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The thing that really surprised me…zero rollouts or designed motion plays for Rickie early on. I was really expecting to see a new rushing element from the qb yesterday which would have helped negate some of duke’s pass rush.
Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.
 
It was malpractice on HCFBs part
He looked pretty good on one of the early drives in the pocket - 4 or 5 nice throws - until he locked on to his first read and the safety made of the easiest INTs I’ve seen awhile. Maybe that can be coached
 
Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.
Throwing while rolling or moving complicates things, especially when you have accuracy and throwing mechanics issues. RC needs more time and a clean pocket to take advantage of his arm talent and to avoid "panic" decisions/throws.

McCord and Angeli were great at throwing under pressure with accuracy and timing. That's the prototype for success in Nixon's offense - at least for the portion of the playbook we've seen to date.
 
Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.
Yeah I didn’t see anything yesterday that made me feel he was a competent runner waiting to break out. If he’s less mobile than Angeli then that’s really limiting.
 
Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.
 
Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.
I think he may be faster in a straight line, but we know that, by itself, doesn't make a better runner.
 
Throwing while rolling or moving complicates things, especially when you have accuracy and throwing mechanics issues. RC needs more time and a clean pocket to take advantage of his arm talent and to avoid "panic" decisions/throws.

McCord and Angeli were great at throwing under pressure with accuracy and timing. That's the prototype for success in Nixon's offense - at least for the portion of the playbook we've seen to date.
I think throwing while rolling may be easier than throwing while scrambling. I remember the year Kiffin was at Tennessee the QB started rough. Pat Summit suggested Lane have him talk to a sports psychologist she knew. They figured out that he was having to digest too much. They started doing roll outs and other tricks to give him less of the field to read and he did much better the rest of the year.
 
Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.
Give him SMU and if he sucks, make the change. Rickie is not coming back next year, better chance that Carney does, get him in and see what he can do.
 
Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.
Thing is, Angeli's hot garbage was still ten times better than what we've seen from Collins in all three of his appearances.
 
I think throwing while rolling may be easier than throwing while scrambling. I remember the year Kiffin was at Tennessee the QB started rough. Pat Summit suggested Lane have him talk to a sports psychologist she knew. They figured out that he was having to digest too much. They started doing roll outs and other tricks to give him less of the field to read and he did much better the rest of the year.
This is true, it cuts the field and the reads. But, when you have accuracy and throwing mechanics issues, throwing while moving is not always a good thing. Of course, neither is throwing under pressure for many QBs. Point is, you can control how many roll outs you call IF the QB is not good at it.
 
Lots of stuff about patience and starts and whatnot. I get it, one wants to be fair and we're not particularly level headed about this stuff. The Rickie situation is not beyond repair.

That said, it's not the overall performance that concerns me personally. I instruct and coach aspiring racing drivers and I can usually tell pretty quick who 'has it' and who doesn't. It's not particularly important how fast they're driving when they're learning--it's how fast they learn.

I see a lot of parallels. Steve made mistakes, fixed them, and moved on. His skillset had a great trajectory. Rickie's made mistakes, apparently gotten shook-up about it, and then continued to make the same mistakes. Just from tape Duke knew he was going to go with his first read right from the start. That safety Weaver knew it so hard he left his apparent coverage on the first possession and immediately got an easy pick. I don't believe for a second the coaching staff hasn't told Rickie not to telegraph his passes.

While panic isn't warranted here (or ever), I just don't see a magic solution either. This sucks.
Great analysis.
 
Thing is, Angeli's hot garbage was still ten times better than what we've seen from Collins in all three of his appearances.
UConn is much, much worse than Duke, and Angeli could do nothing against their defense for the first 90% of the game. Obviously Clemson was his coming out party where he was exceptional.

I still of course take Angeli over Rickie in a freaking heartbeat obviously.

All I'm saying is, we don't have enough of a sample size to know quite yet whether this is simply who Rickie is, or if yesterday was him at his absolute worst and he will slowly improve. It's very possible he's CDRW 2.0. Dungey, Garrett, McCord, etc. all had single games in their SU careers that were as bad as Rickie was yesterday. I was at the Pitt game last year and saw the 47 pick sixes up close and personal.

The SMU game will paint the picture for us more. We need to simplify the offense and become more of a running team, and give Rickie safe and high percentage throws. Next week is as much of a referendum on Fran's coaching abilities (we know he can recruit) as it is Rickie's playing abilities.
 
I don't know. If he doesn't have it, and we need to go another direction, you'd want the bye week to get that guy ready. Rickie had the spring, preseason, has taken second team reps in practice, and now first team reps. What will a bye week change? If he looks terrible against SMU, get the next guy ready, unless they know for sure that guy is worse.
He had all the spring summer and fall to be prepared to play, and ended up a disaster when he got in a game. If going from March to The end of September, you aren’t prepared to play. What planet are you living on makes anyone think another week is going to make things right? They better be preparing one of the youngsters to play if things don't go well in the 1st half, otherwise the season might go quickly south.
 
He had all the spring summer and fall to be prepared to play, and ended up a disaster when he got in a game. If going from March to The end of September, you aren’t prepared to play. What planet are you living on makes anyone think another week is going to make things right? They better be preparing one of the youngsters to play if things don't go well in the 1st half, otherwise the season might go quickly south.

He was with the team in December. He wasn't taking reps but he should have been learning things.
 
True and if RC was the bonafide qb2, what does that say about Carney? After all, FB plays a true freahman if he shows the potential.
I don’t think it says anything. QB is not the same as other positions. Rickie is in his 3rd year of college ball, Carney is in his first, Rickie should have been ahead at the start of the season.
 
Throwing a true freshman into this situation could destroy his confidence if it goes bad. I don't know what level of competition Carney played at in TX. This might be too much of an ask of him.
Carney started as a freshman in high school, I don’t think the moment will be too much for him as he has played a lot of football. If he can’t handle then so be it.
 
He had all the spring summer and fall to be prepared to play, and ended up a disaster when he got in a game. If going from March to The end of September, you aren’t prepared to play. What planet are you living on makes anyone think another week is going to make things right? They better be preparing one of the youngsters to play if things don't go well in the 1st half, otherwise the season might go quickly south.
You realize you repeated exactly what I said, right?
 
Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.
Not all of us, look back thru my posts, knew he’d he’d emerge to do great things. Why? His film. He showed all the skills,and just as importantly, the intangible nuances people like me who have recruited the sport look for.

Was calling him “McCordesque” and “McCord lite” little did I realize he’d end up being just as good or damn close certainly right up there.

Seeing nothing and I mean nothing of the same from Rickie, god love him the good kid he appears to be. Give him SMU and when the Duke game occurs again, and it will, then bring in whomever is the next kid up for Pitt after the bye.

That may not be the answer and then it’s a horse race once more the rest of the year where we’re experiencing the old adage, “if you have two or three qbs playing, you really have none“
 
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It's definitely an in case of emergency break glass scenario.

But, QB1 going down, QB2 looking rough... I've got to think they're thinking really hard about what they can get out of Carney's 4 games (he has 3 more to go to keep his redshirt).

If they think he can help them win, I think they'd want to get him in quickly. There are 7 games left. It'll be pretty dumb to blow his redshirt on 5 games, where one of them was a game he played one snap in. I think you can make the year worth it if he appears on at least 6.

And the bowl game.
You have to win enough games to get to a bowl, and nothing Rickie has shown will get there. You can't afford another fiasco like Duke, or you will start losing the team . Regardless of DART, it means the coaching staff too, and they have to believe you are putting them in position to win games.
 

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