Referee Justin Porterfield

[Cusefan0307]

He called us for a foul in the first half where we didn’t have a defender near their player. The guy tripped over his own feet.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The issue wasn’t where it went out. Who touched it last was the issue. The side official had no idea who touched the ball. The blind ref on the baseline choked and just threw up his hands.

I don’t think he was paying attention based on the view I had. Pretty sure JJ didn’t touch it either. I sit right where the play happened. The ball never changed direction.

 

[Milo1384]

The issue wasn’t where it went out. Who touched it last was the issue. The side official had no idea who touched the ball. The blind ref on the baseline choked and just threw up his hands.

I agree with you that the side/Center official probably didn't have a great look. But it's still his call... and if there is a question on who it went off on, they go to replay monitor.

I am not saying the correct call was made but you're asking for an official to completely reach outside his PCA & make a call on another officials sideline. This is why they to go to monitor on so many out of bounds plays. They happen quickly and sometimes in spots were it's hard to get a good look & to have absolute knowledge of the play.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I don’t think he was paying attention based on the view I had. Pretty sure JJ didn’t touch it either. I sit right where the play happened. The ball never changed direction.

You’re right. When the official underneath looked to him, he had no idea. He hesitated and slowly pointed towards Hofstra. It was official malpractice. He should have raised his hand and said no idea. Go to possession arrow. Both officials blew it.

 

[Milo1384]

You’re right. When the official underneath looked to him, he had no idea. He hesitated and slowly pointed towards Hofstra. It was official malpractice. He should have raised his hand and said no idea. Go to possession arrow. Both officials blew it.

While I agree with you on this - you just don't see it happen anymore on the D1 level, especially when it can be reviewed.

 

[dasher]

Have you seen Red argue calls? He's pretty passive.

He was anything but passive after the game on Saturday. I will leave it at that

 

[Sherman20]

Nothing to see here…


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Thanks for the screenshot. And then #6 got him with the body and on the arm after the first defender. And no whistle for either infraction.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Thanks for the screenshot. And then #6 got him with the body and on the arm after the first defender. And no whistle for either infraction.

How does an official miss that?

 

[upperdeck]

I agree with you that the side/Center official probably didn't have a great look. But it's still his call... and if there is a question on who it went off on, they go to replay monitor.

I am not saying the correct call was made but you're asking for an official to completely reach outside his PCA & make a call on another officials sideline. This is why they to go to monitor on so many out of bounds plays. They happen quickly and sometimes in spots were it's hard to get a good look & to have absolute knowledge of the play.

I dont agree with this at all. Sure there are calls the refs are zoned for. But the ref who hands the kid the ball has to follow the ball. He makes the illegal touching call, he makes the step on the line call, he makes the 5 sec call.

Also the variation of responsibility changes depending on throw in location and whether the guy can run the baseline.

You think if that play happens and its clearly knocked out that the baseline ref is going to ignore and not make a call and defer to the far side ref? It happened earlier in the game and the baseline made call didnt it?

Nothing in the NCAA handbook mentions that this call is the center court refs call because it went OB on that sideline.

In fact the handbook actually says the lead/trail guys have things to watch that do not involve the ball. That is hard to do and actually see the play. the throw in guy has to watch the ball.

It still comes down to dont make up a call you didnt see, and the other ref clearly did make one up.

And it still could have been the right call, but there is no way that ref could see it.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I bel

It was a missed call but even if it was called, the foul I saw was well before the shot and not a shooting foul. The resulting scenario would have been Syracuse ball under the basket with very little time left.

I beleive we were in the bonus, and I would argue it was the beginning of the shooting motion. That said, KA would make 1 out of 2, and we go to OT.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

I bel

I beleive we were in the bonus, and I would argue it was the beginning of the shooting motion. That said, KA would make 1 out of 2, and we go to OT.

We were not in the bonus. Hofstra had 10 fouls in the firsthand and a total of 15 fouls for the game. So there were only 5 fouls called against Hofstra in the second half. I am not saying the either half were well referee. I’m saying from the replay, there was a foul on Anthony’s last Drive but it occurred well before he bought the ball up for ths shot. There may have been a foul during the shot but a good referee would called the first foul before the shot.

Now, I believe that we are in agreement that the refs missed several calls in the last two minutes or so of the second half that affected the outcome of the game.

 

[upperdeck]

I dont think there is any chance that had they called the foul it wouldnt' have been a shooting foul. he had already stopped dribbling and was gathering to go up.

 

[dollarbill44]

Have you ever been an umpire or referee ? not an easy job. thankless. judge not lest ye be judged .

I have- multiple sports. That's an easy call to make, right there

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

We were not in the bonus. Hofstra had 10 fouls in the firsthand and a total of 15 fouls for the game. So there were only 5 fouls called against Hofstra in the second half. I am not saying the either half were well referee. I’m saying from the replay, there was a foul on Anthony’s last Drive but it occurred well before he bought the ball up for ths shot. There may have been a foul during the shot but a good referee would called the first foul before the shot.

Now, I believe that we are in agreement that the refs missed several calls in the last two minutes or so of the second half that affected the outcome of the game.

My error on the foul count. Thanks

 

[50YRsofCuse]

My error on the foul count. Thanks

Just to let you know I do not claim to be a ref or even a good r judge of fast action plays. On the replay immediately following the play, I believe I saw one of the two Hofstra players in the play hit Kiyan on the hand before he picked up his dribble for the shot. No matter what a foul should have been a called. These refs had consistency problems going from being whistle happy in the first half to limit calls in the second half.

 

[Dcuse]

We were not in the bonus. Hofstra had 10 fouls in the firsthand and a total of 15 fouls for the game. So there were only 5 fouls called against Hofstra in the second half. I am not saying the either half were well referee. I’m saying from the replay, there was a foul on Anthony’s last Drive but it occurred well before he bought the ball up for ths shot. There may have been a foul during the shot but a good referee would called the first foul before the shot.

Now, I believe that we are in agreement that the refs missed several calls in the last two minutes or so of the second half that affected the outcome of the game.

If it occurred “ well before the shot” how could the ball go up in the air above the rim without a defender touching the ball? Don’t know how you could possibly see it that way.

 

[Milo1384]

I dont agree with this at all. Sure there are calls the refs are zoned for. But the ref who hands the kid the ball has to follow the ball. He makes the illegal touching call, he makes the step on the line call, he makes the 5 sec call.

Also the variation of responsibility changes depending on throw in location and whether the guy can run the baseline.

You think if that play happens and its clearly knocked out that the baseline ref is going to ignore and not make a call and defer to the far side ref? It happened earlier in the game and the baseline made call didnt it?

Nothing in the NCAA handbook mentions that this call is the center court refs call because it went OB on that sideline.

In fact the handbook actually says the lead/trail guys have things to watch that do not involve the ball. That is hard to do and actually see the play. the throw in guy has to watch the ball.

It still comes down to dont make up a call you didnt see, and the other ref clearly did make one up.

And it still could have been the right call, but there is no way that ref could see it.

I understand you disagree, and that's okay.. A quick google search of "NCAA Line coverage in 3 man crew" should prove otherwise.

No doubt that Sideline / Center official did not have a great look. But he has to make a call. Even if the 'touch' happens 2 ft in front of the official who hands off the ball. It all comes to down to were the ball went out.

If a ball is tipped in the backcourt, goes into the frontcourt & out of bounds 94 ft away... is the official who hands the ball off going to blow his whistle & make the call? Of course not, it's not his call. Same ruling applies for the Sideline(s).

Again, I not defending the officials (because that entire sequence of plays was a mess) but if you're going to argue some of these points, at least have some basic knowledge of the rules.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

If it occurred “ well before the shot” how could the ball go up in the air above the rim without a defender touching the ball? Don’t know how you could possibly see it that way.

It was a no question shooting foul. Idk what they are talking about. Especially with the new rule

 

[PhatOrange]

I'd like to open this thread and read the official got suspended without pay.