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Quincy Guerrier transferring to Oregon

Scooch said:
I thought I'd be mad about this, but I'm not. At all.

Quincy is a good player, and I'd rather have him at SU than not. Despite the proclamations from some folks, we don't know that what we have coming in (Swider, Jimmy Jr.) will be an improvement. They'll be different, but not necessarily better. We'll see.

That being said, I don't buy that Q didn't have a chance to "develop his game" here. Yes, he may have been playing a bit out of position, relative to where he'd slot in the NBA. But I watched the games, and he was absolutely allowed to expand his game this past season. He took 3X the number of three pointers as he did the year before.

I don't know if he was hurt or what, but he definitely plateaued as the season progressed. Six double-doubles in the first 11 games, then just 3 in the next 17. Second most minutes on the team, but just 6th in assists.

I'd like to have seen him at SU next season, but if he feels a change of scenery is best, then good luck to him. I think he had ample opportunity at SU this past season, and I guess he thinks it didn't work out. It happens, I don't think there's a need to place raging blame on JB...and I'd be at the front of the line if I thought there should be.
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I'm just pretending it's not happening.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Just my take - but Q made it very apparent SU was not developing him for the nba. Current players and recruits care so much more about the nba than what is ever shared. It is literally all these kids talk about. When guys like Oshae improve 10x NOT being at Syracuse and then a guy like Q bounces to another program, so THEY can develop him more effectively, I got some questions for SU on this...
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Checked the Oregon roster. They do not have a point guard unless the senior guard, Hardy returns for a 5th year.

It is a question now what position Quincy (listed as a small forward) will play . He wants to demonstrate his perimeter skills but may have to work on his ball handling skills.

I was going to say that most of the guards (with the exception of two) are rated as 2* by Berbal Co__its coming out of high school but that does not mean much because Quincy was rated as a 2* also.
 
Bayside44 said:
OB played minor league ball for a year and half. JB wasn't interested in having him jack up a bunch of step back 3s.

We recruit AAAA kids a lot, I guess this is part of the outcome of that.
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Depends on the player, IMO.

The 2nd part, absolutely. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
 
50YRsofCuse said:
Checked the Oregon roster. They do not have a point guard unless the senior guard, Hardy returns for a 5th year.

It is a question now what position Quincy (listed as a small forward) will play . He wants to demonstrate his perimeter skills but may have to work on his ball handling skills.

I was going to say that most of the guards (with the exception of two) are rated as 2* by Berbal Co__its coming out of high school but that does not mean much because Quincy was rated as a 2* also.
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Oregon has Harmon, the transfer from OU coming in.
 
Scotch said:
I mean find a way to let him expand his skillset a bit while keeping him in the program. Get creative with offensive sets using both the 3 and the 4. Show him tape of John Wallace. Show him a path for him and Benny to do what they do well here. Losing Q and Kadary is absolutely devastating to our upside next year.
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JB said his three point shot had improved significantly and would get even better. JB said he needed to work on putting the ball on the floor and driving and that the staff was working with him on that. Quincy is smart enough to see that there is an opportunity for a PF to do those things in the Syracuse system. Last PF to do so was another Canadian and he's doing pretty well right now! JB did not say you can sit on the perimeter and fire up threes all night. His greatest value to Syracuse is being a blue collar rebounder, but apparently Quincy doesn't want to contribute in that way any longer. And frankly, faced with a perimeter oriented three auditioning for the NBA on a team loaded with perimeter players, this is probably the best for both parties.
 
Consigliere said:
JB said his three point shot had improved significantly and would get even better. JB said he needed to work on putting the ball on the floor and driving and that the staff was working with him on that. Quincy is smart enough to see that there is an opportunity for a PF to do those things in the Syracuse system. Last PF to do so was another Canadian and he's doing pretty well right now! JB did not say you can sit on the perimeter and fire up threes all night. His greatest value to Syracuse is being a blue collar rebounder, but apparently Quincy doesn't want to contribute in that way any longer. And frankly, faced with a perimeter oriented three auditioning for the NBA on a team loaded with perimeter players, this is probably the best for both parties.
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I wish Q the best. All these kids are gambling a bit with being able to step right in with just a few months around new teammates to make a big splash. QG, just like Cole and Symir, is going where he knows the staff and program. It's a smart move if you are going to make a move at all to be familiar with your surroundings.

I could see Altman selling Dillon Brooks(another from the great white north) to QG as a model. QG has a ways to go to be that kind of player but if you want to sell it- there is the comparison.
 
djcon57 said:
psssst. He left for the same reason.
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And UK kids either head to the NBA or bolt via Txfr for those same reasons too. If there is more than a handful of high major programs that can keep more than 10 kids every year going forward I would be shocked. The true platoon approach like FSU is probably the only way and there just aren't that many programs like that today
 
Orangezoo said:
And UK kids either head to the NBA or bolt via Txfr for those same reasons too. If there is more than a handful of high major programs that can keep more than 10 kids every year going forward I would be shocked. The true platoon approach like FSU is probably the only way and there just aren't that many programs like that today
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Who said otherwise.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Just my take - but Q made it very apparent SU was not developing him for the nba. Current players and recruits care so much more about the nba than what is ever shared. It is literally all these kids talk about. When guys like Oshae improve 10x NOT being at Syracuse and then a guy like Q bounces to another program, so THEY can develop him more effectively, I got some questions for SU on this...
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It's a two way street. You have to help in the process also.
 
djcon57 said:
psssst. He left after 2 years for the same reason.
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My point is that Oshae played the 4 and still showcased the skills of a 3. Just like John Wallace did, just like Tyler Lydon did, just like Chris McCullough did, just like Donte Greene did. Hell, I'll go all the way back to Leo Rautins if you'd like. If you have skills that help Syracuse win, they are used and showcased.

And had Oshae continued to develop those skills for one more year at Syracuse, he may well have been drafted and had a much greater degree of financial success heading into this year.
 
djcon57 said:
Who said otherwise.
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Wasn't a response in contrast at all. I don't think the college game is doing much for these kids at all. The portal is probably going to shine a light in the fact that the expectation doesn't meet reality.

OIG said it best in that when the rules and officiating change to allow more players to shine- maybe that moves the needle. Otherwise it's about exposure more than development for the kids with real shots at the next level.

That isn't to say programs, SU included haven't developed kids but when the college game itself isn't built in their best interest as future pros then here we are.
 
Consigliere said:
My point is that Oshae played the 4 and still showcased the skills of a 3. Just like John Wallace did, just like Tyler Lydon did, just like Chris McCullough did, just like Donte Greene did. Hell, I'll go all the way back to Leo Rautins if you'd like. If you have skills that help Syracuse win, they are used and showcased.

And had Oshae continued to develop those skills for one more year at Syracuse, he may well have been drafted and had a much greater degree of financial success heading into this year.
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Ok...or he doesn’t. We can only go on what happened.

I’m not blaming JB here, just stating I don’t believe you can point to Oshae as some success story unless the success story is the g league
 
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Scotch said:
Why are we losing our best players - players that got significant playing time and would in the future - to peer/lesser programs? Is there a third Boeheim that we can add to replace him? Maybe a cousin?
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Q wants to play the 3 and we have Benny Williams to fill that role. It's as simple as that.
 
I get this is a fan board but it is ok to view these things from different angles. I have zero issues with Q looking to relocate and go down a path that he thinks is best for his career. Good luck to him on that. He has been guided by those around him and he is doing what is best for his future. I also have no problem with the coaches saying listen the composition of this team is where we have it and Q we need you down low rebounding and getting us points there. If you are looking to go pro or at another program we get it, good luck but hey so you know if things are up in the air decision wise, we may have to go in another direction also.
Both perspectives are reasonable from their views. I have no problem with either of them. Not sure why others do. It's all about perspectives.
 
djcon57 said:
Ok...or he doesn’t. We can only go on what happened.

I’m not blaming JB here, just stating I don’t believe you can point to Oshae as some success story unless the success story is the g league
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You touch on an interesting point though to carry over from my other response. How many pros can you point to their collegiate years as the reason for their development as an NBA player vs the NBA program and or G League more recently? I think you gotta go back in time to find them as more recently the numbers would hover close to zero.
 
elimunelson said:
Why on earth would a starter leave Syracuse to go to Oregon to play basketball? I just don't understand these transfers from a common sense standpoint?

Is it simply because kids just want to try something new?
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No. It's in his statement. He believes the best way to make it to the next stage is by playing at the 3. Boeheim most likely wanted him to be a utility or 4. This is how many players look at college right now - "what's best for me to make it to the NBA", not, "I'll do what's best for the team".
 
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djcon57 said:
Ok...or he doesn’t. We can only go on what happened.

I’m not blaming JB here, just stating I don’t believe you can point to Oshae as some success story unless the success story is the g league
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Fair enough. My only point is that the skills required to play the 3 in the NBA are not necessarily mutually exclusive to the role of PF at Syracuse.
 
Briancuse said:
It's not jbs job to develop everyone at the position that they desire. It's a team sport.
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THIS.

A perfect recent example was Tyler Roberson.
Robey fancied himself a 3. And tried on occasion to "showcase" that.

Usually with miserable results. Travelled literally EVERY time he tried to dribble drive.
Couldn't hit a J to save his life.

But JB saw that the way he could best help us, was to grind down low for boards, and get putbacks and whatnot. So he told him to do that, and ONLY that.

And when Robey was "plugged in" and doing what was asked, he played VERY well for us, and showed his skills in those regards. Monster rebounder - just ask Duke.

And when he wasn't - he played very, very poorly.
 
Briancuse said:
It's not jbs job to develop everyone at the position that they desire. It's a team sport.
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True, but not that cut and dried. At a program like Syracuse, players have aspirations to play pro ball and the Coach has some responsibility to help that player develop. Not only helps the player, but it helps the program on the court and the recruiting trail. The coach cannot, however help a player develop to the detriment of the team. And with no high quality rebounders and a plethora of perimeter talent next year, allowing Q to be solely a wing player to showcase individual skills would detriment the team.
 
721Comstock said:
THIS.

A perfect recent example was Tyler Roberson.
Robey fancied himself a 3. And tried on occasion to "showcase" that.

Usually with miserable results. Travelled literally EVERY time he tried to dribble drive.
Couldn't hit a J to save his life.

But JB saw that the way he could best help us, was to grind down low for boards, and get putbacks and whatnot. So he told him to do that, and ONLY that.

And when Robey was "plugged in" and doing what was asked, he played VERY well for us, and showed his skills in those regards. Monster rebounder - just ask Duke.

And when he wasn't - he played very, very poorly.
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How’s Roberson doing as a pro? Has he improved offensively?
 
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