PS: Syracuse football QBs Eric Dungey, Tommy DeVito set to compete (spring preview)

[hungrychuck]

Great, but would he have avoided a foot injury last year if he were heavier?

Come on. That kid was a stud last year and about as durable as a QB gets.

 

[Scooch]

Rob Gronkowski is pretty jacked but he gets hurt a lot. I think the best way for a QB to avoid being injured is to avoid being hit as much as possible. And when getting hit is inevitable to then know how best to take that hit in a way that minimizes impact.

Guess we’ll see.

 

[shu 49]

Having had issues with their form before I’d like to commend this form. Really good for weight

Yeah it used to be really loose and depth was a problem when i would go up there in Marrone years.

 

[shu 49]

Didnt i say the exact same thing a week ago lol

 

[UnknownOrange]

Great, but would he have avoided a foot injury last year if he were heavier?

Come on. That kid was a stud last year and about as durable as a QB gets.

Dungey is a warrior but this is LOL funny

 

[Orijinal]

Didnt i say the exact same thing a week ago lol

I don't know if "bigger" translates to "less injuries"

 

[hungrychuck]

Dungey is a warrior but this is LOL funny

Not sure how this is your take if you actually watched the punishment he absorbed -- and handed out -- over the course of the season. How many QBs would have still been standing at the point where he finally incurred a freak foot injury?

The fragility thing is a myth spawned by the recurring head-related injuries he had in the first two seasons.

There was no repeat of that last year despite the hammering this kid absorbed throughout.

With an improved OL and any semblance of a run game, Eric has a good chance to play a full senior year. In fact, I'd expect it.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Not sure how this is your take if you actually watched the punishment he absorbed -- and handed out -- over the course of the season. How many QBs would have still been standing at the point where he finally incurred a freak foot injury?

The fragility thing is a myth spawned by the recurring head-related injuries he had in the first two seasons.

There was no repeat of that last year despite the hammering this kid absorbed throughout.

With an improved OL and any semblance of a run game, Eric has a good chance to play a full senior year. In fact, I'd expect it.

I'm not saying he didn't take a beating or give a beating or what other QBs would do in his shoes - but to say he is as durable as it gets is silly. He's never finished a season. Whether that's his own doing, his OL, his scheme, his reckless abandonment, or whatever.

It's no diss to Eric. He is an absolute warrior - he just is injury prone - meaning not durable

 

[UnknownOrange]

Not sure how this is your take if you actually watched the punishment he absorbed -- and handed out -- over the course of the season. How many QBs would have still been standing at the point where he finally incurred a freak foot injury?

The fragility thing is a myth spawned by the recurring head-related injuries he had in the first two seasons.

There was no repeat of that last year despite the hammering this kid absorbed throughout.

With an improved OL and any semblance of a run game, Eric has a good chance to play a full senior year. In fact, I'd expect it.

Also - fully agree with this.

 

[baggerbob]

Also - fully agree with this.

That's a reason why I would like someone other then Strickland or Neal as running backs, neither blocks very well.

 

[leftytg]

Also - fully agree with this.

yes, Dungey got hit because of an often subpar OL that didn't hold blocks. Improvement in the OL will obviously help here.

But Dungey also frequently abandoned the pocket without pressure last year. He seems utterly incapable of stepping out of bounds or going down before the defense can square him up. That wins him a lot of adulation in these parts, and he gets lionized as a warrior, but it hampers him as a QB. He plays recklessly, and for every time he successfully jumps over a defender or kicks one in the face, he more often takes a harder hit than he needs to. At this point he's a senior still making these kinds of poor decisions, and I'm skeptical he will (or can) change. So long as he plays QB with the mentality of a LB, he will be injury prone. There's a reason why the vast majority of QB's don't play the way Dungey does, and it isn't because Dungey is simply tougher or more old school or just loves the game more. Most QB's understand that they hurt the team by being reckless and taking unnecessary hits, and they grow and mature and realize they are not superman.

Stress is cumulative, and the extra stress Dungey puts on his body absolutely has an effect, even in injuries like the foot one and not just the concussion related ones.

The difference this year is that we finally have a capable and talented backup.

 

[syr14]

Let Eric play the way he knows how. That’s what makes him special. What would be the point of dialing it back now?

We have the depth behind him now. People can relax a bit.

 

[hungrychuck]

Let Eric play the way he knows how. That’s what makes him special. What would be the point of dialing it back now?

We have the depth behind him now. People can relax a bit.

And it's also true that he would not play that way if he did not have the backing of the coaching staff to play that way.

It would be nice if we didn't need our QB to be both a QB and our top RB, but that hasn't been the case.

Hopefully that will change this year.

 

[RMH44]

Not sure how this is your take if you actually watched the punishment he absorbed -- and handed out -- over the course of the season. How many QBs would have still been standing at the point where he finally incurred a freak foot injury?

The fragility thing is a myth spawned by the recurring head-related injuries he had in the first two seasons.

There was no repeat of that last year despite the hammering this kid absorbed throughout.

With an improved OL and any semblance of a run game, Eric has a good chance to play a full senior year. In fact, I'd expect it.

I agree except the "recurring head injuries" is actually the part that is mythology. Don't believe what you've read here of the Sub Standard because most have no idea where the truth lies.

 

[blizz]

I'm not saying he didn't take a beating or give a beating or what other QBs would do in his shoes - but to say he is as durable as it gets is silly. He's never finished a season. Whether that's his own doing, his OL, his scheme, his reckless abandonment, or whatever.

It's no diss to Eric. He is an absolute warrior - he just is injury prone - meaning not durable

Saying that he has never finished a season, therefore he is injury prone is a flawed argument.

What is silly is that so many of you get away with repeating it over and over.

 

[hungrychuck]

I agree except the "recurring head injuries" is actually the part that is mythology. Don't believe what you've read here of the Sub Standard because most have no idea where the truth lies.

That's fair enough. And I don't pretend to know the details of the head-neck situation or whatever it was.

My point was that seemed to be something that was happening when he was a relatively skinny kid his first two years and his body hadn't caught up with his admittedly reckless style of play.

By last year, he had built himself into a linebacker playing QB, and that is apparently even more so this year.

He plays recklessly, but I don't consider him to be fragile under any circumstances.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Saying that he has never finished a season, therefore he is injury prone is a flawed argument.

What is silly is that so many of you get away with repeating it over and over.

Has he not missed time?

Maybe he could have finished a season and they held him out because there was no bowl hope but the kid has clearly had injuries

 

[leftytg]

Saying that he has never finished a season, therefore he is injury prone is a flawed argument.

What is silly is that so many of you get away with repeating it over and over.

show your work. He's missed 28% of the team games over the last 3 seasons (10 of 36 - which doesn't include the games he had to leave early due to injury). He sustained 4 injuries over 3 seasons that led to missing games. He plays a reckless and physical style that does not seek to minimize hits, thus frequently exposing himself to the kinds of hits that cause injuries, and have caused him injuries. He has never finished a season healthy in three tries, which if anything, means the amount of games missed under represents the amount he otherwise would have missed had the season not run out of games.

Given the above facts, particularly the one where he has missed more than a quarter of games due to injury, means the onus is on you to explain why he isn't injury prone. Sitting there with your magic wand and declaring something a flawed argument isn't enough. Show your work.

 

[shu 49]

I don't know if "bigger" translates to "less injuries"

I don’t disagree but also he may be more explosive and quicker too. His way of playing is probably gonna get him hurt anyways. He has so much passion and will to win that he does crazy stuff.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Rob Gronkowski is pretty jacked but he gets hurt a lot. I think the best way for a QB to avoid being injured is to avoid being hit as much as possible. And when getting hit is inevitable to then know how best to take that hit in a way that minimizes impact.

Guess we’ll see.

You know what your comment tells me?

That tells me you're the kind of guy that has salad for lunch, and football coaches eat MEAT.

 

[Dino2112]

Rob Gronkowski is pretty jacked but he gets hurt a lot. I think the best way for a QB to avoid being injured is to avoid being hit as much as possible. And when getting hit is inevitable to then know how best to take that hit in a way that minimizes impact.

Guess we’ll see.

come on he was bound to get hurt !!! At times blocking was MIA (run/pass) . We get a run game other teams have to account for ,we'll see if he gets hurt.

 

[Ish88888]

I dont think people grasp how big of a prospect TD was. Dungey’s gotta show improvement on his passing.

I love TD too and think he has awesome potential and I am super excited. That said, we need to see him sling it in game conditions and take college hits as he is very slight. That's a different ballgame. In the end, i am hoping he will be a 3 year stud for us! Also, ED improve his passing? Given some time and when healthy he has made ALL the throws . Not sure what you mean there. He has done it against the best defenses too. For starters our 2 upsets the last 2 years, VT and Clemson . ED can spin it and will be a pro if he has some luck with his health

 

[Ish88888]

Haha! Touché!

This team has fallen apart the last few games of the last 2 seasons.

Yes, the last 4 or 5 actually.

 

[Ish88888]

I don’t disagree but also he may be more explosive and quicker too. His way of playing is probably gonna get him hurt anyways. He has so much passion and will to win that he does crazy stuff.

Yes, getting bigger has nothing to do with injury risk when you go from 225 ish last year to almost 240 this year? Yikes , still have to maintain speed too but more muscle has nothing to do with decreasing injury risk . #Gronk. Some guys just have a knack for avoiding hits and it isnt even about hits most of the time, its running and jumping and kinesiology. Some guys' joints just tolerate better than others.

 

[Ish88888]

Rob Gronkowski is pretty jacked but he gets hurt a lot. I think the best way for a QB to avoid being injured is to avoid being hit as much as possible. And when getting hit is inevitable to then know how best to take that hit in a way that minimizes impact.

Guess we’ll see.

Being hit really is the least to worry about. Its the running and jumping and cutting that is the risk and any ATC will tell you the same thing.