Red

[Dave]

Everyone has to adjust the way they think about college sports. Teams no longer have time to GEL over time. They have no time to find continuity together. It will never happen anymore to many moving parts and the rosters are too small, unlike football. So you have to go in prepared for that...

Now what brings continuity faster? Why can other teams GEL fast and some teams don't?

The way I look at college sports now your offensive and defensive systems are your continuity, not your players. You build harmony in your systems. This is where all your players will quickly be on the same page and know where each other is supposed to be. They have a system to follow they have structure. You teach the same system year in and year out. You look for talent that fits your systems etc.

Red is failing here because we don't have that on either end and it shows.

There isn’t enough data to gain insight into why some teams gel faster than others. It might be more of the lightning in a bottle type situation. Recruiting to a system? You have to be recruiting on a very high level to do that with any consistency. Most recruit the best players they can and conform the style of play to their personnel. Players have to be good, and got in. My point was largely addressed to the fans view. What we have grown to love may not be there anymore.

 

[Irishsecra1]

I don’t think JB would be all that upset if Red was fired.
He isn’t even around the program anymore.
He wanted Gerry to succeed him but that didn’t happen.
Based on what you hear about the culture Gerry is building at Siena, and the fact they have already won more games than last year, he was probably right.

I am so disappointedI finally bought season tickets and got this!

 

[DilemaCuse]

Yea it’s crazy. Think about this. Kiyan next year is going to be making more money than our coaching staff and maybe even the whole roster. He will very likely make more from his businesses, brands and social media than he ever will as a basketball player. Right now he’s ranked what 50th in his class but has the 2nd highest NIL in HS too.

Even though I don’t have confidence in Red I feel for a lot of coaches trying to pretend they have any idea what’s going on out there.

You really have to be diabolical like Coach Fran to handle business as a coach at the P5 level. He learned from the best at Georgia football how to work in a system with no rules and deal with these paid kids. Same Georgia NIL program by the way that stole Leffew who’s sitting at 39.2% from 3 and 12 points a game while we got Carlos at 22% and 6 points a game.

Autry wants to be a players coach and when it’s the Wild West out there thats a bad combination. He’s gotta adapt or get gone.

I had a back and forth with Cody from ESPN radio on Kiyan. He kept going on how the fans will come back because Kiyan is coming, it's Melos son, all the local business will be interested in getting access to them.
I countered that while a nice story, and promising recruit, he's not flagg or Dybansta. He never mentioned how it's gonna lead to more wins on the court. It's just a narrative at this point but people don't realize how unlikely it is to have freshman lead them to the promised land.

 

[tptcuse]

The biggest question i have regarding Red is this. His talent evaluation in the portal this year was so poor, how can we trust him to evaluate talent to rebuild next year?

I don't disagree but saying that is the biggest question is ceding the question of who will teach defense. I really cannot get over how bad our defense looks.

 

[Red2003]

I had a back and forth with Cody from ESPN radio on Kiyan. He kept going on how the fans will come back because Kiyan is coming, it's Melos son, all the local business will be interested in getting access to them.
I countered that while a nice story, and promising recruit, he's not flagg or Dybansta. He never mentioned how it's gonna lead to more wins on the court. It's just a narrative at this point but people don't realize how unlikely it is to have freshman lead them to the promised land.

Exactly. Wake me up when Kiyan is a Junior and leading the team. Next year he’s basically just a story and a walking ATM.

 

[OttosShoes]

TBH this whole situation just makes me kind of sick. I grew up watching Red fly across the court. When he got the job and said he was going to bring back that fast-paced game it felt like a fairy tale. How great would it be for this guy to be a great coach too?

2,400 × 3,600

 

[orangefog]

TBH this whole situation just makes me kind of sick. I grew up watching Red fly across the court. When he got the job and said he was going to bring back that fast-paced game it felt like a fairy tale. How great would it be for this guy to be a great coach too?

2,400 × 3,600

Yeah, I really wish this would work out like we all hoped. But, it's hard to be a great coach. Red is not a great coach. There is no evidence that our players learn anything under this coaching staff. That doesn't diminish how great he was for us in the early 90's. I will fight to the grave that his shot from his knees should have counted!!!!!

 

[jordville]

“We’re not having the greatest year right now, obviously, but next year we’ll come in and get to winning some games,” White said during a recent conversation at IMG. “Just to watch the crowd go crazy and more and more people show up, that’s the big thing. And just hitting the floor with my guy, Kiyan, right? Being at camps, we done built a relationship already and then getting to meet some of the new recruits like Aaron (Womack) and Luke (Fennell).

“The coaching staff, I believe in them. I do. I truly believe in Red and those guys. B, all those guys. We just got to come together.”

 

[tptcuse]

“We’re not having the greatest year right now, obviously, but next year we’ll come in and get to winning some games,” White said during a recent conversation at IMG. “Just to watch the crowd go crazy and more and more people show up, that’s the big thing. And just hitting the floor with my guy, Kiyan, right? Being at camps, we done built a relationship already and then getting to meet some of the new recruits like Aaron (Womack) and Luke (Fennell).

“The coaching staff, I believe in them. I do. I truly believe in Red and those guys. B, all those guys. We just got to come together.”

Well I think everyone agrees that it can't be "all those guys" when it comes to the coaching staff. At the very least, someone has to change. Someone needs to teach defense. (Not that the offense is exactly stellar.)

 

[DoubleDee]

With comments like that from incoming players, it's unlikely we see a change. He literally mentions everything we complain about including crowd size. Pretty much covered all the bases. Thanks alot Sadiq.

 

[pwong]

“We’re not having the greatest year right now, obviously, but next year we’ll come in and get to winning some games,” White said during a recent conversation at IMG. “Just to watch the crowd go crazy and more and more people show up, that’s the big thing. And just hitting the floor with my guy, Kiyan, right? Being at camps, we done built a relationship already and then getting to meet some of the new recruits like Aaron (Womack) and Luke (Fennell).

“The coaching staff, I believe in them. I do. I truly believe in Red and those guys. B, all those guys. We just got to come together.”

High school kids always think they can save a program, every cuse recruit has said this for the past 5 years

 

[DilemaCuse]

I love that these kids aren't wavering in their commitment. Sadiq had a great game against La Luminere and might be able to make an impact next year. However, I worry he will be in for a rude awakening if he thinks hes just gonna dunk over older college players as a freshman and just him and Kiyan stepping on the floor together will lead to wins. Will this guy run through a wall for Red? which is not something I would describe with this team, except for Cuffe and Petr. Im concerned Red can't inspire and motivate, I think we can all tell were not out strategizing anyone to begin with so were really behind the 8 ball immediately.

 

[Fly Rodder]

A dunker. Oh that's cool.

Currently, Syracuse is in the 5th percentile (in D1) in the difference of 3 pointers made compared to their opponent. As of the Louisville game, SU has given up 47 more threes made to their opponents or 141 points.

They've also attempted 97 fewer threes than their opponents (7th percentile in D1), good for last in the ACC.

They have attempted 82 more 2pt FG than their opponents and made 34 more than their opponents or 68 points.

It's not advanced analytics to say that 141 points is more than 68 points. 73 points over 17 games is 4.3 points per and would bring their scoring average up to 4th/5th in the ACC. Generally, poor offenses take more twos because that's what opposing defenses give them. That's SU's offensive philosophy.