

simple chaos theory . if a butterfly flaps his wings in mongolia... it affects the zone.

 

[two3zone]

Hot take- I don’t know why anyone would play for JB. He’s so rude, never encourages the guys, zero charisma and zero positivity. He’s getting on my last nerve with what he says about certain players

That’s not fair, he treats Buddy very well.

 

[two3zone]

Lol... Fiction can be fun

Who’s the NBA level guy that JB trashed?

McCullough, Ennis, Richardson and Grant.

 

[Scott11]

Syracuse basketball: Jim Boeheim tells ESPN Tyler Ennis could have used another year at SU

Boeheim tells "Sportscenter" that he thinks Ennis could have used another year to improve physically before entering the NBA.

www.syracuse.com

He was right on Ennis.

 

[OrangeDW]

He was right on Ennis.

Ok, but what did being “right” in his public comments accomplish?

 

[two3zone]

He was right on Ennis.

Or Ennis has his injury issues in college instead of in the NBA and never gets the chance.

 

[721Comstock]

Ok, but what did being “right” in his public comments accomplish?

Zero.
In fact, it “accomplished” only negative things.

1 - Ennis jumped anyway, which given his subsequent injury issues, was clearly the right call. Dude got PAID.
ZERO guarantees he does any better had he returned. And more likely, the holes in his game get exposed.

2 - it somewhat burned a bridge with Ennis & family, which only lately seems to be getting a little mended.

3 - it added to the (not inaccurate) #narrative that JB isn’t supportive of his players leaving early.

 

[Arangeman]

Or Ennis has his injury issues in college instead of in the NBA and never gets the chance.

Or more of his flaws are exposed in his sophomore year and he goes in rd 2.

Looking fwd to the ribbon cutting of the Jerami Grant players dorm.

 

[SUskibum]

He was right on Ennis.

If Ennis spends even 1 more year in college, I am relatively confident he would currently have 2 less zeros in his personal net worth.

Edit: People do realize that if a prospect flames out early in the NBA, that it reinforces the idea that it was a good decision to take a few million dollars while it was available right? I mean, people realize that those same reasons for the flame out would have been alternatively exposed in college (or lack of growth shown) and then ruined even that single first multimillion dollar contract.

right?

 

[OrangeDW]

If Ennis spends even 1 more year in college, I am relatively confident he would currently have 2 less zeros in his personal net worth.

Edit: People do realize that if a prospect flames out early in the NBA, that it reinforces the idea that it was a good decision to take a few million dollars while it was available right? I mean, people realize that those same reasons for the flame out would have been alternatively exposed in college (or lack of growth shown) and then ruined even that single first multimillion dollar contract.

right?

Tyler easily could’ve had a Chris Thomas type college career though!!

 

[StPeteOrang]

Saw that and I almost couldn't believe it. Kadray hadn't touched the ball in a bit.

Saw that too but in JBs defense he also yelled at Joe right after. Don’t have an issue with this though I kinda like it. He was coaching Kadary up. He wanted him to fill the middle and look for the ball so he could run the break n have joe n buddy filling the wings.

 

[tptcuse]

It appeared Jim was motioning that he needed to come to the ball. That’s what my amateur, clearly far away eyes saw. Even though it doesn’t entirely make sense considering the guy who is the starting PG had the ball there and tossed it away.

I watched the replay. He was telling him to "look for the ball."

 

[NineOneSeven]

I watched the replay. He was telling him to "look for the ball."

Yep.

 

[dasher]

I watched the replay. He was telling him to "look for the ball."

Well, how about yelling at the guy who threw the ball out of bounds first.

 

[Scott11]

Everybody was good and bad for the most part today. To wit:
-First half Joe was great, under control with great shot selection. Second half Joe was awful, launched a 30 footer, styled a layup into a miss, got too fancy and made a bad pass that JB somehow blamed on Kadary and got stuffed by the little whitey quinnipiac transfer.
-I was happy to see Buddy make some big shots. But if we are going to kill AG for not being careful with the ball at the end of the game at home versus nc state, Buddy was even worse today in that regard. And nobody goes after a loose ball with less enthusiasm or athleticism than buddy.
-We can’t afford Quincy to no show for a half and expect to win. I do worry about his health. That said he should have taken closer to 18 shots as opposed to the 8 he did. They had nobody who could stop him.
-JB was right about Kadary’s defense and he dogged one closeout so badly Frank Howard would have been embarrassed. But I would have had him in towards the end of the game when we were having trouble against the press because of his ball handling and the fact has shown he can make free throws under pressure.
-Braswell had a chance to solidify a rotation spot but did little to help his chances.
-As I said on the game thread Jesse had the softest one minute in Syracuse basketball history. I’m not sure what JBA did or is able to accomplish.
-Finally, AG reverted to some of his bad habits as far as shot selection but other than that he continues to improve with respect to his decision making. I absolutely love the way his passing game seems to be emerging.

 

[tptcuse]

Well, how about yelling at the guy who threw the ball out of bounds first.

Just quoting him since people were asking what he said. Not making any judgements.

 

[81South]

Never a fan of a coach ragging on a student athlete in a presser. The negatives outweigh any good that could come of it. Jim showed us this week he doesn’t like people criticizing his son but yet he criticizes other people’s sons for poor play.

 

[StPeteOrang]

Well, how about yelling at the guy who threw the ball out of bounds first.

He did. He yelled at joe right after. JB deserves slot of criticism IMO but not in this instance.

 

[HoustonCuse]

If Ennis spends even 1 more year in college, I am relatively confident he would currently have 2 less zeros in his personal net worth.

Edit: People do realize that if a prospect flames out early in the NBA, that it reinforces the idea that it was a good decision to take a few million dollars while it was available right? I mean, people realize that those same reasons for the flame out would have been alternatively exposed in college (or lack of growth shown) and then ruined even that single first multimillion dollar contract.

right?

this is objectively true, but I find it unsavory. It basically establishes that the purpose of all these players (and college coaches) is to fool the NBA into drafting and paying people who are frauds. Who don’t really have the chops to cut it but can somehow win the lottery and trick an NBA team into paying them. I’m going to suggest that to someone who has taken up coaching at the college level as their life’s work, this concept is repugnant. JB presumably is one of those people. I don’t believe he is trying to trash any player or sabotage their chances at success in the pros, he is answering questions about said chances to the best of his abilities given the current manifestation of that player. Realistically, he has generally been fairly accurate in those assessments with his notable miss being Grant. Calipari would try to help a player trick or scam their way to a one time windfall of cash in the NBA, but I don’t get the feeling JB is wired that way. Yes, it is certainly something that can be exploited by outside entities like you see in this thread and he should be aware of that and do a better job. Communication with the media and other outside entities has always been a severe weakness for him and it has certainly hurt his program over the years.

 

[brian williams]

it seemed like Boeheim was telling Kadary he should’ve been looking for a pass? But Joe was passing it to Buddy anyway. Even if Kadary was ready for a pass...it wouldn’t have made much sense to make that pass to him there anyway.

It’s very possible there’s something they’ve been emphasizing in those situations that he wanted Kadary to do? There’s so much of that, that people who aren’t in the gym with them everyday wouldn’t know.

But it certainly looked like JB was yelling at Kadary for no reason, after Joe made a terrible pass. Hope there was more to it than that.

I thought JB was yelling at Kadary to go get the ball as the PG as soon as we transition to offense.

 

[kirbivore]

JB... Unreal.

He’s angry that Kadary is throwing a wrench in the predetermined playing time

 

[kirbivore]

He was right on Ennis.

The only difference a sophomore year does to Ennis is losing first round money. He did enough in year 1 to trick the NBA

 

[Dinkyspond]

this is objectively true, but I find it unsavory. It basically establishes that the purpose of all these players (and college coaches) is to fool the NBA into drafting and paying people who are frauds. Who don’t really have the chops to cut it but can somehow win the lottery and trick an NBA team into paying them. I’m going to suggest that to someone who has taken up coaching at the college level as their life’s work, this concept is repugnant. JB presumably is one of those people. I don’t believe he is trying to trash any player or sabotage their chances at success in the pros, he is answering questions about said chances to the best of his abilities given the current manifestation of that player. Realistically, he has generally been fairly accurate in those assessments with his notable miss being Grant. Calipari would try to help a player trick or scam their way to a one time windfall of cash in the NBA, but I don’t get the feeling JB is wired that way. Yes, it is certainly something that can be exploited by outside entities like you see in this thread and he should be aware of that and do a better job. Communication with the media and other outside entities has always been a severe weakness for him and it has certainly hurt his program over the years.

I don't think professional basketball teams fall for "tricks." They look for players to improve their team. Some pan out, others don't. The NBA is an exclusive club for only the best in the world, these guys deservedly got their shot, but it is hard to stick in the NBA. These teams did their due diligence but because of a player's deficiencies they couldn't make it as their career evolved. The NBA teams did their evals and paid the players accordingly and gave them their shot.

 

[kirbivore]

I don't think professional basketball teams fall for "tricks." They look for players to improve their team. Some pan out, others don't. The NBA is an exclusive club for only the best, these guys deservedly got their shot, but it is hard to stick in the NBA. These teams did their due diligence but because of a player's deficiencies they couldn't make it as their career evolved. The NBA teams did their evals and paid the players accordingly and gave them their shot.

Once you get past the top 15-20 players it’s a razor thin margin separating players 21-60. If you do something that makes you stand out from the crowd like the Pitt half court shot or the UVA comeback you strike while the iron is hot. Most first round picks don’t stay in the league beyond 5 years. It’s better to at least get the first round guaranteed $ before flaming out if the opportunity arises

 

[Newhouser]

Tyler easily could’ve had a Chris Thomas type college career though!!

And don't forget he would have improved much more under our coaching and strength and conditioning. Only college ball makes kids better.