Richie Incognito suspended by team for bullying

[longislandcuse]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Cooper was almost run out of the league. He missed a couple days of preseason and came back and no one has really talked about him since this summer.

Incognito is actually suspended with reports that he will never play for the Dolphins again. It seems unlikely that any team will pick him up this year if they can and you have to wonder what his future prospects are. It seems Incognito is getting it far worse than Cooper did.

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When that was going down there was talk that the Eagles would have to cut him because of the impact he had on the locker room. His saving grace was the fact that Maclin was out for the season.

Incognito is getting worse because he basically harassed a player out of the league in a fashion noone has ever seen before. The racist aspect isnt as evident as it was with Cooper, hell you have plenty of African American players seemingly backing Incognito.

 

[longislandcuse]

I'm really getting sick of the Mike Golic's of the world qualifying every statement they make by saying "im not saying he should have acted this way" when they wonder out loud why Martin didn't retaliate. Yes Mike Golic, you are. When you wonder out loud like that you are questioning Martin's manhood and saying he should have fought back. You can't just say, well im not saying he should have fought back, because you are and you're making the NFL look like a joke.

If you think Incognito is a toughguy then put him in the in Afghanistan and lets see if hes a real toughguy. Just because he punked a more evolved human being in a locker room doesnt make him a toughguy.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I know people bust on Millhouse sometimes for how he talks about all of the meatheads in football, but I think this whole situation supports that idea.

I mean, think about it - supposedly Incognito was a well liked player, on the team leadership council, tasked to "toughen up" Martin.

So, in meathead fashion, his strategy for making Martin tougher is to abuse, humiliate, harass and denigrate him, in such a manner that Incognito himself benefits, because... why exactly? What reaction are those things supposed to produce? Martin gets fed up and takes it to Incognito, and in the process realizes "You know what? I'M A BIG STRONG MAN! GRR!" Because, yeah, that's how this stuff works. That's how you change someone's mentality and behavior.

Time to take out my broad brush and paint - this is what can happen when you let big, dumb animals find solutions to big, dumb animal problems. Meatheads gonna meathead. Where is hazing popular? Locker rooms and frats. Where do you find high concentrations of meatheads, and even find that meatheadedness is encouraged? Locker rooms and frats.

I don't think that it's rocketship science to figure out that this is how the whole thing most likely went down and that Martin being a Stanford man probably said, I am out and either I will hook up with another club or pursue a career outside of football. What civilized person at age 24-25 would want to be treated like that if they had other options. There are plenty of very successful old NFL guys, many of them old Syracuse guys as well. Konrad, Green, etc, sure there are a few meatheads too. Lou Holtz has a bunch of old golden domers killing it in the financial world FWIW. Great people too, listening to Golic I don't think he was one of the smarter guys that went to ND.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Ive known people like this guy Martin before. The not fighting back is not always out of fear and weakness. Sometimes its because they know that if they let loose, they might ing kill someone. They avoid confrontation because they actually think ahead of the ultimate consequences. Meatheads like incognito and his 4 IQ have the luxury of dealing with only instantaneous situations. In the long run the meatheads end up broke and used. But hey...they had a good run early on right?

 

[Millhouse]

has any team with richie incognito ever won anything? every team he is on sucks.

there's this assumption that you need people like incognito, that he just took it too far. i think it's nonsense.

his nfl record with three teams is 37 and 83. why doesn't anyone good want him?

 

[Millhouse]

I'm really getting sick of the Mike Golic's of the world qualifying every statement they make by saying "im not saying he should have acted this way" when they wonder out loud why Martin didn't retaliate. Yes Mike Golic, you are. When you wonder out loud like that you are questioning Martin's manhood and saying he should have fought back. You can't just say, well im not saying he should have fought back, because you are and you're making the NFL look like a joke.

If you think Incognito is a toughguy then put him in the in Afghanistan and lets see if hes a real toughguy. Just because he punked a more evolved human being in a locker room doesnt make him a toughguy.

mike golic is another concussed meathead who just picks a side to argue about with the 98 lb weakling.

 

[Millhouse]

I know people bust on Millhouse sometimes for how he talks about all of the meatheads in football, but I think this whole situation supports that idea.

I mean, think about it - supposedly Incognito was a well liked player, on the team leadership council, tasked to "toughen up" Martin.

So, in meathead fashion, his strategy for making Martin tougher is to abuse, humiliate, harass and denigrate him, in such a manner that Incognito himself benefits, because... why exactly? What reaction are those things supposed to produce? Martin gets fed up and takes it to Incognito, and in the process realizes "You know what? I'M A BIG STRONG MAN! GRR!" Because, yeah, that's how this stuff works. That's how you change someone's mentality and behavior.

Time to take out my broad brush and paint - this is what can happen when you let big, dumb animals find solutions to big, dumb animal problems. Meatheads gonna meathead. Where is hazing popular? Locker rooms and frats. Where do you find high concentrations of meatheads, and even find that meatheadedness is encouraged? Locker rooms and frats.

the people in charge are worse than the meatheads, they aspire to be meatheads. i think shafer is one of those guys, honestly.

 

[orange79]

It's ironic, because I feel like frat and jock culture tend to be somewhat homophobic by nature, but in so many instances, the hazing techniques are just overwhelmingly homoerotic.

Can't understand why you would say that...

 

[GFTakedown]

I hope that Martin sues the SH** out of Incognito, the Dolphins and the NFL. Its funny how they are constantly trying to state they are cleaning up the game yet this is something very common in the NFL. They seem to worry about the physical player but not the mentality of the player. Suicide amongst NFL players is 6 times the national average. (stat came from Junior Seau suicide)

 

[Cheriehoop]

has any team with richie incognito ever won anything? every team he is on sucks.

there's this assumption that you need people like incognito, that he just took it too far. i think it's nonsense.

his nfl record with three teams is 37 and 83. why doesn't anyone good want him?[/quote]

Guess they don't.

 

[longislandcuse]

It's kind of strange how out of their way former and current NFL players are going to legitimize this issue and defend the actions of Incognito/blame Martin.

Brandon Marshall had an awesome statement about the issue if anyone's heard it. I'll have to see if I can find it later and post it.

 

[GFTakedown]

It's kind of strange how out of their way former and current NFL players are going to legitimize this issue and defend the actions of Incognito.

Brandon Marshall had an awesome statement about the issue if anyone's heard it.

He must know something since he was brought in at the same time as Incognito at Miami. Proud that a current player called out the NFL on this treatment. Amazing that Marshall is the player to come out ahead of this.

 

[Guinness]

It's kind of strange how out of their way former and current NFL players are going to legitimize this issue and defend the actions of Incognito/blame Martin.

Brandon Marshall had an awesome statement about the issue if anyone's heard it. I'll have to see if I can find it later and post it.

I heard the clip and it is not surprising that Brandon would speak out on this. He has been very up front about his mental health issues.

His point was 100% correct in that this is not simply a football thing. It is our entire culture. We raise our sons and daughters very differently and it probably hurts a lot more young boys than any one realizes.

 

[Tobias Funke]

It's kind of strange how out of their way former and current NFL players are going to legitimize this issue and defend the actions of Incognito/blame Martin.

Brandon Marshall had an awesome statement about the issue if anyone's heard it. I'll have to see if I can find it later and post it.

here you go. pretty good stuff

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...hall-calls-for-change-20131106,0,772594.story

 

[longislandcuse]

I honestly can't listen to Golic anymore.. Real nice influence on our youth, NFL. We have enough inner city kids dying in the streets without their role models reinforcing that "to be a man" you must stand up and fight in all situations. Unlike the big bad NFL, when you do this in real life you face legal prosecution and retaliation. In the NFL no one is going to find you walking down the street and end your life because you beat up their brother. I guess it makes you tough to bully someone in a situation in which you know there's no repercussions and somehow the guy who walks away from the apparent societal cesspool that is the NFL locker room is viewed as less of a man. It's easy to be tough when you know nothing can happen to you...

 

[retro44]

I'm guessing that the Miami staff knew what was going on from the beginning.And it wouldn't surprise me if the staff put him up to do what he did, plus what should happen if the NFL found out that martin went to the staff first weeks ago.

I really don't think Incognito was a real racist in what some want him to be. A jerk yes,an insensitive one...most definitely.

I would be more stunned if you walk into any locker room if the player's racial mix is very close to one another and they were not dropping the "N" word all day long to each other. I think that is the reason why some players are backing Incognito up as they see this all day long.

 

[Guinness]

I honestly can't listen to Golic anymore.. Real nice influence on our youth, NFL. We have enough inner city kids dying in the streets without their role models reinforcing that "to be a man" you must stand up and fight in all situations. Unlike the big bad NFL, when you do this in real life you face legal prosecution and retaliation. In the NFL no one is going to find you walking down the street and end your life because you beat up their brother. I guess it makes you tough to bully someone in a situation in which you know there's no repercussions and somehow the guy who walks away from the apparent societal cesspool that is the NFL locker room is viewed as less of a man. It's easy to be tough when you know nothing can happen to you...

With all the issues going in the NFL lately it really seems like we are watching it die in slow motion.

 

[Eric15]

I would be more stunned if you walk into any locker room if the player's racial mix is very close to one another and they were not dropping the "N" word all day long to each other. I think that is the reason why some players are backing Incognito up as they see this all day long.

I think the N-word that Incognito dropped in that shirtless bar video is significantly different than the N-word he left on Martin's voice mail.

In the former, he was doing it in more of a camaraderie way, and he was using the word "ni--a" referring to James Pouncey. As stupid as it is, it's becoming more common for young white people to use the word "ni--a" in a jovial way the way young black men do.

In the voice mail, he aggressively called Martin a half-ni--er and then berated and threatened him.

The first is just stupid drunkenness - the second is disgusting and deplorable.

 

[longislandcuse]

With all the issues going in the NFL lately it really seems like we are watching it die in slow motion.

I agree and throw in the Dorsett situation that's in the news today. It's surprising that the NFL doesn't put a gag order out. I can't imagine this is going over well with the casual fan who put the NFL in that number 1 spot.

I played sports my whole life and I can say that I don't agree with anything Golic and his meathead friends are saying. All ESPN does is parade former and current players and coaches to defend it while the only voice of reason goes on Mike and Mike and gets shouted down while Golic jokingly, but not really, says "I gues you've never done a manly thing in your life".

 

[Guinness]

I agree and throw in the Dorsett situation that's in the news today. It's surprising that the NFL doesn't put a gag order out. I can't imagine this is going over well withy he casual fan which is who put the NFL in that number 1 spot.

I played sports my whole life and I can say that I don't agree with anything Golic and his meathead friends are saying. All ESPN does is parade former and current players and coaches to defend it while the only voice of reason goes on Mike and Mike and gets shouted down while Golic jokingly, but not really, says "I gues you've never done a manly thing I your life".

I don't know if Golic realizes it or not but he pretty much proved Le Batard right by resorting to that comment. He will try to pass it off as humor but it is the exact type of behavior that Martin was dealing with and Le Batard was arguing against. He came off as a total ass.

 

[NineOneSeven]

here you go. pretty good stuff

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...hall-calls-for-change-20131106,0,772594.story

“Take a little boy and a little girl. A little boy falls down and the first thing we say as parents is ‘Get up, shake it off. You’ll be OK. Don’t cry.’ A little girl falls down, what do we say? ‘It’s going to be OK.’ We validate their feelings. So right there from that moment, we’re teaching our men to mask their feelings, to not show their emotions. And it’s that times 100 with football players. You can’t show that your hurt, can’t show any pain. So for a guy to come into the locker room and he shows a little vulnerability, that’s a problem."

Wow. That's a powerful, well thought-out statement.

 

[Millhouse]

“Take a little boy and a little girl. A little boy falls down and the first thing we say as parents is ‘Get up, shake it off. You’ll be OK. Don’t cry.’ A little girl falls down, what do we say? ‘It’s going to be OK.’ We validate their feelings. So right there from that moment, we’re teaching our men to mask their feelings, to not show their emotions. And it’s that times 100 with football players. You can’t show that your hurt, can’t show any pain. So for a guy to come into the locker room and he shows a little vulnerability, that’s a problem."

Wow. That's a powerful, well thought-out statement.

but then there's all this lean in nonsense about how we don't raise girls to be tougher

i think this is going a little too far. how about rich football players buy their own meals and stop calling each other n bombs. see how that works before national sensitivity training

eaching little kids not to cry everytime they fall down doesn't create richie incognito. I tell my 2 year old to get up and shake it off all the time because I don't wanna listen to him cry every time he crashes into something every 15 seconds or so

that takes centuries of fat idiots assortatively mating with each other to create a perfect genetic mutant like incognito - it ain't society's fault

 

[longislandcuse]

but then there's all this lean in nonsense about how we don't raise girls to be tougher

i think this is going a little too far. how about rich football players buy their own meals and stop calling each other n bombs. see how that works before national sensitivity training

eaching little kids not to cry everytime they fall down doesn't create richie incognito. I tell my 2 year old to get up and shake it off all the time because I don't wanna listen to him cry every time he crashes into something every 15 seconds or so

that takes centuries of fat idiots assortatively mating with each other to create a perfect genetic mutant like incognito - it ain't society's fault

I think Marshall was using that to make a broader point. Obviously the answer isnt to coddle your child everytime he cries and tell him its ok to cry. He's talking about how society created this and that we need to find ways to counter that. He goes on to give examples of what should happen in NFL locker rooms to negate this type of situation from happening.

I played football and basketball through high school and toughness is a badge of honor that I can only imagine grows exponentially as you move up to the collegiate and pro ranks. Unfortunately in the NFL toughness gets miscontrued to be what Richie Incognito represents.

 

[Millhouse]

I think Marshall was using that to make a broader point. Obviously the answer isnt to coddle your child everytime he cries and tell him its ok to cry. He's talking about how society created this and that we need to find ways to counter that. He goes on to give examples of what should happen in NFL locker rooms to negate this type of situation from happening.

I played football and basketball through high school and toughness is a badge of honor that I can only imagine grows exponentially as you move up to the collegiate and pro ranks. Unfortunately in the NFL toughness gets miscontrued to be what Richie Incognito represents.

i don't think society created this. every time something ahole acts like an ahole, people think it's everyone's fault.

 

[NineOneSeven]

. how about rich football players buy their own meals and stop calling each other n bombs.

Well, that'd be great. But it's not going to happen.

You know how many times I've been called a n-bomb while playing basketball, mostly with teenage/young black adults? Too many to count.