Rutgers

[TexanMark]

Put me down on the side of playing one of this group each season: Rutgirls, Yukon, Temple for recruiting and travel purposes.

 

[CuseIsGodsTeam]

I believe BC will become our greatest rival. The recipe is there, similar sized private schools from inherently rival based locations (NY vs BO) with a shared history as founders of the Big East. Its the last game on the schedule every year and just imagine if/when the game represents the final hurdle to a division title. Blood will boil.

Its an easy trip for CNY and NYC folks who want to go too.

The Superfans have not forgotten 2004 either. We curb stomped them out of a BCS game.

 

[bnoro]

Put me down on the side of playing one of this group each season: Rutgirls, Yukon, Temple for recruiting and travel purposes.

there's no recruiting purpose for scheduling Temple/UConn. There are no travel purposes in going to Piscataway/East Hartford. No thanks.

 

[CuseIsGodsTeam]

I also think UCONN and RU football needs to wane for us to regain prominence, there isn't room at the Northeast table for these two.

They rose from the manure pile when we went to our GROB induced coma. Its time for them to go back home.

 

[chakka3421]

Put me down on the side of playing one of this group each season: Rutgirls, Yukon, Temple for recruiting and travel purposes.

Its exactly why you would play these teams except maybe UConn as BC now represents that upper NE team. I personally don't consider Rutgers or UConn a rival at all (let alone Temple).

In a perfect world I would schedule every year 1 OCC game in the NJ/MD corridor (BiG or AAC team or Army/Navy), 1 OCC game in the OH/IL corridor (MAC or BiG team) and 1 OCC game in the GA/FL corridor (AAC or CUSA team) - then the final FCS a home game always.

The problem is that we have seemingly no strategy regarding scheduling and the person in charge of scheduling should given better direction for HCSS/Dr G - or fired.

 

[TexanMark]

there's no recruiting purpose for scheduling Temple/UConn.

Tell that to Marvin Harrison and Floyd Little.

Our closest ACC team is 4.5 hours away. Temple/Rutgirls/Yukon are all closer. We need to play one of these guys every season to build at least one close away game every other year. Players parents like to watch their kids play near their home.

We might have luck in getting Temple to do a 3 for 2. Yukon the same if they continue to shrink.

I'm all for getting a military academy team on the schedule yearly if possible.

The ACC is going to get forced into a 9 game schedule within 3 years...we need to grab some G5 games within our recruiting ring.

 

[Alsacs]

there's no recruiting purpose for scheduling Temple/UConn. There are no travel purposes in going to Piscataway/East Hartford. No thanks.

I agree about UConn it doesn't help with recruiting, but Temple is in PA and would help with recruiting in PA occasionally and is a cheap travel game which keeps expenses down.

The only way I would ever play Rutgers/UConn again would be a neutral site game in Yankee Stadium or Metlife Stadium. I disagree with TexanMark who I often agree with their is no recruiting advantage to playing UConn and I am sick of dealing with RU fans who think they are a national power. If we played teams like Rutgers or UConn for our Metlife commitment this would be fine as it would kill two birds with 1 stone a local teams in Metlife and we never have to play them on campus again.

 

[TexanMark]

Connecticut is an underrated state for recruiting. Coach P used to mine it pretty good for the Cuse. I'd be okay with us plucking 1-2 CT kids a year. CT is a natural alumni base for SU too. I'd be cool with a 3 game series with Yukon. The third game in Yankee Stadium with SU listed as the Host but Yukon gets 40% of the tix distribution.

 

[Townie72]

One of the Articles of Faith on the forum is the "Recruiting Value associated with playing team in an area where we want to recruit".

I think that there are at least some on here who have a greatly inflated view of the importance or weight of this in recruiting. And it leads them to suggest games based on a flaky premise.

If that had any real weight, then teams would be falling all over themselves to play in Florida, Texas and California. See any evidence of that?

Rutgers wouldn't have had any trouble scheduling quality competition. See any evidence of that? They had to resort to playing garbage like Norfolk State and Howard and couldn't get even second and third tier BCS Conference schools to come to recruit-rich NJ.

Now in the ACC, we play games regularly (not sporadically) in Florida, VA, Georgia, NC, Virginia, MA

We recruited McNabb and never played in Illinois. I can name countless other examples.

There may be some value. But its very minor, IMHO.

 

[TexanMark]

Cuse Admin picked the ACC over the B1G as a league due in part to student, alumni/fan demographics. In the ACC our road trips will be much longer going forward then when we were an Indy playing the Lambert Bowl teams...IMHO, we need some closer OOC opponents for fan/alumni interest. An added benefit is playing in the backyard of current and future players.

 

[crzdsufan]

she's chancellor of another campus of RU I believe.

I understand this but it still would hurt, I think.

 

[Townie72]

Cuse Admin picked the ACC over the B1G as a league due in part to student, alumni/fan demographics. In the ACC our road trips will be much longer going forward then when we were an Indy playing the Lambert Bowl teams...IMHO, we need some closer OOC opponents for fan/alumni interest. An added benefit is playing in the backyard of current and future players.

I agree with this. But that's what games at "neutral" Pro stadiums accomplish. In these we get a "quality" opponent and a lot of tickets.

No reason to go to play Rutgers in crime-ridden New Brunswick or UConn in the CT farmlands when we can easily play PSU and ND at neutral sites close to alumni.

 

[PhatOrange]

We recruited McNabb and never played in Illinois. I can name countless other examples.

Well yeah but one big reason to recruit regionally is so kids can visit un-officially on their own dime. We’re struggling to get kids on campus (outside of the official vist) because the kids can’t afford the flights and hotel rooms.

 

[Townie72]

There's just no good reason to associate SU with Rutgers.

The whole thing there is based upon a series of frauds.

The B1G didn't want Rutgers. They wanted the NJ cable customers and the revenue they think this will deliver. The ACC, without a network, passed on them as did the B1G until the B1G Network became to driver. The $20M RU expects to get from the B1G won't even cover the $25 M the Athletic Department is ripping the poor students off for.

Rutgers football "success" was based on scheduling, not excellence. And they went from atrocious to mediocre. And that for a while was "big news". The B1G will be big news for a while until the locals get bored with Ohio State pounding the Nighties into the turf a number of years.

They won't even own up to where the University is actually located. It's in the City of New Brunswick. The football stadium and parking lots are on cheaper land across the River in Piscataway Township. But the main Administrative buildings are in New Brunswick. Now I don't blame them for this attempted diversion as New Brunswick is largely a slum. But it's one more example of the continuing fraud that Schiamo and Mulcahy began and continued.

 

[Townie72]

Well yeah but one big reason to recruit regionally is so kids can visit un-officially on their own dime. We’re struggling to get kids on campus (outside of the official vist) because the kids can’t afford the flights and hotel rooms.

We don't have to schedule Rutgers or Temple to recruit well in NJ and SE PA.

 

[Phillymoose]

You guys are funny. No other team (aside fromy gtown or maybe uconn on the bball side) on this board is more discussed about in recruiting, opponents played, and general University stuff. There are too many threads/discussions to count on two hands about how they are not a rival.

If the shoe fits fellas. I mean aren't you guys throwing more heat on the fire by adamantly speaking out against it? (Again and again amd again) It reads like an addict not willing to admit they have a problem.

You guys can hate who you want, think of who you want as a rival, and go about your syracuse fandom. I know I hate rutgirls and would rub any win against them in their face. Not im sure I feel the same vitirol for any other team (right now).

Everyone has their eye on the future, as they should, and my feelings will change as we ride the ladder up while they find a nice cubby in the basement of a different conference. But I mean the last 10 yrs it felt good to "let the hate flow through you".

What ever. I am the younger generation (I think you guys forget the younger ones will out number all older alums in 10 years-sports fans or not, enrollment has skyrocketed recently) and I live in New Brunswick... yeah I know. I shall be judge. But occasionally I go out to watch the games here and loudly cheer for cuse. And i get looks. And I cheer louder. I will move on. I will forget to hate you but for now,

rutgers.

The Rutgers disdain is of a different quality. Our recent games against them were crap football played by both sides. Even when we were decent - like last year, we managed to cough up a furball vs. RU. There is nothing about the past 10 years that is worthy of reminiscence. No battles between top teams - no Marvin Graves in Morgantown, no Major Harris in the dome. No classic battle vs. a Miami in '92. No sacking of Michael Vick by Freeney over and over again. No Diamond Ferry tearing a hole in BC with a BE co-championship (and an ACC send off) on the line.

It was crap football - - with very little to be proud of by both sides. It doesn't inspire hatred - the idea of RU being our rival inspires embarrassment and humiliation. Sure - we do hate them, but I don't want to beat them like I've always wanted to beat Gtown or PSU. I want to get as far away from that stinking chemical waste dump as possible.

 

[Chip]

We don't have to schedule Rutgers or Temple to recruit well in NJ and SE PA.

I really don't mind scheduling Temple. It's in a stadium that's very easy to get to, very easy ticket, very easy for SU fans almost anywhere in the northeast to attend if they choose to. Not to mention a good amount of local alums. It's also an easy trip on the team, and it's an pretty easy win. Yeah, they have their moments when some coach comes in and makes them look ok for a little while, but you know that guy isn't staying there long (Golden, Addazio).

If you know you want a FBS bunny on the schedule, and in order to schedule it you might need to throw them a bone and play at their stadium, then sign me up for Temple. They are a harmless program.

I don't want to play UConn or Rutgers, because I think it benefits them more than us. Especially UConn. Leave them behind.

 

[All4SU]

Put me down on the side of playing one of this group each season: Rutgirls, Yukon, Temple for recruiting and travel purposes.

We play Boston College...that covers New England. Play Temple and Army...that covers NYC/phill so. Jersey. Occasional games at MetLife against nd or PSU. Play navy or occasionally Maryland...that covers mid Atlantic. Play Cincy to give us some reach in Ohio. I don't see a need to play UConn...or Buttgers...or USF...

 

[OrangeFair44]

The Rutgers disdain is of a different quality. Our recent games against them were crap football played by both sides. Even when we were decent - like last year, we managed to cough up a furball vs. RU. There is nothing about the past 10 years that is worthy of reminiscence. No battles between top teams - no Marvin Graves in Morgantown, no Major Harris in the dome. No classic battle vs. a Miami in '92. No sacking of Michael Vick by Freeney over and over again. No Diamond Ferry tearing a hole in BC with a BE co-championship (and an ACC send off) on the line.

It was crap football - - with very little to be proud of by both sides. It doesn't inspire hatred - the idea of RU being our rival inspires embarrassment and humiliation. Sure - we do hate them, but I don't want to beat them like I've always wanted to beat Gtown or PSU. I want to get as far away from that stinking chemical waste dump as possible.

Honestly I agree but as more of a new age fan (less then 15 years), its just my perception. They were crap games and we played to the quality of the opponent. Both teams on the rise comparative to recent history (and for them their whole history). I think it had more potential than people give it credit. I was a fan of cuse long before robinson and then I get there and all four years (04 to 08) I needed something. I had seasontickets as a sident andit was tough. Blow out losses to psu really kill any feelings of a rivalry (had there been one begite 1984) Which begs to question, miami... Really? Dude we are the rutgers to miami.

Time to move on though. Who next. Rivalries develope over time and I look forward to this feelings towards anotger opponent. Beats playing pitt every year.

Edit: I hate using a phone to to type all this but this is my time to resd, write and discuss all things cuse

 

[HtownOrange]

Put me down on the side of playing one of this group each season: Rutgirls, Yukon, Temple for recruiting and travel purposes.

For those two reasons, I can agree, but I would not want any one of them becoming an annual "rival". Also, I would add Army, Navy and Maryland into that mix. This would count as a BCS level game, probably winnable and as you said, travel and recruiting would be addressed.

 

[orangenauburn]

Like it or not they will win 10 games this year and act like world beaters

 

[HtownOrange]

Like it or not they will win 10 games this year and act like world beaters

...and get their butts kicked in their bowl game. Then they will become the immediate door mats of the B1G.

 

[WickedOrange]

Playing Rutgers is a non-starter . I doubt they will be scheduling OOC big boy conference schools going forward.

When was the last time they beat a top 25 team? Legends in their own mind.

 

[SU2NASA]

Please. Make it stop.

 

[HtownOrange]

Playing Rutgers is a non-starter . I doubt they will be scheduling OOC big boy conference schools going forward.

When was the last time they beat a top 25 team? Legends in their own mind.

In 1869 they played the then top team in the country and pulled out a victory. So, they have that going for them (que up the Bill Murray scene in Caddy Shack).