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PS: Syracuse football QBs Eric Dungey, Tommy DeVito set to compete (spring preview)

Ish88888 said:
I love TD too and think he has awesome potential and I am super excited. That said, we need to see him sling it in game conditions and take college hits as he is very slight. That's a different ballgame. In the end, i am hoping he will be a 3 year stud for us! Also, ED improve his passing? Given some time and when healthy he has made ALL the throws . Not sure what you mean there. He has done it against the best defenses too. For starters our 2 upsets the last 2 years, VT and Clemson . ED can spin it and will be a pro if he has some luck with his health;)
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Whatever Eric does or doesn’t do after his senior year, he has been a tremendous college QB and IMO our best since McNabb.

He is never going to win a contest based on pinpoint passing precision.

But he is the leader of the team on the field - not the offense, the team. Old school swashbuckler whose swagger infects his teammates.

He might best be summed up by two picks he threw last year. LSU, he nearly decapitates the DB at the goal line. Miami, he rips the ball from the hands of the DL.

Now would it be better if he never threw either pick? Of course it would. But that’s Eric. Some bad with the good, but more good.

I think TD will do great things for us eventually, and maybe his presumed precision really will be an eye opener.

However, I have a feeling ED is one of those players most will only fully appreciate when he is gone.
 
Ish88888 said:
I love TD too and think he has awesome potential and I am super excited. That said, we need to see him sling it in game conditions and take college hits as he is very slight. That's a different ballgame. In the end, i am hoping he will be a 3 year stud for us! Also, ED improve his passing? Given some time and when healthy he has made ALL the throws . Not sure what you mean there. He has done it against the best defenses too. For starters our 2 upsets the last 2 years, VT and Clemson . ED can spin it and will be a pro if he has some luck with his health;)
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According to the most recently posted #’s, TD is 2” shorter, and ~23 lbs lighter than Dungey.

That’s hardly “slight”.

He’s also a great athlete - I’ve posted this prior, but his SPARQ scores are amongst the best of any player we’ve recruited, at any position, period.
And he’s had a year with our awesome S&C crew since then.
 
hungrychuck said:
Whatever Eric does or doesn’t do after his senior year, he has been a tremendous college QB and IMO our best since McNabb.

He is never going to win a contest based on pinpoint passing precision.

But he is the leader of the team on the field - not the offense, the team. Old school swashbuckler whose swagger infects his teammates.

He might best be summed up by two picks he threw last year. LSU, he nearly decapitates the DB at the goal line. Miami, he rips the ball from the hands of the DL.

Now would it be better if he never threw either pick? Of course it would. But that’s Eric. Some bad with the good, but more good.

I think TD will do great things for us eventually, and maybe his presumed precision really will be an eye opener.

However, I have a feeling ED is one of those players most will only fully appreciate when he is gone.
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Well said, as Cinderella sang: Don't know what you got, til its gone:) I just challenge that he can make all the throws and the clutch throws he made against Clemson this year were pro level throws. He has a good enough fast ball and throws a beautiful fade and other throws requiring touch.
 
721Comstock said:
According to the most recently posted #’s, TD is 2” shorter, and ~23 lbs lighter than Dungey.

That’s hardly “slight”.

He’s also a great athlete - I’ve posted this prior, but his SPARQ scores are amongst the best of any player we’ve recruited, at any position, period.
And he’s had a year with our awesome S&C crew since then.
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Honestly , the most worrisome aspect is a complete renovation of our wrs combined with sean Lewis departing. I get it, it will always be Dino's baby ultimately, but Dino isn't in the trenches everyday like the assistants and coordinators are. There are alot of moving parts and a change in dynamics on O , with a TON of productivity to replace on the run. This scares me.
 
leftytg said:
show your work. He's missed 28% of the team games over the last 3 seasons (10 of 36 - which doesn't include the games he had to leave early due to injury). He sustained 4 injuries over 3 seasons that led to missing games. He plays a reckless and physical style that does not seek to minimize hits, thus frequently exposing himself to the kinds of hits that cause injuries, and have caused him injuries. He has never finished a season healthy in three tries, which if anything, means the amount of games missed under represents the amount he otherwise would have missed had the season not run out of games.

Given the above facts, particularly the one where he has missed more than a quarter of games due to injury, means the onus is on you to explain why he isn't injury prone. Sitting there with your magic wand and declaring something a flawed argument isn't enough. Show your work.
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"Injury prone" makes it sound like he has a weakness or physical deficiency. Eric has neither. Yes, he plays recklessly which leads to injuries but he is as stout a quarterback as you will ever find.
 
Interesting thread.
Mostly we can only speculate on this season.
However, I think it is fair to say that ED has kept hope alive during a very bad patch and he will be fondly remembered as a great Warrior and one of our best QBs ever.

TD is another special kid. The thing I really love about him is that he is all in. He never wavered during his recruitment. He wants to be here and wants to be the guy that brings us back to the top 25.

So, in a way, I don't care who plays or how much this year, although ED certainly has earned the right to be the guy if it is close, as it might be.

TD's time will come. He will have a better OL and running game and will play before packed domes. He could be our best ever and that's a helluva thing.

We have waited a long time for this. I will enjoy this whoever is on the field.

LGO
 
UnknownOrange said:
Has he not missed time?

Maybe he could have finished a season and they held him out because there was no bowl hope but the kid has clearly had injuries
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leftytg said:
show your work. He's missed 28% of the team games over the last 3 seasons (10 of 36 - which doesn't include the games he had to leave early due to injury). He sustained 4 injuries over 3 seasons that led to missing games. He plays a reckless and physical style that does not seek to minimize hits, thus frequently exposing himself to the kinds of hits that cause injuries, and have caused him injuries. He has never finished a season healthy in three tries, which if anything, means the amount of games missed under represents the amount he otherwise would have missed had the season not run out of games.

Given the above facts, particularly the one where he has missed more than a quarter of games due to injury, means the onus is on you to explain why he isn't injury prone. Sitting there with your magic wand and declaring something a flawed argument isn't enough. Show your work.
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Pointing to missed time or multiple injuries in and of itself does not support the thesis that he is easily injured, not durable, etc. It's that simple.
Does he play recklessly? Yes. Has he missed significant time due to injuries? Yes. Making the jump from there to "therefore he is prone to injury" neglects a whole host of other considerations. How about we start with the hits that he took that injured him? Stanizek (sp?) blasts him helmet to helmet while Dungey is falling forward while being wrap tackled from behind by a 280+ DT. Who walks away from that not injured? What planet do you live on that getting hurt from that hit makes you injury prone? Don't remember the Louisville hit later in 2015 but suffice to say I don't think Dungey should have played the remainder of 2015. 2016 against Clemson, he gets absolutely blasted by one of the most freakishly athletic linebackers in all of college football. Who walks away from that hit? Who doesn't lose time? What planet do you live on that getting hurt from a full blast shoulder drive from Dorian O'Daniel means that you're injury prone?
 
blizz said:
Pointing to missed time or multiple injuries in and of itself does not support the thesis that he is easily injured, not durable, etc. It's that simple.
Does he play recklessly? Yes. Has he missed significant time due to injuries? Yes. Making the jump from there to "therefore he is prone to injury" neglects a whole host of other considerations. How about we start with the hits that he took that injured him? Stanizek (sp?) blasts him helmet to helmet while Dungey is falling forward while being wrap tackled from behind by a 280+ DT. Who walks away from that not injured? What planet do you live on that getting hurt from that hit makes you injury prone? Don't remember the Louisville hit later in 2015 but suffice to say I don't think Dungey should have played the remainder of 2015. 2016 against Clemson, he gets absolutely blasted by one of the most freakishly athletic linebackers in all of college football. Who walks away from that hit? Who doesn't lose time? What planet do you live on that getting hurt from a full blast shoulder drive from Dorian O'Daniel means that you're injury prone?
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This poster is smarter than many of the other posters.

We just need to encourage the notion of paragraphs.
 
Crusty said:
Interesting thread.
Mostly we can only speculate on this season.
However, I think it is fair to say that ED has kept hope alive during a very bad patch and he will be fondly remembered as a great Warrior and one of our best QBs ever.

TD is another special kid. The thing I really love about him is that he is all in. He never wavered during his recruitment. He wants to be here and wants to be the guy that brings us back to the top 25.

So, in a way, I don't care who plays or how much this year, although ED certainly has earned the right to be the guy if it is close, as it might be.

TD's time will come. He will have a better OL and running game and will play before packed domes. He could be our best ever and that's a helluva thing.

We have waited a long time for this. I will enjoy this whoever is on the field.

LGO
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Really well said
 
ED is a unique qb with a crazy competitive streak. All that pounding, from sacks and running, will lead to getting beat up and the hits add up. His arm is about average and vision as well but his desire is second to none. No qb is perfect. I enjoy watching him play and would love to see him lead SU into a bowl game. One of the main things about him is to touch on what Crusty said, he was the stable and cornerstone for this program at qb until HCDB got his ducks in order and now we as fans have a wonderful stable of young QB's to follow. If there was a brick wall in front of ED and it was a chance so SU to go to a bowl game you know for a fact he'd either jump over it or try to go through it without hesitation.

Really like the depth and quality of these qb's. Who can fit the ball into a tight spot? Who can ad-lib (in a good way) when things break down? Who can go quickly through his progressions? There are no clones so to speak as each seems to add something different and I'm excited to see how they do/look in the spring fling.
 
blizz said:
Pointing to missed time or multiple injuries in and of itself does not support the thesis that he is easily injured, not durable, etc. It's that simple.
Does he play recklessly? Yes. Has he missed significant time due to injuries? Yes. Making the jump from there to "therefore he is prone to injury" neglects a whole host of other considerations. How about we start with the hits that he took that injured him? Stanizek (sp?) blasts him helmet to helmet while Dungey is falling forward while being wrap tackled from behind by a 280+ DT. Who walks away from that not injured? What planet do you live on that getting hurt from that hit makes you injury prone? Don't remember the Louisville hit later in 2015 but suffice to say I don't think Dungey should have played the remainder of 2015. 2016 against Clemson, he gets absolutely blasted by one of the most freakishly athletic linebackers in all of college football. Who walks away from that hit? Who doesn't lose time? What planet do you live on that getting hurt from a full blast shoulder drive from Dorian O'Daniel means that you're injury prone?
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you're falling into the trap of equating "injury prone? with weakness or physical defect, which isn't the same as Cusester points out above. Dungey is injury prone because of his playing style. I don't see how that can even be debated. You mention the types of hits it took to injure him. I agree. What you are missing is that he was absorbing more hits and harder hits than he needed to because of his playing style. The Clemson game, for instance, rather than going down he was stretching out for more yards when he got blasted. WR's, RB's, anyone who handles the ball learns how to protect themselves, or else they don't stay on the field.

Part of playing the game at this level is protecting yourself. Dungey doesn't protect himself like he should, which makes him injury prone. A big part of why NFL QB's don't run the same way is because teams want to protect their QB's. It is simple - the more you expose yourself to big hits the more likely one of those big hits will take you out. A QB is always going to take a measure of big hits by virtue of the position he plays. Recklessly taking more than necessary is the issue.

I'm not, nor have ever said Dungey is fragile or weak or physically deficient. I said he was injury prone, the same way I would say that a perfectly healthy person who likes to juggle chainsaws while riding blindfold on a bicycle in highway traffic is injury prone - their choices make injury inevitable.
 
The ED injury prone talk has not been looked at enough in my opinion. His first hit was against CMU at the dome, if i remember right, and was a god awful, illegal hit on a RPO. That hit would have taken out anyone. It was illegal and never should have happened and that is not his fault or the fault of how he plays. Had the guy done a normal hit, who knows. I did not see the game against Louisville when he was hit late so i cant comment. This last year he broke his foot. How does style of play or playing reckless cause you to break your foot? I will say he has been wild but i can not back up that his injuries are a result of his play.
 
Keger03 said:
The ED injury prone talk has not been looked at enough in my opinion. His first hit was against CMU at the dome, if i remember right, and was a god awful, illegal hit on a RPO. That hit would have taken out anyone. It was illegal and never should have happened and that is not his fault or the fault of how he plays. Had the guy done a normal hit, who knows. I did not see the game against Louisville when he was hit late so i cant comment. This last year he broke his foot. How does style of play or playing reckless cause you to break your foot? I will say he has been wild but i can not back up that his injuries are a result of his play.
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If you make your living dancing in thunderstorms, sooner or later lightening will strike you!
 
Crusty said:
If you make your living dancing in thunderstorms, sooner or later lightening will strike you!
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ED delivered much more punishment than he received. I think his aggressiveness at the point of contact (i.e. very Walter Peyton like) actually reduces his risk of injury. Hammer vs nail scenario.

Imo, you're much more likely to be injured when tackled in the pocket than outside of it.

Btw, his foot injury had absolutely nothing to do with style of play.
 
RMH44 said:
ED delivered much more punishment than he received. I think his aggressiveness at the point of contact (i.e. very Walter Peyton like) actually reduces his risk of injury. Hammer vs nail scenario.

Imo, you're much more likely to be injured when tackled in the pocket than outside of it.

Btw, his foot injury had absolutely nothing to do with style of play.
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I think this can be true depending on how you handle yourself outside of the pocket. If you slip or duck under contact like you see a lot of smallish receivers do, Marvin Harrison was brilliant at this, then I agree. When you fight for every last yard like Dungey, I don't. Hopefully an improved offensive line and run game make him feel like he doesn't need to leave the pocket as much this year.
 
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Keger03 said:
The ED injury prone talk has not been looked at enough in my opinion. His first hit was against CMU at the dome, if i remember right, and was a god awful, illegal hit on a RPO. That hit would have taken out anyone. It was illegal and never should have happened and that is not his fault or the fault of how he plays. Had the guy done a normal hit, who knows. I did not see the game against Louisville when he was hit late so i cant comment. This last year he broke his foot. How does style of play or playing reckless cause you to break your foot? I will say he has been wild but i can not back up that his injuries are a result of his play.
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This is well described. Yep, the CMU hit was dirty and illegal -- ball had long left his hand. And would have KO'd anyone.

Against Louisville, it was a really poor coaching decision that even had him in the game at that point.

And the foot is obviously a freak injury not related to reckless play.

I think the only one you can really point to is the run against Clemson, when he would have been wiser to get down, but wound up getting crushed.
 
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