QB thoughts

[tep624]

We do not have a QB for 2016. Wilson isn't the answer. Long has a chance to be OK, but we aren't striving for OK. Womack, and Dungey, both look promising, but at this point they are total unknowns. If I am Shafer I am bringing in 2 more QB's this year to add to the 2016 QB battle, and pray that 1 of the 6 can be a good ACC QB. Either way it's going to be nervousness all the way up to the first game in 2016.

We should bring 2 QB's in every year considering our track record over the past 15 years.

 

[kcsu]

Lester is going to do a solid job this year. In two to three years we will be wishing that he stays

 

[GoCuse14]

At this point QB is the position I worry about the most, and that includes Hunt next season. I just do not see anything or have seen anything in the last couple years that tells me anyone we have is going to lead us to 8 wins.

 

[MadNY3]

I love AJ but it is hard to find too many QBs of his size that have succeeded. Whomever gets the nod in 2016, just hope it's because he is the best we have, not the least worst

Troy Nunes is around the same size and he successfully inspired the birth of a helluva blog. I have hope.

 

[baggerbob]

his system...

good lord, just what is...his system??

whats he gonna do? reinvent the wheel?

is he walsh, leach, hogorson, kelly??

no.

his pedigree is he went to a directional michigan, coached at a d3 and was overwhelmed as the QB coach during a spring game.

we know enough to not have to have seen a snap.

I really don't see you coaching at a P5 school in football, so quit trying to be a know it all, others can have an opinion, even if it disagree's with yours. A vanilla spring game gives you zero idea what the offense will be.

 

[orangencpolice]

I like AJ alot and think he has a lot of promise. I thought when he played last year the play calling was especially bad and the coaches put him in a lot of unfavorable situations. If AJ gets stronger, improves decision making and if the playcalling improves I think he can be a legit starter for us and have success.

Yes and two years is plenty of time for him to get bigger. I think he would be okay at 200-210 pounds. That isn't much to ask considering he is still a young man and should be growing without S&C.

 

[julaw]

My money is on Dungey for 2016

 

[orangeinjersey]

My money is on Dungey for 2016

Every year we go through the same exercise with the qb of the future. Drew, Hunt, Z Allen, AJ, the kid who didn't qualify, now this new kid, and every year we're disappointed.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I really don't see you coaching at a P5 school in football, so quit trying to be a know it all, others can have an opinion, even if it disagree's with yours. A vanilla spring game gives you zero idea what the offense will be.

peoples opinions are often wrong, im here to educate.

my friend TheCusian here clearly needs sumb edge-emuh-kating and i dont want to see him fail.

youre interfering with my class.

 

[TheCusian]

Every year we go through the same exercise with the qb of the future. Drew, Hunt, Z Allen, AJ, the kid who didn't qualify, now this new kid, and every year we're disappointed.

Yeah, we should stop even having a QB.

 

[TheCusian]

peoples opinions are often wrong, im here to educate. my friend TheCusian here clearly needs sumb edge-emuh-kating and i dont want to see him fail. youre interfering with my class.

I am learning a ton about you, Kaiser.

 

[Pyle]

Every year we go through the same exercise with the qb of the future. Drew, Hunt, Z Allen, AJ, the kid who didn't qualify, now this new kid, and every year we're disappointed.

Disappointed why?

Drew - Never started at OK, all hype with no evidence he would succeed here. Didn't even have 1 year to learn McDs horrible offense.
Hunt - Has played all of 1 1/2 seasons. We went to a bowl game in his first season. We were 2-2 last year when he got hurt. He's 9-6 as the starting QB.
Z. Allen - Never even got here. Stop anointing saviors before they even get to campus. We're still talking about HS kids. (RW included please)
AJ Long - Is still a RS freshman, forced into action for 6 games as a true freshman. Pretty sure not even Jameis Winton played as a true frosh.
The kid who didn't qualify - See Z. Allen

The point is, people get disappointed because for some reason everyone seems to think the next QB in line is going to save us. There is absolutely no realistic view. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But let's at least get them to a point where they're ready to play before we set them up for failure, by that I mean in the S&C program for a couple of years, making grades, and learning how to play at a college level. Not just expecting somebody to walk through the door and and suddenly make us look like Oregon.

 

[TheCusian]

Disappointed why? Drew - Never started at OK, all hype with no evidence he would succeed here. Didn't even have 1 year to learn McDs horrible offense. Hunt - Has played all of 1 1/2 seasons. We went to a bowl game in his first season. We were 2-2 last year when he got hurt. He's 9-6 as the starting QB. Z. Allen - Never even got here. Stop anointing saviors before they even get to campus. We're still talking about HS kids. (RW included please) AJ Long - Is still a RS freshman, forced into action for 6 games as a true freshman. Pretty sure not even Jameis Winton played as a true frosh. The kid who didn't qualify - See Z. Allen The point is, people get disappointed because for some reason everyone seems to think the next QB in line is going to save us. There is absolutely no realistic view. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But let's at least get them to a point where they're ready to play before we set them up for failure, by that I mean in the S&C program for a couple of years, making grades, and learning how to play at a college level. Not just expecting somebody to walk through the door and and suddenly make us look like Oregon.

Yep. I also prefer to think they all will win the job and be all-Americans - more fun that way.

 

[Pyle]

Yep. I also prefer to think they all will win the job and be all-Americans - more fun that way.

As long as you're not dismissing their abilities after a few games as a freshman and casting them aside in favor of 'new blood' then have it. It irks me though when people say the guys we have will never get the job done, they've barely started working.

 

[orangeinjersey]

The point is, people get disappointed because for some reason everyone seems to think the next QB in line is going to save us. There is absolutely no realistic view. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But let's at least get them to a point where they're ready to play before we set them up for failure, by that I mean in the S&C program for a couple of years, making grades, and learning how to play at a college level. Not just expecting somebody to walk through the door and and suddenly make us look like Oregon.

This is my point. Every year around this time we read about the next great kid who is going to save Syracuse. That kid always is a recruit/transfer that hasnt stepped foot on campus. Why cant the guys that are here be the ones that save syracuse

 

[TheCusian]

This is my point. Every year around this time we read about the next great kid who is going to save Syracuse. That kid always is a recruit/transfer that hasnt stepped foot on campus. Why cant the guys that are here be the ones that save syracuse

Fair points. I think that a players flaws come out the longer we see them here in game situations.

 

[Macky44]

I love AJ but it is hard to find too many QBs of his size that have succeeded. Whomever gets the nod in 2016, just hope it's because he is the best we have, not the least worst

 

[jekelish]

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I get the point of this comparison, but Wilson is really the exception to the rule. And not for nothing, his arm strength is faaaaaaar superior to AJ's right now.

I'm not trying to take away from AJ, and again, I hope he succeeds. But he's got a lot stacked against him from a physical standpoint.

 

[Macky44]

I get the point of this comparison, but Wilson is really the exception to the rule. And not for nothing, his arm strength is faaaaaaar superior to AJ's right now.

I'm not trying to take away from AJ, and again, I hope he succeeds. But he's got a lot stacked against him from a physical standpoint.

While i agree he has alot stacked against him, people also have never seen him play with a healthy offensive line and a healthy group of WRs or TEs. Given his success in HS i think we have to give him more time.

 

[RoatanCuse]

Anyone recall ratings of Mc Pherson and Graves when they came on board?

 

[FAL]

Anyone recall ratings of Mc Pherson and Graves when they came on board?

Or McNabb?

 

[SUbear]

Dun hey is pretty solid at this point. I'm not saying he's ready to even scratch the 3 deep, but physically I think he is one of the more put together freshman we have had in awhile. Agree that Womack looks skinny

Did you ever look at Graves? He was one of the thinnest QBs ever, but certainly got the job done. Strength, height, arm strength, and accuracy are much more important. The thing about AJ is he only has the mental aspect of the game unless he can get stronger. Womack is a question mark as is Dungey because they have shown nothing at the college level at this point. We will have to wait and see.
Hunt is the best option this year, after that we can only hope someone steps up.

 

[CuseOnly]

It's highly unlikely that Lester is any of those guys. But there are too many people writing him off due to pedigree and coaching trees - worst kind of metric. We will know 1/3 of the way in.

There are 130+ D1 OC's and only 4 of them are walsh, leach, hogorson, Kelly.

It seems the of the other 126 or so that about 50% of them did a pretty decent job and guided their teams to bowl games. That is all I am asking for at this point and I think Lester is up to it. I for one will give him his shot for a few years.

If he shows that he is good at the job, then my expectations will go much higher.

 

[CuseOnly]

Did you ever look at Graves? He was one of the thinnest QBs ever, but certainly got the job done. Strength, height, arm strength, and accuracy are much more important. The thing about AJ is he only has the mental aspect of the game unless he can get stronger. Womack is a question mark as is Dungey because they have shown nothing at the college level at this point. We will have to wait and see.
Hunt is the best option this year, after that we can only hope someone steps up.

I think AJ can be a Matt Grothe type of player. Grothe was very effective under 6ft but he was also very elusive, had a great arm, could run, was fast and was about 210 lbs. AJ is about 170 and if he played like Grothe would be in deep doo doo, we would be scraping him off the turf.

 

[Crusty]

Newbies
It certainty would be a pleasant surprise if a true freshman QB sees the field anytime soon so I highly discount any of the newbies seizing the reigns next year. If it happens we will all be thrilled. but I am not holding my breath

Long and Wilson
When he was a sophomore, Ryan Nassib gave no indication that he would become an NFL QB! He was too slow, could only throw fastballs, etc, etc. One of these kids might do the same thing. After all, this is college football.

I have no idea what Austin or AJ will be in another year, but they certainly have different attributes. AJ is smaller while Wilson is slower. AJ gives up 3 inches and 40 lbs to Wilson but I might be able to take Austin in the 40. Neither one has demonstrated any ability to read defenses and both were turnover machines (neither was ready to play yet). AJ can run but I question his durability. Wilson like Nassib, has the arm, but it would be asking a lot for him to match Ryan's intelligence.

Seems to me that there is no clear heir apparent and both have this season to develop. We have two great kids here and I am rooting for both. That said, if the Lester offense is truly a heavier package and our incoming RB's develop there will be less need to have the QB run. I realize Lester is recruiting dual threat QB's but I wonder how much they will really run. Remember, our best offense in the last decade was with a slow Ryan Nassib.

While it is fun to speculate, these are college kids - next year they may be quite different. Making guesses at this point is just that - guesses.
Go Cuse!