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Scouting Wisconsin - A couple of scary stats

My key for this game is jump on Wisconsin early. Bury them right out the gate so that they don't have the opportunity to drag that game out into a painful possession game/rock fight.

Another key going forward is for KJ to start hitting some threes. We don't need him to go crazy, but a couple of game at a reasonable percentage will open things up for the offense.
getting behind a team like Wisconsin is a Very Bad Thing. an 8 point deficit is like a 20 point deficit, and it will be like dragging a boulder up a mountain trying to come back at that s - l - o - w pace.
 
you start by hitting some 2's and getting your confidence back.
Trish hasn't hit a 3 in the tournament either, and in the last game didn't even take a shot.

in addition, JB hasn't played MCW at all, so our depth radar is really only 7 deep right now. What has put MCW in the dog house? He is a great point defender and his length would be nice.
 
The key is scoring. I think Wisconsin was something like 5-8 when their opponent scores more then 59 points.

What makes me nervous. Our last game we shot lights out. 50% from field, 67% from 3 and 80% from FT. How often does that happen.

I think what helped is that our guards penetrated and could dish to an open guy, not a lot of hands in their faces. If we can do that to Wisconsin I'll like our chances quite a bit, but again...avoid the charge.
 
On offense I would rather we take the drive and dish approach that we took against K State. We are more athletic than they are so we should be able to score or draw fouls. Just gotta watch out for charges. And throw in the occasional dish for three. What I don't want to do is start out shooting threes. That is the easiest way to
get behind fast and it is not our greatest strength.
 
Let them have the foul line jumper. Give them open 2s, not 3s.


wow, i agree with bluecurtain.

worst thing we can do early on is give up a couple open 3s. we'll be trailing 13-5 with 10 minutes left and it will be an uphill grind the rest of the way. basically butler all over again. we gotta be on point from the opening tip, we cant afford to fall behind early against this team.

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getting behind a team like Wisconsin is a Very Bad Thing. an 8 point deficit is like a 20 point deficit, and it will be like dragging a boulder up a mountain trying to come back at that s - l - o - w pace.

True but on the flip side if SU stays patient on O and runs their offense it'll help ease the pain. To me when SU's O starts to panic and force the issue with one guy dribble and shoot is when we really struggle to come back.
 
They're undefeated in NCAA Tournament games in March of this year. We're screwed.
 
wow, i agree with bluecurtain.

worst thing we can do early on is give up a couple open 3s. we'll be trailing 13-5 with 10 minutes left and it will be an uphill grind the rest of the way. basically butler all over again. we gotta be on point from the opening tip, we cant afford to fall behind early against this team.

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Form Big East play on, can someone pull up our scores for all games at the first media timeout?
 
Form Big East play on, can someone pull up our scores for all games at the first media timeout?

I just checked a couple...the one that stood out was our WIN @ Cincy.

Down 6-13 at the 1st TV TO

Couple more:
Marquette - Up 9-5
@ LVille - Down 4-3

..and our 2 losses:
Cincy in BET: Down 10-3 immediately, 12-6 at the TV
ND: Down 13-4



So yeah, don't get down early.
 
Syracuse's gaudy transistion offense numbers were built up against a bunch of teams that were loose with the ball. 31 of our 34 opponents rank 70th or lower in offensive turnover percentage. The ones who valued the ball were Florida, ranked 16th in TO%, who played us within 4 point on our home floor; 11th ranked Cincy who played us twice and beat us once; and #9 Notre Dame. SU's only two losses came vs. teams highly ranked at valuing the ball.

Wisconsin is ranked #2.

This thread kills me. We might as well just call up Bo Ryan and tell him we aren't coming to Boston. The numbers all favor Wisconsin. Why even play?

We do have a Hall of Fame coach on the bench, remember? We have better athletes than Wisky. Wisky doesn't play zone. I say that gives us an advantage. We have strong guards who can drive and get to the line. If they want to play stall ball all game long, we'll be in the bonus by the 10 minute mark of the first half. JB will be agressive and force the tempo.I don't care if they shoot 30 threes. Louisville did that twice against us and still lost. If our zone comes out as active as it was against KSU, Wisconsin will have a tough time finding open looks. Let em shoot 30-footers. I'll play those percentages. We can't give them uncontested looks or give them too many opportunities to post up Rak.

Enough of the sky is falling, doomsday threads. Let's tip off and get it on.
 
Enough of the sky is falling, doomsday threads. Let's tip off and get it on.
jesus christ, it's not "the sky is falling," and it's not "doomsday," its just an honest assessment. are you here for information, analysis and opinion on the game, or do you just want to have a circle jerk about how it's all in the bag?
 
Nope.

But didn't lose to anyone the level of Iowa twice either...kinda evens out.
I'm going to level with you guys. I think you are better than us. When Wisconsin plays bad, they can't beat Iowa. When you guys play bad, you can still beat a vast majority of teams (in actuality, there were a couple of games that UW played poorly and still won against relatively crappy teams -- and oddly, many of the really bad performances happened at home -- btw, Iowa is a team on the rise and will be a team to be reckoned with in the next few years, but I digress).

Anyway, UW has a bit more experience this year playing the upper echelon teams, which is a small thing in our favor.
 
I'm going to level with you guys. I think you are better than us. When Wisconsin plays bad, they can't beat Iowa. When you guys play bad, you can still beat a vast majority of teams (in actuality, there were a couple of games that UW played poorly and still won against relatively crappy teams -- and oddly, many of the really bad performances happened at home -- btw, Iowa is a team on the rise and will be a team to be reckoned with in the next few years, but I digress).

Anyway, UW has a bit more experience this year playing the upper echelon teams, which is a small thing in our favor.

I agree with all of the above.
 
jesus christ, it's not "the sky is falling," and it's not "doomsday," its just an honest assessment. are you here for information, analysis and opinion on the game, or do you just want to have a circle jerk about how it's all in the bag?

reminds me of the scene in Old School when the guy knocks on the door and says "I'm here for the gangbang".
 
I'm going to level with you guys. I think you are better than us. When Wisconsin plays bad, they can't beat Iowa. When you guys play bad, you can still beat a vast majority of teams (in actuality, there were a couple of games that UW played poorly and still won against relatively crappy teams -- and oddly, many of the really bad performances happened at home -- btw, Iowa is a team on the rise and will be a team to be reckoned with in the next few years, but I digress).

Anyway, UW has a bit more experience this year playing the upper echelon teams, which is a small thing in our favor.

This is true, but Wisconsin rarely plays bad. The first Iowa game at Kohl, and at Michigan are really the only games where UW played poorly. In our other losses we merely shoot poorly, which is a distinct possibility.

A question for the Syracuse folks--does Boeheim ever go to a man-to-man? UW REALLY struggles offensively against a well played, athletic man-to-man (then again, who doesn't?). Just stay home on your guy and force us to beat you going one-on-one (a la MSU this year) and our offense struggles mightily to even get a shot off against superior athletes.
 
This is true, but Wisconsin rarely plays bad. The first Iowa game at Kohl, and at Michigan are really the only games where UW played poorly. In our other losses we merely shoot poorly, which is a distinct possibility.

A question for the Syracuse folks--does Boeheim ever go to a man-to-man? UW REALLY struggles offensively against a well played, athletic man-to-man (then again, who doesn't?). Just stay home on your guy and force us to beat you going one-on-one (a la MSU this year) and our offense struggles mightily to even get a shot off against superior athletes.

We have not played m2m once this year.
 
reminds me of the scene in Old School when the guy knocks on the door and says "I'm here for the gangbang".

That's a funny scene. That guy is also the director, Todd Phillips.
 
jesus christ, it's not "the sky is falling," and it's not "doomsday," its just an honest assessment. are you here for information, analysis and opinion on the game, or do you just want to have a circle jerk about how it's all in the bag?

A little touchy today, Moqui? I never said anything was in the bag. I dont think anything is in the bag, but there's nothing wrong with an optimistic voice in a sea of pessimism. These "oh " threads get old after awhile. We are our own worst critics (aside from Digger and Dougie, that is). People can throw out stats all day long, but in the end they don't mean much when the ball tips off. If we let Wisconsin play their game unimpeded, we lose. If we start strong and play like we did in the second half against KSU, it's going to be a long game for the Badger's. I don't think they have the scoring punch to keep up.
 
This is true, but Wisconsin rarely plays bad. The first Iowa game at Kohl, and at Michigan are really the only games where UW played poorly. In our other losses we merely shoot poorly, which is a distinct possibility.

A question for the Syracuse folks--does Boeheim ever go to a man-to-man? UW REALLY struggles offensively against a well played, athletic man-to-man (then again, who doesn't?). Just stay home on your guy and force us to beat you going one-on-one (a la MSU this year) and our offense struggles mightily to even get a shot off against superior athletes.

No but we almost have him convinced to give it a try...
 
Warning: For those posters who only like reading bubble gum and cotton candy posts--with never a hint of the remote possibility that Syracuse could lose a game--please stop reading and move on...

I stole the following from the Wiscy forum...



I noticed in the Vanderbilt game that they simply do not allow transition points. And those stats above are quite impressive. Very disciplined team. The bright side to that is, they sacrifice offensive rebounding in order to stop transition.

Which means if Syracuse wants to score in transition, they'll have to turn the Badgers over. Except...



Ugh.

So scoring will likely be an issue unless SU is able to be productive in the halfcourt. That means SU will have to limit turnovers and hit the very few open shot opportunities they'll have. This will also be a great time to have Fair get out of his slump, as we need that extra penetrator and scorer. I think Fair is one of the better matchups SU will have when they have the ball. The Badgers' power forward (Bruesewicz) is only 6-6 and not overly athletic. If Fair can hit the mid-range jumper, that should allow him the ability to beat him off the dribble, which should in turn free up some guys.

Wisconsin's man D is suffocating. I'm not sure how well Scoop matches up with Taylor's strength and athleticism. Gasser will likely frustrate Triche and Waiters. I think the key to scoring will be how Joseph does against Evans, and how well Fair / Dirty do against Bruesewicz.

I don't know how well Wisconsin does against the full-court press. Might be a good idea to find out. They aren't an extremely deep team, maybe we can wear them down.

It's going to be a low-scoring game, no question about it. The good news is - we seem to thrive on that and have grinded out wins all season. But have we played a team this season as good as Wisconsin?
Which team in the Big East is Wisconsin most similar to?
 
Syracuse's gaudy transistion offense numbers were built up against a bunch of teams that were loose with the ball. 31 of our 35 opponents rank 70th or lower in offensive turnover percentage. The ones who valued the ball were Florida, ranked 16th in TO%, who played us within 4 point on our home floor; 11th ranked Cincy who played us twice and beat us once; and #9 Notre Dame. SU's only two losses came vs. teams highly ranked at valuing the ball.

Wisconsin is ranked #2.

Upon further review . . .
Florida is a very interesting case. The Gators are ranked #3 nationally in offensive efficiency this year with an OE of 121.3. As noted about, they are 16th in turnover percentage and handed the ball over just 10.7 times per game, when you leave the SU game out of the equation.

Against the Syracuse defense, however, they turned the ball over 20 times - twice their season average. They hit their threes - 9 for 26 for a reasonable 35% (on the season they averaged about 25 threes per game and hit them for 38%) and they also shot a sizzling 17/31 on their two pointers. But despite all that, their OE for the game was just 104.4, well off their season average, and they lost the game. So what happened? Several things that bode well for the Orange vs. Wisconsin:

First, the turnovers. Despite usually being very good with the ball, they turned it over at nearly twice their season rate to the Orange. The SU perimeter defenders collectively had 9 steals (and Fab had one more in the middle), which is almost as many turnovers alone as Florida averaged. As has been noted by many a coach, Syracuse is an easy team to prepare for because you know what is coming, but a difficult team to play because you cannot duplicate their length and quickness. Bo Ryan, good as he is, does not have the familiarity that Mike Brey and Mick Cronin have with Syracuse and his charges have never seen anything like what SU can do when it bears down defensively.

Second, they did not work the offensive glass. They got 10 offensive boards vs. SU's 23 defensive boards. Wisconsin often concedes rebounds to the defense in order to get back and defend against the break. That could be a big mistake. If SU turns them over - and it doesn't have to be 20 times to make a difference in a low scoring game - then they will need those elongated possessions.

Finally, Florida got killed at the free throw line. They couldn't draw fouls passing around the SU zone and only went to the line 11 times,making 7. Syracuse meanwhile was 17/21 from the stripe. Triche nearly outscored them all by himself, using his big frame to go inside vs. the smaller Florida guards and get layups and draw fouls. He went 9/9 from the free throw line in his only 20 pt. game of the season. Wisconsin's guards are bigger than Florida's, but not as big as SU's, and I think the Orange will try to keep pressure on them by taking them side over and over again. Either make them work so hard on defense that their offense suffers, or hang fouls on them, or both. The Badgers typically don't give a lot of fouls - they are ranked 40th in the nation in free throw attempts given per field goal attempt . . . but Florida is even better, ranked 39th, and the Orange still made a living at the line.
 
This thread kills me. We might as well just call up Bo Ryan and tell him we aren't coming to Boston. The numbers all favor Wisconsin. Why even play?

We do have a Hall of Fame coach on the bench, remember? We have better athletes than Wisky. Wisky doesn't play zone. I say that gives us an advantage. We have strong guards who can drive and get to the line. If they want to play stall ball all game long, we'll be in the bonus by the 10 minute mark of the first half. JB will be agressive and force the tempo.I don't care if they shoot 30 threes. Louisville did that twice against us and still lost. If our zone comes out as active as it was against KSU, Wisconsin will have a tough time finding open looks. Let em shoot 30-footers. I'll play those percentages. We can't give them uncontested looks or give them too many opportunities to post up Rak.

Enough of the sky is falling, doomsday threads. Let's tip off and get it on.

seriously Pete, I don't think anyone is saying that the sky is falling. Everyone here knows that we can beat Wisconsin. I think this thread has largely shown a level-headed analysis of what we're up against. I think we'll win but I also think it's important to understand the opponent. I can guarantee you that the coaching staff is making every effort to do the same.
 
Which is interesting on the FT thing, because as a general rule, we don't shoot a lot of FT. (261st in the country in FTA per FGA).
 

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