Class of 2023 QB Rickie Collins (LA) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (12/20/24)

[Sudano]

Max Klinger > Dave Klingler

Hotlips > Klinger

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The West Coast offense (which we now just call offense) wasn't popularized until Bill Walsh ran the 49ers in the 80's through the early 90's and won Super Bowls with two different quarterbacks playing it.

Even 25 years ago, guys had career numbers comparable to McCord's season this year, and were considered good players.

Look at McNabb's numbers. Even considering we were a run first team, his passing attempts are just ridiculously low by modem standards. His senior year, after which he was drafted second overall, he only attempted 22.8 passes per game. Only 6 teams attempted fewer passes per game this season.

McCord attempted double McNabb's passes per game this season.

Who knows what Philcox, or McNabb, would have done in this modern era.

McNabb would have destroyed teams.

 

[Cusefan69]

Bump...so any confirmation from the player or staff yet?

 

[RyanCuse44]

Bump...so any confirmation from the player or staff yet?

Mike Mc from 2 4 7 confirmed that he has committed with Syracuse.

 

[Cusefan69]

Mike Mc from 2 4 7 confirmed that he has committed with Syracuse.

Saw that. Don't you typically get staff and players publicly confirming that though? I don't think either one has based on other posts in this thread. I could be behind on that information though.

 

[bnoro]

Saw that. Don't you typically get staff and players publicly confirming that though? I don't think either one has based on other posts in this thread. I could be behind on that information though.

Correct. That's why everything seems odd right now. The official CuseFootball account (and Fran) confirmed Fran Jr's signing almost immediately.

All we've gotten (since the Brent error/player post (later deleted)) is an On3 report, Mike, and Dan Tortora.

But I don't think there's reason to panic yet.

 

[Jake]

I think there must no some connection to McCord situation.

 

[Cusefan69]

I think there must no some connection to McCord situation.

Makes sense.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I think there must no some connection to McCord situation.

Pretty sure we saw him with the team this morning in SD.

 

[Cusefan69]

Pretty sure we saw him with the team this morning in SD.

Really? That is great he could join the team and travel. Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Really? That is great he could join the team and travel. Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

A bunch of the transfers were at last year's bowl, weren't they? I distinctly remember McCord on the sideline. Maybe Zeed?

 

[BillSU]

Ive re watched LSU’s spring game. Collins has great arm talent but he needs development.

Just from watching the spring game it looks like he can throw the ball off platform pretty well but he has happy feet in the pocket. He tucks and run after his first read is taken away. Tends to throw off his back foot at times. Didn’t complete his down field throws but was accurate on swings and boundary out routes. Good arm talent and athleticism. He has off script play making potential. All this can improve with coaching and repetition.

If no McCord then we have 3 young talented guys that will battle it out. Could be a transition year. The following year we will have an experienced starter

I do not agree with your assessment of Rickie Collins throwing motion or of his "happy Feet". Google Rickie Collins Elite 11 and watch him throw.

His mechanics are very good from start to finish. He's over the top throwing a very tight spiral which derives from holding the ball in front of his right pec at mid chest level elbow relaxed. 65% of his weight is on his back foot stacked above his head, knee and foot. He's very energized and quick.

This is the way I was taught and I became a dual threat All-State prep QB recruited by five schools. They did not have my major, so I walked onto SU beat out the QB and they gave me a scholie. I ran a 9.7 100 yard dash and was the NJ state champion in that event. The speed helped overall but in some throws while running added to the acceleration and accuracy of the throw. As a senior I threw for 25 TD’s and ran for 20.

I have taught the following to other HS/college QB’s who have gone on to be very successful at their schools.

What I see in the Elite 11 of Rickie is:

Collins has proper sequencing through the "wind-up," "cocking," "acceleration," "deceleration," and "follow-through" stages, ensuring a smooth transition between each phase, utilizing the hips effectively for power, and maintaining a consistent release point with a tight spiral by properly gripping the ball and applying pressure with the index finger as the last point of contact.

Key aspects of each throwing phase:

Wind-up:

Minimal shoulder tension

Ball held comfortably in the throwing hand

Establish a balanced stance

Cocking:

Elbow raised to shoulder height

Weight shifted slightly back on the rear foot

Shoulders begin to rotate slightly towards the target

Acceleration:

Step forward with the front foot towards the target

Hips aggressively rotate through the throw

Elbow drives forward, wrist snaps to release the ball

Deceleration:

Weight transfers fully onto the front foot

Throwing arm extends fully towards the target

Chest faces the target

Follow-through:

Arm finishes across the body with the throwing hand pointing at the target

Maintain balance and stability on the front foot

Throwing thumb pointing down

Important considerations:

Grip: A proper grip with the index finger applying the most pressure helps create a tight spiral.

Body mechanics: Utilizing the entire body, especially the hips, generates maximum power.

Eye focus: Maintaining focus on the target throughout the throwing motion

Practice drills: Implementing drills that focus on specific throwing phases, like "wall drills" for release point accuracy or "ladder drills" for footwork and balance.

 

[orangefog]

I do not agree with your assessment of Rickie Collins throwing motion or of his "happy Feet". Google Rickie Collins Elite 11 and watch him throw.

His mechanics are very good from start to finish. He's over the top throwing a very tight spiral which derives from holding the ball in front of his right pec at mid chest level elbow relaxed. 65% of his weight is on his back foot stacked above his head, knee and foot. He's very energized and quick.

This is the way I was taught and I became a dual threat All-State prep QB recruited by five schools. They did not have my major, so I walked onto SU beat out the QB and they gave me a scholie. I ran a 9.7 100 yard dash and was the NJ state champion in that event. The speed helped overall but in some throws while running added to the acceleration and accuracy of the throw. As a senior I threw for 25 TD’s and ran for 20.

I have taught the following to other HS/college QB’s who have gone on to be very successful at their schools.

What I see in the Elite 11 of Rickie is:

Collins has proper sequencing through the "wind-up," "cocking," "acceleration," "deceleration," and "follow-through" stages, ensuring a smooth transition between each phase, utilizing the hips effectively for power, and maintaining a consistent release point with a tight spiral by properly gripping the ball and applying pressure with the index finger as the last point of contact.

Key aspects of each throwing phase:

Wind-up:

Minimal shoulder tension

Ball held comfortably in the throwing hand

Establish a balanced stance

Cocking:

Elbow raised to shoulder height

Weight shifted slightly back on the rear foot

Shoulders begin to rotate slightly towards the target

Acceleration:

Step forward with the front foot towards the target

Hips aggressively rotate through the throw

Elbow drives forward, wrist snaps to release the ball

Deceleration:

Weight transfers fully onto the front foot

Throwing arm extends fully towards the target

Chest faces the target

Follow-through:

Arm finishes across the body with the throwing hand pointing at the target

Maintain balance and stability on the front foot

Throwing thumb pointing down

Important considerations:

Grip: A proper grip with the index finger applying the most pressure helps create a tight spiral.

Body mechanics: Utilizing the entire body, especially the hips, generates maximum power.

Eye focus: Maintaining focus on the target throughout the throwing motion

Practice drills: Implementing drills that focus on specific throwing phases, like "wall drills" for release point accuracy or "ladder drills" for footwork and balance.

You said "cocking".

 

[money3189]

I do not agree with your assessment of Rickie Collins throwing motion or of his "happy Feet". Google Rickie Collins Elite 11 and watch him throw.

His mechanics are very good from start to finish. He's over the top throwing a very tight spiral which derives from holding the ball in front of his right pec at mid chest level elbow relaxed. 65% of his weight is on his back foot stacked above his head, knee and foot. He's very energized and quick.

This is the way I was taught and I became a dual threat All-State prep QB recruited by five schools. They did not have my major, so I walked onto SU beat out the QB and they gave me a scholie. I ran a 9.7 100 yard dash and was the NJ state champion in that event. The speed helped overall but in some throws while running added to the acceleration and accuracy of the throw. As a senior I threw for 25 TD’s and ran for 20.

I have taught the following to other HS/college QB’s who have gone on to be very successful at their schools.

What I see in the Elite 11 of Rickie is:

Collins has proper sequencing through the "wind-up," "cocking," "acceleration," "deceleration," and "follow-through" stages, ensuring a smooth transition between each phase, utilizing the hips effectively for power, and maintaining a consistent release point with a tight spiral by properly gripping the ball and applying pressure with the index finger as the last point of contact.

Key aspects of each throwing phase:

Wind-up:

Minimal shoulder tension

Ball held comfortably in the throwing hand

Establish a balanced stance

Cocking:

Elbow raised to shoulder height

Weight shifted slightly back on the rear foot

Shoulders begin to rotate slightly towards the target

Acceleration:

Step forward with the front foot towards the target

Hips aggressively rotate through the throw

Elbow drives forward, wrist snaps to release the ball

Deceleration:

Weight transfers fully onto the front foot

Throwing arm extends fully towards the target

Chest faces the target

Follow-through:

Arm finishes across the body with the throwing hand pointing at the target

Maintain balance and stability on the front foot

Throwing thumb pointing down

Important considerations:

Grip: A proper grip with the index finger applying the most pressure helps create a tight spiral.

Body mechanics: Utilizing the entire body, especially the hips, generates maximum power.

Eye focus: Maintaining focus on the target throughout the throwing motion

Practice drills: Implementing drills that focus on specific throwing phases, like "wall drills" for release point accuracy or "ladder drills" for footwork and balance.

Bill I honesty dont care about HS evals/accololades at this point. Im not gonna watch HS film when its been 2 years since he played. I rather watch how his development is going against P4 competition. Based on the limited reps from the spring game. I want to see him set his feet and throw down field. Im not saying he is not gonna be good. Just expressing what I like to see from him at this point.

I appreciate your thorough research though.

 

[007]

I do not agree with your assessment of Rickie Collins throwing motion or of his "happy Feet". Google Rickie Collins Elite 11 and watch him throw.

His mechanics are very good from start to finish. He's over the top throwing a very tight spiral which derives from holding the ball in front of his right pec at mid chest level elbow relaxed. 65% of his weight is on his back foot stacked above his head, knee and foot. He's very energized and quick.

This is the way I was taught and I became a dual threat All-State prep QB recruited by five schools. They did not have my major, so I walked onto SU beat out the QB and they gave me a scholie. I ran a 9.7 100 yard dash and was the NJ state champion in that event. The speed helped overall but in some throws while running added to the acceleration and accuracy of the throw. As a senior I threw for 25 TD’s and ran for 20.

I have taught the following to other HS/college QB’s who have gone on to be very successful at their schools.

What I see in the Elite 11 of Rickie is:

Collins has proper sequencing through the "wind-up," "cocking," "acceleration," "deceleration," and "follow-through" stages, ensuring a smooth transition between each phase, utilizing the hips effectively for power, and maintaining a consistent release point with a tight spiral by properly gripping the ball and applying pressure with the index finger as the last point of contact.

Key aspects of each throwing phase:

Wind-up:

Minimal shoulder tension

Ball held comfortably in the throwing hand

Establish a balanced stance

Cocking:

Elbow raised to shoulder height

Weight shifted slightly back on the rear foot

Shoulders begin to rotate slightly towards the target

Acceleration:

Step forward with the front foot towards the target

Hips aggressively rotate through the throw

Elbow drives forward, wrist snaps to release the ball

Deceleration:

Weight transfers fully onto the front foot

Throwing arm extends fully towards the target

Chest faces the target

Follow-through:

Arm finishes across the body with the throwing hand pointing at the target

Maintain balance and stability on the front foot

Throwing thumb pointing down

Important considerations:

Grip: A proper grip with the index finger applying the most pressure helps create a tight spiral.

Body mechanics: Utilizing the entire body, especially the hips, generates maximum power.

Eye focus: Maintaining focus on the target throughout the throwing motion

Practice drills: Implementing drills that focus on specific throwing phases, like "wall drills" for release point accuracy or "ladder drills" for footwork and balance.

 

[Cusefan69]

The fact that he's practicing with the team is enough for me.

You said "cocking".

Yeah so the impression I got from reading the other posts was maybe that was not accurate information. You chose to believe it and that's cool.
That said Richmondcuse has provided pretty reliable information so figured a 2nd confirmation by him makes it sound like we are good.

 

[orangefog]

Yeah so the impression I got from reading the other posts was maybe that was not accurate information. You chose to believe it and that's cool.
That said Richmondcuse has provided pretty reliable information so figured a 2nd confirmation by him makes it sound like we are good.

Yeah, that was an incomplete thought that I didn’t intend to post. Oops
Edit: I just thought it was funny to single out the one "dirty" word in a long winded post.

 

[BillSU]

Bill I honesty dont care about HS evals/accololades at this point. Im not gonna watch HS film when its been 2 years since he played. I rather watch how his development is going against P4 competition. Based on the limited reps from the spring game. I want to see him set his feet and throw down field. Im not saying he is not gonna be good. Just expressing what I like to see from him at this point.

I appreciate your thorough research though.

Thanks, money3189 and I appreciate you taking the time to read it. I really think he is going to be a good QB for us.

 

[BillSU]

You said "cocking".

Yeah, I did - wow. Just part of getting ready to throw the ball. By the way orangefog, I appreciate your comments on this board they are always well thought out and interesting.

 

[orangefog]

Yeah, I did - wow. Just part of getting ready to throw the ball. By the way orangefog, I appreciate you comments on this board they are always well thought out and interesting.

I know, I just haven't evolved past 3rd grade. And thank you, I can't say they are always well thought out. Most of the time, it is immediate response.

 

[kcsu]

I do not agree with your assessment of Rickie Collins throwing motion or of his "happy Feet". Google Rickie Collins Elite 11 and watch him throw.

His mechanics are very good from start to finish. He's over the top throwing a very tight spiral which derives from holding the ball in front of his right pec at mid chest level elbow relaxed. 65% of his weight is on his back foot stacked above his head, knee and foot. He's very energized and quick.

This is the way I was taught and I became a dual threat All-State prep QB recruited by five schools. They did not have my major, so I walked onto SU beat out the QB and they gave me a scholie. I ran a 9.7 100 yard dash and was the NJ state champion in that event. The speed helped overall but in some throws while running added to the acceleration and accuracy of the throw. As a senior I threw for 25 TD’s and ran for 20.

I have taught the following to other HS/college QB’s who have gone on to be very successful at their schools.

What I see in the Elite 11 of Rickie is:

Collins has proper sequencing through the "wind-up," "cocking," "acceleration," "deceleration," and "follow-through" stages, ensuring a smooth transition between each phase, utilizing the hips effectively for power, and maintaining a consistent release point with a tight spiral by properly gripping the ball and applying pressure with the index finger as the last point of contact.

Key aspects of each throwing phase:

Wind-up:

Minimal shoulder tension

Ball held comfortably in the throwing hand

Establish a balanced stance

Cocking:

Elbow raised to shoulder height

Weight shifted slightly back on the rear foot

Shoulders begin to rotate slightly towards the target

Acceleration:

Step forward with the front foot towards the target

Hips aggressively rotate through the throw

Elbow drives forward, wrist snaps to release the ball

Deceleration:

Weight transfers fully onto the front foot

Throwing arm extends fully towards the target

Chest faces the target

Follow-through:

Arm finishes across the body with the throwing hand pointing at the target

Maintain balance and stability on the front foot

Throwing thumb pointing down

Important considerations:

Grip: A proper grip with the index finger applying the most pressure helps create a tight spiral.

Body mechanics: Utilizing the entire body, especially the hips, generates maximum power.

Eye focus: Maintaining focus on the target throughout the throwing motion

Practice drills: Implementing drills that focus on specific throwing phases, like "wall drills" for release point accuracy or "ladder drills" for footwork and balance.

Thank you for taking the time to break his throwing mechanics down. To my untrained eye he certainly looks the part.

 

[JackBauer44]

Bill I honesty dont care about HS evals/accololades at this point. Im not gonna watch HS film when its been 2 years since he played. I rather watch how his development is going against P4 competition. Based on the limited reps from the spring game. I want to see him set his feet and throw down field. Im not saying he is not gonna be good. Just expressing what I like to see from him at this point.

I appreciate your thorough research though.

Agree Money. I’ve been beating the drum for Collins. I love his potential.

I think his success throwing the ball comes on recentering his weight on an anchor in front of him. When he does that - the ball is impressive. His mobility is a plus but if he can’t stay balanced while moving the pocket, his accuracy will be a negative.

Footwork essentially is effort (IMO). Let’s hope it’s there.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[ezbeezy214]

Willie Goodacre is a Big boy

 

[BillSU]

You can see clearly in these great shots from 007 where Rickie has his fingers and grips the ball. In the top picture you see the progression of his fingers on the ball. His index finger is close to the end of the ball on the top, it allows for the most controlled spin on the ball as it leaves your hand; essentially acting as the "spiral finger" that imparts the majority of the rotation. his middle and ring finger on the laces and pinky just off. His thumb is in line with his middle finger on the bottom of the ball. In the bottom pic you can see the ball is level and his wrist is locked allowing him to throw a tight spiral comparable to Kyle every time.