QB thoughts

[timkay99]

because I know there are few, if any, kids in the program who work harder.

From years of being around professional athletes, this is all that matter.

If you have the work ethic, you will make yourself into a starter. He will be able to get a lot stronger if the work ethic is true.

Long faced ACC level competition as a frosh with a poor OL and little WR weapons. He needed a redshirt and if he actually gets it this year as planned, I don't know how anyone can think someone is ahead of him.

It's not like Womack or Dungey are coming in as Adonis's. They will both need to get a lot stronger as well.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

From years of being around professional athletes, this is all that matter.

If you have the work ethic, you will make yourself into a starter. He will be able to get a lot stronger if the work ethic is true.

Long faced ACC level competition as a frosh with a poor OL and little WR weapons. He needed a redshirt and if he actually gets it this year as planned, I don't know how anyone can think someone is ahead of him.

It's not like Womack or Dungey are coming in as Adonis's. They will both need to get a lot stronger as well.

Dun hey is pretty solid at this point. I'm not saying he's ready to even scratch the 3 deep, but physically I think he is one of the more put together freshman we have had in awhile. Agree that Womack looks skinny

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Here's the thing. Both Womack and Dungey were guys we went in on late. Now, that doesn't mean they won't be good, and for Long and Wilson their recruitment started two OCs ago, but for a position as critical as QB I want somebody the staff generally had their eye on for a while. Maybe Dungey and Womack end up being diamonds in the rough, but the truth is, Long was a desired peice of the program for a long time, and while he didn't play well last season, he should have been redshirting and learning instead of being thrown in to the fire behind a slap dash line. I can only be encouraged that he did anything positive in that situation.

People are talking here like Dungey and Womack are the answer, and they're the ones that have proven nothing and are guys we barely know anything about. Long at least made some plays. Wilson at least saw the field.

AJ Long for starting QB, student body Predisent, and athletic director.

Hell, give him 44.

At this point, I don't think it matters how long we are on qbs or where they fall into the mix as far as how long we recruited them or if they are our first choice. We have whiffed on all sorts of kids that have committed here, first choices, late choices, transfers, 2nd choices etc. at this point, we just need to get it right once.

Strength to me is in the numbers just keep recruiting the position, the athletes can change positions and kids can transfer

 

[jekelish]

From years of being around professional athletes, this is all that matter.

If you have the work ethic, you will make yourself into a starter. He will be able to get a lot stronger if the work ethic is true.

Long faced ACC level competition as a frosh with a poor OL and little WR weapons. He needed a redshirt and if he actually gets it this year as planned, I don't know how anyone can think someone is ahead of him.

It's not like Womack or Dungey are coming in as Adonis's. They will both need to get a lot stronger as well.

I don't disagree with most of what you say here. The difference between AJ and Dungey/Womack physically is that he's MAYBE 6-feet...they're both a legit 6-3. I'm not saying they're both going to be better than AJ. I hope he progresses enough that we don't have to throw either of them into the fire. Just saying that physically, they definitely have an advantage (both are excellent athletes - they'll be the most athletics QBs on the roster this year by a pretty safe margin, from what I've seen).

 

[Full_Rebar]

I don't disagree with most of what you say here. The difference between AJ and Dungey/Womack physically is that he's MAYBE 6-feet...they're both a legit 6-3. I'm not saying they're both going to be better than AJ. I hope he progresses enough that we don't have to throw either of them into the fire. Just saying that physically, they definitely have an advantage (both are excellent athletes - they'll be the most athletics QBs on the roster this year by a pretty safe margin, from what I've seen).

AJ Long is about 2 inches short of 6 feet-depending on his hair. He's probably not going to grow, so he should be working on speed as well as his passing. Would love it if SU football would go back to sending some guys to train with track in the winter, it's not as though Hicks is some kind of speed guru.

 

[anomander]

That's exactly why I was desperately hoping we'd land John O'Korn...

What bothers me is we never even made a serious push for O'Korn, or O'Conner. All that hype was fan speculation based on a PS article that didn't have anything behind it. imo either one would have been a perfect fit, but for some reason we didn't feel the need?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What bothers me is we never even made a serious push for O'Korn, or O'Conner. All that hype was fan speculation based on a PS article that didn't have anything behind it. imo either one would have been a perfect fit, but for some reason we didn't feel the need?

Yeah, seems weird.

 

[orangechef]

Give A.J. another year to get bigger and stronger, while getting a good grip on the system we are running now, and I am confident he is going to be great. Kid is smart, really fast, throws a nice ball, and most importantly in my opinion, he is loaded with confidence and shows a ton of moxie. Appears to be a natural leader. Love this kid.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

I think we may be lost at sea with at least one of our back up QBs this year!

 

[jekelish]

Give A.J. another year to get bigger and stronger, while getting a good grip on the system we are running now, and I am confident he is going to be great. Kid is smart, really fast, throws a nice ball, and most importantly in my opinion, he is loaded with confidence and shows a ton of moxie. Appears to be a natural leader. Love this kid.

I hope you're right. I just don't see the "throws a nice ball" thing. He threw some solid passes here and there, but I was really disappointed by his lack of arm strength. He's super confident...he's a great leader...but I'm just not sure he'll ever be the kind of QB who will start for a winning team. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[baggerbob]

I hope you're right. I just don't see the "throws a nice ball" thing. He threw some solid passes here and there, but I was really disappointed by his lack of arm strength. He's super confident...he's a great leader...but I'm just not sure he'll ever be the kind of QB who will start for a winning team. I hope I'm wrong.

The only person who was able to get the ball to Ismael was AJ, I hope the only time Wilson is under center in the next 2 years is mop up duty. When you have a complete lack of poise against Villanova, and later in the year he still showed no ability to check down on receivers or move in the pocket. Wilson is not the answer at QB.

 

[jekelish]

The only person who was able to get the ball to Ismael was AJ, I hope the only time Wilson is under center in the next 2 years is mop up duty. When you have a complete lack of poise against Villanova, and later in the year he still showed no ability to check down on receivers or move in the pocket. Wilson is not the answer at QB.

I've never thought Wilson was the answer. He has a strong arm but that's about it.

 

[timkay99]

Dun hey is pretty solid at this point. I'm not saying he's ready to even scratch the 3 deep, but physically I think he is one of the more put together freshman we have had in awhile. Agree that Womack looks skinny

I don't disagree about Dungey, but if he is forced onto the field as a true frosh, he is going to look mighty small. Just so rare for Syracuse to have incoming recruits who are physically ready for the field.

I don't disagree with most of what you say here. The difference between AJ and Dungey/Womack physically is that he's MAYBE 6-feet...they're both a legit 6-3. I'm not saying they're both going to be better than AJ. I hope he progresses enough that we don't have to throw either of them into the fire. Just saying that physically, they definitely have an advantage (both are excellent athletes - they'll be the most athletics QBs on the roster this year by a pretty safe margin, from what I've seen).

For me (and this is just me, everyone is obviously different w/ their experiences driving them), but I think height is one of the more overrated aspects of QB prospects. Everyone drools for the 6'5" dude with the cannon arm, but the ability to throw accurate passes on time and lead are the most important things for the position. I reserve judgement for the athleticism, as I want to see what Lester does with Hunt's athleticism. Obviously it all comes down to an OC that can scheme some things.

I do think Long will have enough arm to make nearly every throw. For me, he was a better passer then the Hunt we saw last year.

Hopefully, the QB in 2016 just needs to throw about 15 passes a game while Robert Washington runs it down opponents throats!

 

[RMH44]

Doug Flutie?

Doug Flutie was a small QB with a big arm and an unbelievable feel for the game. So far, the only similar trait shared by AJ and DF is being short.

 

[Millhouse]

someday we'll install an offense that makes it easy for QBs

nunes
williams
anderson
patterson
robinson
dantley
fields
paulus
nassib
allen
hunt
long
wilson
kimble

one good year passing out of all those chances

someday we'll have a coach that knows what he's doing and runs an ordinary, recognizable, and effective offense that allows qbs to be useful before they're seniors

 

[TheCusian]

someday we'll install an offense that makes it easy for QBs nunes williams anderson patterson robinson dantley fields paulus nassib allen hunt long wilson kimble one good year passing out of all those chances someday we'll have a coach that knows what he's doing and runs an ordinary, recognizable, and effective offense that allows qbs to be useful before they're seniors

Lester could be that guy. You don't know.

 

[Millhouse]

Lester could be that guy. You don't know.

he's had plenty of time to coach qbs here.

 

[TheCusian]

he's had plenty of time to coach qbs here.

You haven't seen a snap of his QB's in his system.

 

[Pyle]

Holy crap. Already writing off our entire roster of QBs? Get the funk out people. AJ's size isn't the end all, be all statistic. Paulus was 6-1, 195 and survived fine. As for Long/Wilson getting written off after last year all I can say is you've got to be kidding me. No offense but you can't judge those guys running McF'its offense. No McFing way. It was horrible, absolutely horrible. It had zero identity, not even the mastermind behind the offense could describe it in an interview. No flo, no attacking gameplan, just a well idk, it, let's do it! How does a QB get a feel for that system. Especially when you only get 2 games to run it before you get slaughtered and the next guy in line has to pick up your bullets because they army can't afford ammunition for everyone. Long is only a redshirt frosh, Wilson is a sophomore. They shouldn't have been forced into action last year and to expect different results based on the vast amount of injuries last year is insane. Some people are annointing the incoming frosh as the saviors? C'mon guys, I've been watching for close to 20 years, we don't recruit kids who can come and play right away and every time we try we IT UP...i.e. Fields, Arob, etc. Throwing these guys away after one of the worst injury bugs I've ever seen, running a McChicken offense, called for 1/2 the season by a guy who didn't even come up with it is insane. Give the guys a chance. We actually have to develop players here, we don't draft them out of HS like Bama.

 

[KaiserUEO]

You haven't seen a snap of his QB's in his system.

his system...

good lord, just what is...his system??

whats he gonna do? reinvent the wheel?

is he walsh, leach, hogorson, kelly??

no.

his pedigree is he went to a directional michigan, coached at a d3 and was overwhelmed as the QB coach during a spring game.

we know enough to not have to have seen a snap.

 

[TheCusian]

his system... good lord, just what is...his system?? whats he gonna do? reinvent the wheel? is he walsh, leach, hogorson, kelly?? no. his pedigree is he went to a directional michigan, coached at a d3 and was overwhelmed as the QB coach during a spring game. we know enough to not have to have seen a snap.

Kelly coached at New Hampshire. Leach coached at Voldasta State. Holgerson at Wingate. Walsh was a high school swim coach.

Holgerson played at Iowa Wesleyan.

You also told me the Giants would finish ahead of the Eagles last year and that grades don't matter to recruits parents.

His system was recently cited as a "spread-like system" on ESPN.

I don't know if it will work or not. But neither do you.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Kelly coached at New Hampshire. Leach coached at Voldasta State. Holgerson at Wingate. Walsh was a high school swim coac
Holgerson played at Iowa Wesleyan.

You also told me the Giants would finish ahead of the Eagles last year and that grades don't matter to recruits parents.

His system was recently cited as a "spread-like system" on ESPN.

I don't know if it will work or not. But neither do you.

i dont really have an answer for kelly, so lets hope hes half as good as him.

the others, all learned their trade and worked their way up.

i will tell you every year that the iggs will finish behind the Giants. so will the pokes and red storm.

5th SuperBowl title and a 3rd MVP for Eli is coming up this year.

dont know what you mean about with the grades.

where do think he will fall on the 'kelly curve' if i may?

i got him closer to the left than the right.

 

[AZOrange]

Thread is depressing. Ugh...

 

[jekelish]

Wasn't it rumored that at the tail end of 2013, when Terrel Hunt had his best stretch, it was because Lester was calling the plays?

And then last year, Lester didn't get a chance to have Hunt by the time he was the official offensive coordinator. I'm willing to give him a little slack and see what he can actually do now that he's got the official title.

 

[TheCusian]

i dont really have an answer for kelly, so lets hope hes half as good as him. the others, all learned their trade and worked their way up. i will tell you every year that the iggs will finish behind the Giants. so will the pokes and red storm. 5th SuperBowl title and a 3rd MVP for Eli is coming up this year. dont know what you mean about with the grades. where do think he will fall on the 'kelly curve' if i may? i got him closer to the left than the right.

It's highly unlikely that Lester is any of those guys. But there are too many people writing him off due to pedigree and coaching trees - worst kind of metric. We will know 1/3 of the way in.