QB thoughts

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Newbies
It certainty would be a pleasant surprise if a true freshman QB sees the field anytime soon so I highly discount any of the newbies seizing the reigns next year. If it happens we will all be thrilled. but I am not holding my breath

Long and Wilson
When he was a sophomore, Ryan Nassib gave no indication that he would become an NFL QB! He was too slow, could only throw fastballs, etc, etc. One of these kids might do the same thing. After all, this is college football.

I have no idea what Austin or AJ will be in another year, but they certainly have different attributes. AJ is smaller while Wilson is slower. AJ gives up 3 inches and 40 lbs to Wilson but I might be able to take Austin in the 40. Neither one has demonstrated any ability to read defenses and both were turnover machines (nether was ready to play yet). AJ can run but I question his durability. Wilson like Nassib, has the arm, but it would be asking a lot for him to match Ryan's intelligence.

Seems to me that there is no clear heir apparent and both have this season to develop. We have two great kids here and I am rooting for both. That said, if the Lester offense is truly a heavier package and our incoming RB's develop there will be less need to have the QB run. I realize Lester is recruiting dual threat QB's but I wonder how much they will really run. Remember, our best offense in the last decade was with a slow Ryan Nassib.

While it is fun to speculate, these are college kids - next year they may be quite different. Making guesses at this point is just that - guesses.
Go Cuse!

Good post, Crusty.

Couple of observations - Nassib didn't need to be a dual threat in that offense for a couple of reasons. He was very good at reading coverages pre-snap (that and his arm got him to the NFL); they had legitimate threats at WR, and in the running game, and in play action. That's the combination you need to run pro style offenses.

I would guess that Lester/SS are targeting dual threat QBs to be able to counter schemes that will sell out to take away the running game (we are going to see a lot of that from Ds this year). Until we find QBs that are a lot more accurate and WR threats that force teams out of press man, one high coverages, Lester will need to have dual threat QBs, IMO.

 

[Crusty]

Good post, Crusty.

Couple of observations - Nassib didn't need to be a dual threat in that offense for a couple of reasons. He was very good at reading coverages pre-snap (that and his arm got him to the NFL); they had legitimate threats at WR, and in the running game, and in play action. That's the combination you need to run pro style offenses.

I would guess that Lester/SS are targeting dual threat QBs to be able to counter schemes that will sell out to take away the running game (we are going to see a lot of that from Ds this year). Until we find QBs that are a lot more accurate and WR threats that force teams out of press man, one high coverages, Lester will need to have dual threat QBs, IMO.

Good points. Nassib ran the zone read but he was no threat to run. Hard to do that but DM has some pass options as well. I am hoping to see similar things from Lester.

 

[CuseOnly]

Newbies
It certainty would be a pleasant surprise if a true freshman QB sees the field anytime soon so I highly discount any of the newbies seizing the reigns next year. If it happens we will all be thrilled. but I am not holding my breath

Long and Wilson
When he was a sophomore, Ryan Nassib gave no indication that he would become an NFL QB! He was too slow, could only throw fastballs, etc, etc. One of these kids might do the same thing. After all, this is college football.

I have no idea what Austin or AJ will be in another year, but they certainly have different attributes. AJ is smaller while Wilson is slower. AJ gives up 3 inches and 40 lbs to Wilson but I might be able to take Austin in the 40. Neither one has demonstrated any ability to read defenses and both were turnover machines (nether was ready to play yet). AJ can run but I question his durability. Wilson like Nassib, has the arm, but it would be asking a lot for him to match Ryan's intelligence.

Seems to me that there is no clear heir apparent and both have this season to develop. We have two great kids here and I am rooting for both. That said, if the Lester offense is truly a heavier package and our incoming RB's develop there will be less need to have the QB run. I realize Lester is recruiting dual threat QB's but I wonder how much they will really run. Remember, our best offense in the last decade was with a slow Ryan Nassib.

While it is fun to speculate, these are college kids - next year they may be quite different. Making guesses at this point is just that - guesses.
Go Cuse!

I would love to see you race Wilson in the 40...would pay to see that actually.

 

[Crusty]

I would love to see you race Wilson in the 40...would pay to see that actually.

Exactly what Mrs. Crusty said!

 

[qdawgg]

Lester is going to do a solid job this year. In two to three years we will be wishing that he stays

Posts like this in threads like this are what drive me crazy.

To proclaim Lester is going to be a success or a failure right now is just writing posts to write posts. The words are completely meaningless.

It's as if the reason RutgersAl doesn't visit anymore is because he's been so busy sprinkling fairy dust on our fanbase.

 

[CuseOnly]

Posts like this in threads like this are what drive me crazy.

To proclaim Lester is going to be a success or a failure right now is just writing posts to write posts. The words are completely meaningless.

It's as if the reason RutgersAl doesn't visit anymore is because he's been so busy sprinkling fairy dust on our fanbase.

It's no different than posts on here proclaiming he is going to be a failure. Go hammer on those folks, we choose to believe that he will be a good OC. There is no harm in that.

Remember when people thought that Hackett would be bad because he was at best a quality control coach, how'd that turn out for us? Remember when people thought Hackett would be good because he was under the tutelage of Marrone, how'd that work out for us?

Lighten up Francis.

 

[TheCusian]

Posts like this in threads like this are what drive me crazy. To proclaim Lester is going to be a success or a failure right now is just writing posts to write posts. The words are completely meaningless. It's as if the reason RutgersAl doesn't visit anymore is because he's been so busy sprinkling fairy dust on our fanbase.

You have proof otherwise?

 

[qdawgg]

It's no different than posts on here proclaiming he is going to be a failure. Go hammer on those folks, we choose to believe that he will be a good OC. There is no harm in that.

Remember when people thought that Hackett would be bad because he was at best a quality control coach, how'd that turn out for us? Remember when people thought Hackett would be good because he was under the tutelage of Marrone, how'd that work out for us?

Lighten up Francis.

Maybe you should read my entire post.

"To proclaim Lester is going to be a success or a failure right now is just writing posts to write posts"

I've hammered on all extremes for years now. Go read my posts from the Marrone time period, the Hackett time period, the Nassib time period, the Paulus time period... You're clearly missing the point. Maybe the RutgersAl joke rubbed you the wrong way...

 

[qdawgg]

You have proof otherwise?

Proof otherwise of what?

I said we can't proclaim him a savior just because we write it nor can we proclaim him a failure. Do I really need to provide proof that we can't do either of these things?

 

[CuseOnly]

Maybe you should read my entire post before replying. Here, I'll help you out in case the post was too long.

"To proclaim Lester is going to be a success or a failure right now is just writing posts to write posts"

I've hammered on all extremes for years now. Go read my posts from the Marrone time period, the Hackett time period, the Nassib time period, the Paulus time period... You're clearly missing the point. Maybe the RutgersAl joke rubbed you the wrong way...

Did I not post both sides with regard to Hackett to address the "OR" part of your post OR did you miss that part.

I stated my opinion on Lester and how I choose to believe in him. If you don't agree fine but don't lambaste another poster because you don't like extremes one way or the other. That is your problem.

Again...Lighten up Francis.

This board is for discussion or so I thought or should we all have no opinions.

 

[qdawgg]

Did I not post both sides with regard to Hackett to address the "OR" part of your post OR did you miss that part.

I stated my opinion on Lester and how I choose to believe in him. If you don't agree fine but don't lambaste another poster because you don't like extremes one way or the other. That is your problem.

Again...Lighten up Francis.

This board is for discussion or so I thought or should we all have no opinions.

You're absolutely right. Drinking beers and writing without thinking. :bat:
I apologize for being a .

 

[CuseOnly]

You're absolutely right. Drinking beers and writing without thinking. :bat:
I apologize for being a .

Drinking wine myself...welcome to my world

 

[TheCusian]

Proof otherwise of what? I said we can't proclaim him a savior just because we write it nor can we proclaim him a failure. Do I really need to provide proof that we can't do either of these things?

Sorry - you're right.

 

[Millhouse]

Maybe you should read my entire post. "To proclaim Lester is going to be a success or a failure right now is just writing posts to write posts" I've hammered on all extremes for years now. Go read my posts from the Marrone time period, the Hackett time period, the Nassib time period, the Paulus time period... You're clearly missing the point. Maybe the RutgersAl joke rubbed you the wrong way...

Qb play since his arrival counts for something and so does last year's offense

 

[TheCusian]

Qb play since his arrival counts for something and so does last year's offense

Sure - but just how much?

- his QB for just about all of those games has been Hunt - who has his flaws throwing the ball (not sure how much is able to be modified or coached out)

- the OC during that time is someone who Hunt said made things overly complex and by all accounts didn't know what he was doing

- last year's offensive system was crappy then got worse when Hunt did go down. The only Lester QB recruit played as a true freshman and had moments where he looked as good as Hunt (and a bunch where he looked like a freshman)

I agree with your premise that some of the offensive ineptitude can be pinned on Lester during the Mcit reign of terror - but how much you can take from that is pretty weak.

 

[orangeinjersey]

It's no different than posts on here proclaiming he is going to be a failure. Go hammer on those folks, we choose to believe that he will be a good OC. There is no harm in that.

Remember when people thought that Hackett would be bad because he was at best a quality control coach, how'd that turn out for us? Remember when people thought Hackett would be good because he was under the tutelage of Marrone, how'd that work out for us?

Lighten up Francis.

Not to be snarky but there is SOME evidence that COULD sway someone to lean more negative than positive, ie our qb play the last few years, our offense last year under Lester, our spring game this year, our 3-9 campaign last year. Quite honestly, I really don't see anything positive that should have our fan base being so optimistic.

In another thread someone posted something along the lines of 6 or 7 wins is realistic. I would counter that 6 or 7 wins is our absolute best expectation. Realistic is probably 4 or 5 wins. See Vegas over under wins this season.

 

[xc84]

I think Hunt is still an unknown. He was booted from the one game and then injured most of the rest of the season. My take is that Hunt will start and we will all watch to see if he has improved. He plays on Syracuse's football team so I like him.

 

[Millhouse]

Sure - but just how much?

- his QB for just about all of those games has been Hunt - who has his flaws throwing the ball (not sure how much is able to be modified or coached out)

- the OC during that time is someone who Hunt said made things overly complex and by all accounts didn't know what he was doing

- last year's offensive system was crappy then got worse when Hunt did go down. The only Lester QB recruit played as a true freshman and had moments where he looked as good as Hunt (and a bunch where he looked like a freshman)

I agree with your premise that some of the offensive ineptitude can be pinned on Lester during the Mc. . . . it reign of terror - but how much you can take from that is pretty weak.

just because I think mcdonald was a dope doesn't mean I believe hunt.

passer ratings 107th and 129th in the country

he has a lot of legitimate excuses but not enough to get me to the point of ignoring that.

it's amazing that a qb coach with that kind of performance got a promotion

it's fun to think about how bad the QB play would've needed to be for shafer to say ooook we might want to rethink this

 

[SUskibum]

I'm not saying Lester has a good or bad track record yet but two things I would note are that his starting QB is 9-7 even while results being weighed down by McF$&@it's offensive prowess. He obviously hasn't gotten to run his installed offense yet but also worth noting is the fact he has never even had his starting QB take a snap where he was the OC.

I really like and believe in the spread offense (spread to run and spread to pass) but I will say I also really like going against the grain. To me if we are one of the few schools featuring TE and Hbacks we are likely fishing from a better stocked pond than the majority of schools recruiting players to fit into the spread. Hit it where they ain't... Isn't that the saying? If we are top 5-10 in TE/Hback production year after year I bet we will have a great chance of landing a top kid or two each cycle because who doesn't want to be the next highly drafted TE?

 

[kcsu]

With Lester you are going to see a power run game, vertical passing,just enough run out of the QB to make the D pay attention with a sprinkle of hurry up every now and then. Based on his experiance as a QB and his interviews he believes in a balanced attack. Loves to throw the ball but realizes the importance of having a strong run game. Im not sure about this year but long term i like this staff and i like Lester as our OC

 

[TheCusian]

With Lester you are going to see a power run game, vertical passing,just enough run out of the QB to make the D pay attention with a sprinkle of hurry up every now and then. Based on his experiance as a QB and his interviews he believes in a balanced attack. Loves to throw the ball but realizes the importance of having a strong run game. Im not sure about this year but long term i like this staff and i like Lester as our OC

But his coaching tree sucks

 

[TheCusian]

just because I think mcdonald was a dope doesn't mean I believe hunt. passer ratings 107th and 129th in the country he has a lot of legitimate excuses but not enough to get me to the point of ignoring that. it's amazing that a qb coach with that kind of performance got a promotion it's fun to think about how bad the QB play would've needed to be for shafer to say ooook we might want to rethink this

It's not amazing if you believe that the guy with the inside scoop (Shafer) could see just how bad Mcit was. He'd know how much of that was Hunt and how much was George and how much was Lester.

I'm not absolving Lester of all offensive issues. He was there, he was a part of that. He was also reportedly the guy making the calls the back end of Shafer's first season... Credit for that? Naw.

 

[Crusty]

But his coaching tree sucks

Trees suck (pollen).

 

[Crusty]

In fairness, we should hold off final judgment until he has a chance to run his offense with his recruits. At least that is MO.

 

[baggerbob]

The receivers the last 2 years have not been good, and M was supposed to be the receivers coach, so he wasn't good at that either. That means he wasn't good at Offensive Co-ordinator, Wide Receivers coach, or recruiting that's 3 for 3.