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Class of 2022 QB Henry Belin IV (NY) Offered

Over the last 15-20 years, the recruiting classes have averaged top 60 per year. This program is on its 5th staff since 2001. Most P5 schools strive for a top 25 class, let alone top 10. This program is so far away from that level that I am afraid it is unattainable even once let alone as a yearly average.

The good news is that I think Dino has proven that his system can win at this level. However, in order for it to be sustainable, I do believe that his recruiting classes need to annually be in the top 40. That HAS to be attainable. A top 40 class in this system WILL go farther than most and finally allow this program to be consistently good and not occasionally great.

Unfortunately, time is running short. I am afraid they are backed into a corner and if they do not get at least 5 wins this year and some momentum with recruiting a change could be forthcoming. And no I don’t think any better options are out there but if a BC and Rutgers up the road can put together a top 15-20 class (as they currently are) we damn sure better be able to put together a top 40 class in year 6 of this staffs tenure. And yes, recruiting class rankings do matter!
1. Rutgers and BC won’t finish there.

2. that’s my point Re: top 40. I’m not sure it’s attainable year in and year out. There are other ways to get there. And Shafers top kids never made it here. At least now we are holding our classes together.

3. yeah, gotta be sure that starting over is what’s best. Not there yet for me
 
We play 4 games that we should win. Ohio and Albany have to be Ws. Rutgers and Liberty at home the same.
Between every other game he needs 2 more. At this point in his tenure Dino simply needs to win. He has the facilities and financial support needed. There isn't going to be anything else the administration can do to help him. If he doesn't win he will be fired. If he does he will land better recruits and keep his job.
It's time for Dino to step up.
 
It's time for Dino to step up... Never a truer word was spoken.
I know Dino is a good man. He values his faith, his family, his country.
He's a positive influence.

But is he an above average head football coach?
One that can...
Honestly evaluate HIS coaching in areas of game and clock management.
Constantly drive his players to be stronger, faster and smarter. (last year was a disaster)
Be the disciplinarian or "heavy" when a player messes up.

He's got his coaches in place...He's got more than adequate facilities..
He's got experience on the lines and talent at skill positions.
It's all there.
A worn out fan base yearns for a competent team/program.
No excuses... LGO
 
It's time for Dino to step up... Never a truer word was spoken.
I know Dino is a good man. He values his faith, his family, his country.
He's a positive influence.

But is he an above average head football coach?
One that can...
Honestly evaluate HIS coaching in areas of game and clock management.
Constantly drive his players to be stronger, faster and smarter. (last year was a disaster)
Be the disciplinarian or "heavy" when a player messes up.

He's got his coaches in place...He's got more than adequate facilities..
He's got experience on the lines and talent at skill positions.
It's all there.
A worn out fan base yearns for a competent team/program.
No excuses... LGO
I have been a big supporter of Dino. Was thrilled when he was given the extension. However at this point I'm concerned that he is a turnaround expert but not capable of building a program. Each of his stops including SU have had successful turnarounds. Syracuse is his only long term head coaching job and at this point his foundation has yet to be built. The " new fast" theme seems to be gone or outdated. His D is completely different. Recruiting strong holds don't seem to have been established. In short there doesn't seem to be a solid plan in place to build the program. Hopefully behind the scenes there is one but as a business person I see a leader who can fix but can't build.
 
1. Rutgers and BC won’t finish there.

2. that’s my point Re: top 40. I’m not sure it’s attainable year in and year out. There are other ways to get there. And Shafers top kids never made it here. At least now we are holding our classes together.

3. yeah, gotta be sure that starting over is what’s best. Not there yet for me
Rutgers is extremely likely to finish there this year. Schiano has them rolling on the recruiting trail. If we had the class that they have right now we would be trying to give Dino a lifetime contract.
 
I have been a big supporter of Dino. Was thrilled when he was given the extension. However at this point I'm concerned that he is a turnaround expert but not capable of building a program. Each of his stops including SU have had successful turnarounds. Syracuse is his only long term head coaching job and at this point his foundation has yet to be built. The " new fast" theme seems to be gone or outdated. His D is completely different. Recruiting strong holds don't seem to have been established. In short there doesn't seem to be a solid plan in place to build the program. Hopefully behind the scenes there is one but as a business person I see a leader who can fix but can't build.
Real good points. The offense was instantly better and fun and then slowly has headed downhill to where it is now awful. We were all hopeful that once he brought in his own recruits that things would really be cooking, instead he has brought in all his own guys and things have gone in the toilet. It's debatable that if SS didn't bring in Dungey that Dino would have already been fired too.
 
Real good points. The offense was instantly better and fun and then slowly has headed downhill to where it is now awful. We were all hopeful that once he brought in his own recruits that things would really be cooking, instead he has brought in all his own guys and things have gone in the toilet. It's debatable that if SS didn't bring in Dungey that Dino would have already been fired too.
His O is based on the premise that you take what's given. That's great on paper but Ds have figured out two things.

First the ability to disguise what's given. This requires the O to make good and quick reads. Something that we haven't been doing well.

Second the Ds last year simply decided what they were going to give us and we couldn't take advantage of it.

Last point the Run pass option only works if your QB can pull it off. With Eric he was the primary threat which made it work. Tommy might pull off a run or 2 a game but everyone on the planet knows SU isn't going to win with TD running.
Long story short opposing Ds have Dino's O figured out. I truly believe the only way we win is with an excellent running game that allows Tommy the luxury to take shots or with a solid dual threat QB that maybe Shred is. If and it's a big if we can establish the run Dino has a chance to pull off 6 wins this year. I'm hoping for the best as he seems to be a great guy.
 
If going back 10 years you have to go Dino's 10 years and not Syracuse's. Give Dino credit for Jimmy Garoppolo in 2014. Even though it was a different program he was the head coach and it was his offense. And he had the fat pirate Matt Johnson in 2015 that passed for 5000 yards and 46 TD's.
Fair enough, but he's recruiting to Syracuse now. You can only use Garoppolo for so long before you need someone new and can show continual development.
 
Rutgers is extremely likely to finish there this year. Schiano has them rolling on the recruiting trail. If we had the class that they have right now we would be trying to give Dino a lifetime contract.
Full House No GIF
 
I HATE them as much or more than any other school. It's just depressing to see what they have going on.
They’ve already dropped out of theTop 10. Michigan, Clemson and Alabama (among other factories) are currently behind them. They may have a good year recruiting but Top 10 won’t happen.
 
Rutgers is extremely likely to finish there this year. Schiano has them rolling on the recruiting trail. If we had the class that they have right now we would be trying to give Dino a lifetime contract.

wake us up if they even ever go .500 in their division.
 
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Did I miss something? Has this kid verballed to Duke? Or just received offer?

no, this is all based on some guy giving duke a crystal ball pick. (the same source gave us a bunch of crystal ball picks for players to and they haven't committed here yet either, but none of that matters. we prefer to be schizophrenic.)
 
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no, this is all based on some guy giving duke a crystal ball pick. (those same guys gave us a bunch of crystal ball picks for players to and they haven't committed here yet either, but none of that matters. we prefer to be schizophrenic.)
Ah, in that case I give him a Crystal Orange for Syracuse!
 
They’ve already dropped out of theTop 10. Michigan, Clemson and Alabama (among other factories) are currently behind them. They may have a good year recruiting but Top 10 won’t happen.
0 people have said top 10 so don't know who you are telling. Thats obviously not gonna happen. Top 20 was mentioned and I think thats possible.
 
You can’t fault a kid for wanting the best free education he can get. It isn’t discussed much, but Syracuse University rising in academic rating will help recruiting. Obviously winning does that better than anything. Getting guys into the NFL helps a ton, too. But, sometimes the difference is the academics.
I guess every once in awhile, but your blue chippers usually want the best football education.
I don’t blame them one bit.
 
0 people have said top 10 so don't know who you are telling. Thats obviously not gonna happen. Top 20 was mentioned and I think thats possible.
They were ranked 7th when a poster commented about them finishing in the top 15-20. You agreed that they were extremely likely to finish in that range. I’m just pointing out that as more recruits commit, Rutty will continue to drop. My guess is outside of the 15-20 range. Will they have a better class than Cuse? Most likely. Schiano is selling his return to mediocrity while Dino is coming off of one of the worst years in SU football history.
 

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