Quincy Guerrier transferring to Oregon

[Orangefan1]

These players are our best sources of information as to what is really happening to our bball program and none of it has been positive in developing their games for the future

 

[xc84]

Centers and PF dont get many assists

The good ones get some though

 

[20plus]

It was mostly tongue in cheek. Congrats on your post count though. I think our lack of athleticism is an enormous problem on both ends of the floor next year.

Me too

 

[hoopsupstate]

For what it’s worth, I’m sure we recruited him as a 3 and it was us that didn’t hold up our end of the promise (which is understandable due to injuries last year). He’s doing the right thing by going to a school that can hopefully get him squarely into the NBA. If he came back and played the 4 or 5 next year here, that wouldn’t have happened.

Unfortunately for Quincy, he didn’t demonstrate the skills to play the three. That’s on him not SU.

 

[xc84]

He’s 22

 

[orangefog]

If he shows SF skills at Oregon, then one of two things happened. He developed them over the summer or he wasn’t free to show them at Syracuse. But, wouldn’t it be foolish for JB to keep a player from using skills if they are good enough for high major D1 basketball? Like Kadary with his jump shot. It was a skill that just wasn’t ready. So, stick to what you’re good at. I love Q, but the kid is not a 3. He had some drives this year. Some were effective, but he is not a natural ball handler. He is better at taking two or three dribbles and then turning and getting his ass into his man and using his body to create room for a shot.

 

[Alsacs]

People don’t get JB wants to win games not develop players for pro basketball.
If the goals mesh then it works.
If JB wants a player to play his way not the way that helps the pro game then this stuff happens.
I don’t blame Quincy one bit.
If he shows a SF game it won’t be because he “developed” it over this summer it will be because he won’t be playing out of position.
We play a lot of guys out of position to maintain our current run.
Marek isn’t a natural C.
Joe isn’t a natural PG.
Quincy is a SF in pro ball in college he could be a tweener but he doesn’t want to do the dirty work for a team that is just decent.
If we were a NC contender I could see him doing it because winning is fun.

 

[Cusefan69]

People don’t get JB wants to win games not develop players for pro basketball.
If the goals mesh then it works.
If JB wants a player to play his way not the way that helps the pro game then this stuff happens.
I don’t blame Quincy one bit.
If he shows a SF game it won’t be because he “developed” it over this summer it will be because he won’t be playing out of position.
We play a lot of guys out of position to maintain our current run.
Marek isn’t a natural C.
Joe isn’t a natural PG.
Quincy is a SF in pro ball in college he could be a tweener but he doesn’t want to do the dirty work for a team that is just decent.
If we were a NC contender I could see him doing it because winning is fun.

The first 3 lines of your comment also are applicable to about 98 percent of the coaches out there as well. So for clarity JB is not going rogue or anything, he is doing what he thinks, right or wrong from a fan perspective of what will bring the program success. Nothing unique is happening here.

 

[TexanMark]

Looking forward to watching him with Walton next year.

Underrated (liked) post.

I have a response to this that's far more amusing than any post so far in the thread...

A man who wished he was in college in the 70s.

 

[City of Cuse]

People don’t get JB wants to win games

 

[AZOrange]

If Q really wants to develop his pro game he will go G league route and skip Oregon altogether. The NBA process is the only way he will get that work in.

 

[bpo57]

We have a legendary program and a legendary coach. Players should want their games to be best for team and let the chips fall as they may on nba prospects

scouts aren’t dumb

Maybe I took it the wrong way but you gave me the feeling transferring to Oregon was akin to signing on to a low D-1 school.

 

[Newhouser]

So do we think Q was told you aren't getting any NBA related opportunity? I think watching what has happened to Oshae would sell me on getting into the NBA feeder programs and working on my game full time rather than trying to prove myself at another P5 school.

I said it with Bazely and it has further been solidified for me with Oshae (who I never thought would play a minute in the league), your game improves at a much higher level outside the college environment than in it. Coaching outside of the hallowed halls of the university system in undervalued by lots of folks on this board.

 

[the villager]

The proof is in the pudding “ as they say” if he stands out at Oregon it’s on us if not it’s on him.

 

[Hopkins16]

I like Q, but Wallace had 10 times the dribbling skills that he has and was a wayyy better athlete.

Fans here are going to make the comparison to Oshae and I don’t think thats even a good one as Oshae was a way better athlete and much better ball handler.

I’m sure it came down to JB saying Benny is our SF next year and Quincy wasn’t down with being in the same role as this year because that wasn’t going to win over NBA scouts.

I called it over a month ago that Guerrier's only shot at a good look from the NBA is to go back to college and display ball handling and perimeter skills. In today's NBA, any 6'7 or 6'8 forward MUST display those skills. Boeheim hasn't adjusted to this and doesn't care. You can't ask a forward with NBA potential to not shoot the ball and keep playing them out of position. Recruits see this and that is why we keep losing out on guys we should get. Q is a good guy, I wish him well.

 

[Bayside44]

Just my take - but Q made it very apparent SU was not developing him for the nba. Current players and recruits care so much more about the nba than what is ever shared. It is literally all these kids talk about. When guys like Oshae improve 10x NOT being at Syracuse and then a guy like Q bounces to another program, so THEY can develop him more effectively, I got some questions for SU on this...

OB played minor league ball for a year and half. JB wasn't interested in having him jack up a bunch of step back 3s.

We recruit AAAA kids a lot, I guess this is part of the outcome of that.

 

[Bayside44]

People don’t get JB wants to win games not develop players for pro basketball.
If the goals mesh then it works.
If JB wants a player to play his way not the way that helps the pro game then this stuff happens.
I don’t blame Quincy one bit.
If he shows a SF game it won’t be because he “developed” it over this summer it will be because he won’t be playing out of position.
We play a lot of guys out of position to maintain our current run.
Marek isn’t a natural C.
Joe isn’t a natural PG.
Quincy is a SF in pro ball in college he could be a tweener but he doesn’t want to do the dirty work for a team that is just decent.
If we were a NC contender I could see him doing it because winning is fun.

After a decade of college ball pre season ACC POY Garrison Brooks isn't going pro either...some guys, that's just their game.

 

[cuseincincy]

He wants to play in the NBA.

The NBA told him his best chance is to play the "3".

He wouldn't be a "3" here. Not nearly enough perimeter opportunities.

Oregon is willing to let him audition as a "3".

Yeah we will see how long that lasts until Altman asks him to do the same things SU did because of his skillset and what the team needs.

 

[orangefog]

People don’t get JB wants to win games not develop players for pro basketball.
If the goals mesh then it works.
If JB wants a player to play his way not the way that helps the pro game then this stuff happens.
I don’t blame Quincy one bit.
If he shows a SF game it won’t be because he “developed” it over this summer it will be because he won’t be playing out of position.
We play a lot of guys out of position to maintain our current run.
Marek isn’t a natural C.
Joe isn’t a natural PG.
Quincy is a SF in pro ball in college he could be a tweener but he doesn’t want to do the dirty work for a team that is just decent.
If we were a NC contender I could see him doing it because winning is fun.

I didn’t mean that he would have to completely develop SF skills from scratch. But, they aren’t ACC ready and certainly not NBA ready. And that’s fine. You know he is working his ass off on these skills. And, I hope it works. One thing with Q, you know he will put in the work. I wish he were staying, and as an upperclassman, given the chance to broaden his game.

 

[PhatOrange]

Maybe they can develop his ability to make layups.

He can't dribble to save his life. Good luck.

 

[Hopkins16]

He tried putting the ball on the floor more than a few times getting it stolen, called for charges or being walled off. He just has a ton of work to do there. Plus from the perimeter he doesn't have a very good first step and isn't very fluid going to his left. He is a hard worker and he will get better but he isn't a guard or SF right now.

That is why he is in college. To grow his game and progress. Guys leave Syracuse with the same skill set they come in with. If you can't shoot, you are told not to shoot or you will sit. No skill development or encouragement to broaden your game - recruits are aware of this and yet we still see posts blaming McNamara or assistant coaches for not being able to close. We can't get any top recruits from New Jersey because AAU and high school coaches still haven't got over Roberson's stunted growth and mismanagement.

 

[Orangezoo]

That is why he is in college. To grow his game and progress. Guys leave Syracuse with the same skill set they come in with. If you can't shoot, you are told not to shoot or you will sit. No skill development or encouragement to broaden your game - recruits are aware of this and yet we still see posts blaming McNamara or assistant coaches for not being able to close. We can't get any top recruits from New Jersey because AAU and high school coaches still haven't got over Roberson's stunted growth and mismanagement.

Your post insinuates a lot. Quite a waste of University money if no one is doing their job on the staff. Why hasn't the whole staff been fired and replaced if they aren't doing their job?

 

[Bayside44]

That is why he is in college. To grow his game and progress. Guys leave Syracuse with the same skill set they come in with. If you can't shoot, you are told not to shoot or you will sit. No skill development or encouragement to broaden your game - recruits are aware of this and yet we still see posts blaming McNamara or assistant coaches for not being able to close. We can't get any top recruits from New Jersey because AAU and high school coaches still haven't got over Roberson's stunted growth and mismanagement.

If a guy cannot shoot, well they shouldn't shoot.

And historically JB has allowed guys to "broaden" their games. Wallace, Hak, Fair were all shooting 3s by the time they left.

QG did more this year than year one. If he got better he'd have more room to show it/

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[Scooch]

I thought I'd be mad about this, but I'm not. At all.

Quincy is a good player, and I'd rather have him at SU than not. Despite the proclamations from some folks, we don't know that what we have coming in (Swider, Jimmy Jr.) will be an improvement. They'll be different, but not necessarily better. We'll see.

That being said, I don't buy that Q didn't have a chance to "develop his game" here. Yes, he may have been playing a bit out of position, relative to where he'd slot in the NBA. But I watched the games, and he was absolutely allowed to expand his game this past season. He took 3X the number of three pointers as he did the year before.

I don't know if he was hurt or what, but he definitely plateaued as the season progressed. Six double-doubles in the first 11 games, then just 3 in the next 17. Second most minutes on the team, but just 6th in assists.

I'd like to have seen him at SU next season, but if he feels a change of scenery is best, then good luck to him. I think he had ample opportunity at SU this past season, and I guess he thinks it didn't work out. It happens, I don't think there's a need to place raging blame on JB...and I'd be at the front of the line if I thought there should be.

 

[RF2044]

If a guy cannot shoot, well they shouldn't shoot.

And historically JB has allowed guys to "broaden" their games. Wallace, Hak, Fair were all shooting 3s by the time they left.

QG did more this year than year one. If he got better he'd have more room to show it/

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Agreed. And upperclassmen that are proven commodities tend to get more latitude, as well.

Frankly, I thought that JB gave Guerrier the green light to shoot threes LAST year. And he showed that he could be at least a credible threat from out there.

Now, the rest of the stuff? I'm more skeptical about the rest of the aspects of playing wing, in terms of Quincy's skill set. But I wish him the best.