Class of 2024 SF Tyler Betsey (CT) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (5/2/25)

[albanycuse]

Petar played in the u21 league NOT the main French league. I specifically pointed it out last offseason and was, of course, mocked. Now he’s at Long Beach state. Anyway….

Luke played in the NBL, the main league in Australia.

He played 3 mins total this year

South East Melbourne Phoenix | Official NBL Website

Still pro basketball.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Not sure why we care what freshmen are making when it’s upperclassmen driving the bus these days. It’s not 2003-2015. Rutgers paid 2 of the top 3 picks in the draft and still sucked.

I don't understand how you took 'what freshmen are making' from that post. It was about impact players. Yes, i cited Carmelo. I cited Cooper Flagg. Both were freshmen. So, it's kinda weird to assert freshmen aren't "driving the bus."

The post was about the concept and definition of "overpaying." A player's class has nothing to do with that.

 

[Orangezoo]

All you have to do is watch the games. We got blown out (10+ point margin) in literally 2/3 of our games last year.

Previous years reinforce the idea that going undersized and not enough big man depth is a losing strategy. Seven of eight teams in the Regional Finals had at least a couple big men who were good, not just live bodies.

There is nothing to say what we have now is undersized at all. 6-9 6-9,6-10, 6-9, 6-8 is not an undersized front court considering only Sadiq and Donnie would be on the thin side.

6-11 vs 6-9 is not a difference maker if both have the same wingspan and reach and if 6-9 is the better athlete.

The portal had very few options to meet the criteria you are alluding to. All but a few were in the mold of the guys we got or less mobile options that had moderate production. The cost of those few options likely then diluted our options elsewhere.

You build, win then build more as the program provides a better ROI such that you can find and afford elite talent at every position/role to be a contender.

 

[MamesJungro]

Kline's algorithm is absolutely popping

You’re not kidding. The profile and the ceilings of the players we’re bringing in is so much higher than last year

 

[RedtheGOB]

Lampkin wasn’t a center. He was a pf based on height. I have more confidence in Kyle from a defensive standpoint than I ever did in Lampkin.

If Donnie has to play 5-10 mpg at the 5 that’s not the end of the world. Other teams have got along fine with players like him. There’s too much obsession with pigeonholed positions. Let’s just get the best 5 on the court based on matchups.

Same here. Autry said Donnie grew. So if that’s pushing 6’10-‘6-11 then what’s the problem. Ok he can’t defend some big big dudes but no way they can defend him either.

 

[kcsu]

There is nothing to say what we have now is undersized at all. 6-9 6-9,6-10, 6-9, 6-8 is not an undersized front court considering only Sadiq and Donnie would be on the thin side.

6-11 vs 6-9 is not a difference maker if both have the same wingspan and reach and if 6-9 is the better athlete.

The portal had very few options to meet the criteria you are alluding to. All but a few were in the mold of the guys we got or less mobile options that had moderate production. The cost of those few options likely then diluted our options elsewhere.

You build, win then build more as the program provides a better ROI such that you can find and afford elite talent at every position/role to be a contender.

You dont block a shot with the top of your head.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Lampkin wasn’t a center. He was a pf based on height. I have more confidence in Kyle from a defensive standpoint than I ever did in Lampkin.

If Donnie has to play 5-10 mpg at the 5 that’s not the end of the world. Other teams have got along fine with players like him. There’s too much obsession with pigeonholed positions. Let’s just get the best 5 on the court based on matchups.

Well then, Charles Barkley was a SF/2G and Durant and Garnett were centers. Was Birs or McHale the small forward?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Well then, Charles Barkley was a SF/2G and Durant and Garnett were centers. Was Birs or McHale the small forward?

I explained myself poorly. He was a center based on height. He really was a PF based on how he played.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

This is the exact reason not to overpay. Every year you would be chasing that unicorn and it just doesn’t exist. Another Melo may never exist. Hence the slippery slope, coaches and GMs start saying oh this could be the guy or this group of 2-3 guys is what we need but it’s way more than we expected to pay.

Overpaying simply is paying a player more than the market dictates. With the add on modifier that we need to take into account our programs need for that position.

Some folks talk like it’s their money being spent.

 

[RedtheGOB]

You dont block a shot with the top of your head.

But apparently where the top of your head is means that you should be paid a butt load more in the portal. It’s crazy.

Let’s take our old ACC friend 6’11 Federicko Federicko. Remember him at Pitt. Now in the portal news 2 days ago, heading to his next stop his senior year. The Texas fanbases are saying he got a MILLION dollars left Tech to go down the road to A&M was asking for much more. Granted he’s got experience, and close to 5 pts and 5 rebs a game but still wasn’t starting.

Now let’s just say we think we need bigger and better at the 5. What’s that cost 1.2-1.3, maybe 1.5. Now we’re getting into the Donnie range.

I don’t want to be in a world where we are paying a Federiko type player 7 figures and that’s our 2nd or 3rd most expensive player just cuz as OP said he has a tall head.

 

[Hopkins16]

But apparently where the top of your head is means that you should be paid a butt load more in the portal. It’s crazy.

Let’s take our old ACC friend 6’11 Federicko Federicko. Remember him at Pitt. Now in the portal news 2 days ago, heading to his next stop his senior year. The Texas fanbases are saying he got a MILLION dollars left Tech to go down the road to A&M was asking for much more. Granted he’s got experience, and close to 5 pts and 5 rebs a game but still wasn’t starting.

Now let’s just say we think we need bigger and better at the 5. What’s that cost 1.2-1.3, maybe 1.5. Now we’re getting into the Donnie range.

I don’t want to be in a world where we are paying a Federiko type player 7 figures and that’s our 2nd or 3rd most expensive player just cuz as OP said he has a tall head.

No way you overpay a bum player because he is tall and fits the theory of what a position player should look like.

 

[rrlbees]

Some folks talk like it’s their money being spent.

It is and I think I should have a say on who it’s spent on.

 

[Niastri]

There is nothing to say what we have now is undersized at all. 6-9 6-9,6-10, 6-9, 6-8 is not an undersized front court considering only Sadiq and Donnie would be on the thin side.

6-11 vs 6-9 is not a difference maker if both have the same wingspan and reach and if 6-9 is the better athlete.

The portal had very few options to meet the criteria you are alluding to. All but a few were in the mold of the guys we got or less mobile options that had moderate production. The cost of those few options likely then diluted our options elsewhere.

You build, win then build more as the program provides a better ROI such that you can find and afford elite talent at every position/role to be a contender.

It looks like you are counting Betsey in your big man run down… He looks like he plays more as a shooting guard/small forward than a big man. Size is valuable, but he doesn’t exactly throw his weight around.

 

[Orangezoo]

It looks like you are counting Betsey in your big man run down… He looks like he plays more as a shooting guard/small forward than a big man. Size is valuable, but he doesn’t exactly throw his weight around.

I was just listing out the front court overall. Kingz is a tweener but should add 6-5 to that list to be fair.

 

[Hopkins16]

It looks like you are counting Betsey in your big man run down… He looks like he plays more as a shooting guard/small forward than a big man. Size is valuable, but he doesn’t exactly throw his weight around.

Our last need at this point is a legitimate big man who is physical.

 

[McCuse]

So did petar…

Hoping Fennel is a different story than Petar. Better athlete.

 

[McCuse]

We’re at 12 guys right now. I think it’s a good bet that lucky #13 will be a big dude but I doubt we’ll have any idea who the guy is. Guessing an overseas big that hasn’t played much. I also doubt he’ll be able to dribble or shoot.

A big body to absorb some fouls when needed. That would be good.

 

[Orangezoo]

Our last need at this point is a legitimate big man who is physical.

To do what and for how long? The Arizona kid with almost no experience does how much more than Souare who has starting experience at this level?

What does 7-0 240 with the same wingspan as 6-9 230 give you? In a dream world we add one of the top 5 centers with a bigger war chest. After that it’s a bunch of guys similar size to who we have or a couple inches taller, less athletic and not much bigger.

What’s left now that doesn’t break the bank are some lower producing bodies you could throw out there. I’m not sure how that helps us more than using Donnie as the emergency option.

I just don’t think another true center is going to make any difference and if you want someone who’s going to bump Souare it’s not going to be cheap. Coaching is going to factor far more than adding another body at the 5 to me so I just don’t see much value outside a total project at low cost.

 

[Orangezoo]

A big body to absorb some fouls when needed. That would be good.

I think we have a habit of justifying guys for this purpose but when they can’t do much on either side of the ball because that’s all they are it and doesn’t really do anything to help our cause.

 

[Orangezoo]

The focus now with Betsey added is hopefully now putting together an off season plan and also hopefully a summer trip somewhere.

 

[Hopkins16]

To do what and for how long? The Arizona kid with almost no experience does how much more than Souare who has starting experience at this level?

What does 7-0 240 with the same wingspan as 6-9 230 give you? In a dream world we add one of the top 5 centers with a bigger war chest. After that it’s a bunch of guys similar size to who we have or a couple inches taller, less athletic and not much bigger.

What’s left now that doesn’t break the bank are some lower producing bodies you could throw out there. I’m not sure how that helps us more than using Donnie as the emergency option.

I just don’t think another true center is going to make any difference and if you want someone who’s going to bump Souare it’s not going to be cheap. Coaching is going to factor far more than adding another body at the 5 to me so I just don’t see much value outside a total project at low cost.

We need a physical big but I am not saying that we overpay for the player. Last season, Souare (17 minutes per game) and Kyle (just under 10 minutes) both have wingspans of 7’2 or more, but both have not played major minutes. I don’t want us to end up with ineffective centers or guys who can’t stay on the floor, and Donnie ending up with time at the center position. Kyle was injured and did not play much last year, and with our history of picking up previously injured players and getting little or nothing out of them, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to pick up another big if we can do so on the cheap.

 

[orangejunkie]

I looked at the centers available in the portal and saw a couple that looked like back up material. Red is pretty stealth in his recruitment. Hopefully he can reel in a reliable center that fits with their remaining NIL $$.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Hope Tyler Betsey (.538), JJ(.685), Wm Kyle (.395) and Ibrahim Souare (.313) all practice hard and get their free throw % over 70%.

 

[IthacaMatt]

There is nothing to say what we have now is undersized at all. 6-9 6-9,6-10, 6-9, 6-8 is not an undersized front court considering only Sadiq and Donnie would be on the thin side.

6-11 vs 6-9 is not a difference maker if both have the same wingspan and reach and if 6-9 is the better athlete.

The portal had very few options to meet the criteria you are alluding to. All but a few were in the mold of the guys we got or less mobile options that had moderate production. The cost of those few options likely then diluted our options elsewhere.

You build, win then build more as the program provides a better ROI such that you can find and afford elite talent at every position/role to be a contender.

I don't disagree much with what you're saying, but we need a bit of bulk. We only have 1 guy who weighs 230. Other teams have low post scorers. We need to be able to defend that. That's all. We're still light in that regard.

Doesn't have to be a unicorn. This is what that lower-league guy with the right body has value, even if just for 5 fouls to give when you're getting bullied inside.

 

[Orangezoo]

I don't disagree much with what you're saying, but we need a bit of bulk. We only have 1 guy who weighs 230. Other teams have low post scorers. We need to be able to defend that. That's all. We're still light in that regard.

Doesn't have to be a unicorn. This is what that lower-league guy with the right body has value, even if just for 5 fouls to give when you're getting bullied inside.

I’ll be curious to see if any of our guys put on weight this off season with Cabiles out now.