Rickie Collins

[ManleyRocks]

There is a really good news clip of Carney from the DFW news. Looks like he throws a great ball…leading the receivers….over the proper shoulder….etc. (Although our guys caught the ball yesterday, Collins is going to get them killed with some of his passes yesterday into tight windows and behind the receivers or over the wrong shoulder) If Carney is as smart and as sound as he seems, he should be future. Fingers crossed.

 

[tep624]

Throwing a true freshman into this situation could destroy his confidence if it goes bad. I don't know what level of competition Carney played at in TX. This might be too much of an ask of him.

True, but sometimes you just have to fight with the army you have.

 

[JrodCuse]

The thing that really surprised me…zero rollouts or designed motion plays for Rickie early on. I was really expecting to see a new rushing element from the qb yesterday which would have helped negate some of duke’s pass rush.

 

[AZOrange]

If today wasn’t unplayable I don’t know what is. He literally dropped the ball on the turf during his windup.

The windup is his big flaw and something they’ve really worked on getting rid of. It shows you how nervous he was given it kept coming back

 

[AZOrange]

The thing that really surprised me…zero rollouts or designed motion plays for Rickie early on. I was really expecting to see a new rushing element from the qb yesterday which would have helped negate some of duke’s pass rush.

It was malpractice on HCFBs part

 

[AZOrange]

There is a really good news clip of Carney from the DFW news. Looks like he throws a great ball…leading the receivers….over the proper shoulder….etc. (Although our guys caught the ball yesterday, Collins is going to get them killed with some of his passes yesterday into tight windows and behind the receivers or over the wrong shoulder) If Carney is as smart and as sound as he seems, he should be future. Fingers crossed.

Carneys big issue will be his size. If he was taller he be at Texas or Ohio State

 

[AngryOtto]

Carneys big issue will be his size. If he was taller he be at Texas or Ohio State

Not sure height is as much a factor in college. Plenty of great college qbs that were 6 to 6’2.

 

[JKinUtah]

The thing that really surprised me…zero rollouts or designed motion plays for Rickie early on. I was really expecting to see a new rushing element from the qb yesterday which would have helped negate some of duke’s pass rush.

Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.

 

[MamesJungro]

It was malpractice on HCFBs part

He looked pretty good on one of the early drives in the pocket - 4 or 5 nice throws - until he locked on to his first read and the safety made of the easiest INTs I’ve seen awhile. Maybe that can be coached

 

[007]

Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.

Throwing while rolling or moving complicates things, especially when you have accuracy and throwing mechanics issues. RC needs more time and a clean pocket to take advantage of his arm talent and to avoid "panic" decisions/throws.

McCord and Angeli were great at throwing under pressure with accuracy and timing. That's the prototype for success in Nixon's offense - at least for the portion of the playbook we've seen to date.

 

[tep624]

Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.

Yeah I didn’t see anything yesterday that made me feel he was a competent runner waiting to break out. If he’s less mobile than Angeli then that’s really limiting.

 

[Eric15]

Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.

 

[sufandu]

Ricky is not a runner...it was even said by I believe Fran himself that Angeli was more athletic and more of a running threat that Collins. There is no rushing element to Rick's game despite what so many here seem to be trying to will into reality.

I think he may be faster in a straight line, but we know that, by itself, doesn't make a better runner.

 

[sufandu]

Throwing while rolling or moving complicates things, especially when you have accuracy and throwing mechanics issues. RC needs more time and a clean pocket to take advantage of his arm talent and to avoid "panic" decisions/throws.

McCord and Angeli were great at throwing under pressure with accuracy and timing. That's the prototype for success in Nixon's offense - at least for the portion of the playbook we've seen to date.

I think throwing while rolling may be easier than throwing while scrambling. I remember the year Kiffin was at Tennessee the QB started rough. Pat Summit suggested Lane have him talk to a sports psychologist she knew. They figured out that he was having to digest too much. They started doing roll outs and other tricks to give him less of the field to read and he did much better the rest of the year.

 

[djorange1989]

Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.

Give him SMU and if he sucks, make the change. Rickie is not coming back next year, better chance that Carney does, get him in and see what he can do.

 

[Marroniac]

Rickie isn’t dual threat. I’m not even sure he’s single threat. But those feet aren’t quick at all.

He’s definitely a duel threat.
A threat to both fumble and throw an interception.

 

[powdersmack]

Yesterday was obviously a nightmare, but I’m willing to give Rickie a couple more starts before we definitively close the book on him.

We all thought Angeli was hot garbage also with about 8 min left in the 4th quarter vs UConn.

Thing is, Angeli's hot garbage was still ten times better than what we've seen from Collins in all three of his appearances.

 

[007]

I think throwing while rolling may be easier than throwing while scrambling. I remember the year Kiffin was at Tennessee the QB started rough. Pat Summit suggested Lane have him talk to a sports psychologist she knew. They figured out that he was having to digest too much. They started doing roll outs and other tricks to give him less of the field to read and he did much better the rest of the year.

This is true, it cuts the field and the reads. But, when you have accuracy and throwing mechanics issues, throwing while moving is not always a good thing. Of course, neither is throwing under pressure for many QBs. Point is, you can control how many roll outs you call IF the QB is not good at it.

 

[orange44]

Lots of stuff about patience and starts and whatnot. I get it, one wants to be fair and we're not particularly level headed about this stuff. The Rickie situation is not beyond repair.

That said, it's not the overall performance that concerns me personally. I instruct and coach aspiring racing drivers and I can usually tell pretty quick who 'has it' and who doesn't. It's not particularly important how fast they're driving when they're learning--it's how fast they learn.

I see a lot of parallels. Steve made mistakes, fixed them, and moved on. His skillset had a great trajectory. Rickie's made mistakes, apparently gotten shook-up about it, and then continued to make the same mistakes. Just from tape Duke knew he was going to go with his first read right from the start. That safety Weaver knew it so hard he left his apparent coverage on the first possession and immediately got an easy pick. I don't believe for a second the coaching staff hasn't told Rickie not to telegraph his passes.

While panic isn't warranted here (or ever), I just don't see a magic solution either. This sucks.

Great analysis.

 

[orange44]

Give him SMU and if he sucks, make the change. Rickie is not coming back next year, better chance that Carney does, get him in and see what he can do.

Totally agree

 

[Eric15]

Thing is, Angeli's hot garbage was still ten times better than what we've seen from Collins in all three of his appearances.

UConn is much, much worse than Duke, and Angeli could do nothing against their defense for the first 90% of the game. Obviously Clemson was his coming out party where he was exceptional.

I still of course take Angeli over Rickie in a freaking heartbeat obviously.

All I'm saying is, we don't have enough of a sample size to know quite yet whether this is simply who Rickie is, or if yesterday was him at his absolute worst and he will slowly improve. It's very possible he's CDRW 2.0. Dungey, Garrett, McCord, etc. all had single games in their SU careers that were as bad as Rickie was yesterday. I was at the Pitt game last year and saw the 47 pick sixes up close and personal.

The SMU game will paint the picture for us more. We need to simplify the offense and become more of a running team, and give Rickie safe and high percentage throws. Next week is as much of a referendum on Fran's coaching abilities (we know he can recruit) as it is Rickie's playing abilities.