Class of 2016 SG/SF Andrew White (VA; Grad Transfer from Nebraska)

[Yegorange]

I'm hoping for an announcement on Monday. I don't see the fit at State; too many similar players. If he wants to take another visit after that (i.e., Louisville), then I feel like we won't get him.

PS in yesterday's story says he already visited L'ville.

 

[SUskibum]

I hope JB showed him tape of a 6-6 competent shooter at the top of the zone during 2003. He would play more than Duany and probably have a bigger impact as well.

 

[DoctorBombay]

That's how I interpreted it as well.

People just need to chill and let this all play out. This isn't the TT saga. We won't have to wait THAT long.

 

[NYCorange]

I'm sorry but this is not a kid who has made up his mind to play at syracuse. We may still be in it, seems like a bright kid legitimately looking for the best fit, and that may be cuse. But he is still looking.
Andrew White III opens up on Michigan State interest, 'ugly' Nebraska departure

Here's my take on it all after reading this enlightening article. White is still exploring his options, but on the face of it, we're a better fit from a playing time standpoint, and I'd have to think about equal in terms of national exposure. Sparty has 2 top freshman wings coming (one is ranked 8th and the other is 19th, so both higher than Battle). But White still has to figure out where he feels more comfortable. One under-the-radar factor could be transferring to MSU just to stick it to Nebraska (they are in-conference) as it sounds like he feels like they didn't respect him there during the transfer process.

 

[Yegorange]

I hope JB showed him tape of a 6-6 competent shooter at the top of the zone during 2003. He would play more than Duany and probably have a bigger impact as well.

Well, RF and others think he won't get a second "at the top of the zone", i.e. SG. If that is true, he's not coming here. Playing strictly SF will do nothing to prove to NBA he can play the 2. But I would think JB did promise him at least a shot at some SG minutes. We shall see.

 

[NYCorange]

Well, RF and others think he won't get a second "at the top of the zone", i.e. SG. If that is true, he's not coming here. Playing strictly SF will do nothing to prove to NBA he can play the 2. But I would think JB did promise him at least a shot at some SG minutes. We shall see.

Why do people think that he needs to play the 2 in the NBA? He's got plenty of size for the 3 spot.

 

[Briancuse]

PS in yesterday's story says he already visited L'ville.

He visited Lville when he was in high school.

 

[Yegorange]

Why do people think that he needs to play the 2 in the NBA? He's got plenty of size for the 3 spot.

Probably because he sees himself as one. In his workout video he's listed as SG.

 

[Yegorange]

He visited Lville when he was in high school.

I doubt Carlson is referring to that.

 

[Briancuse]

I doubt Carlson is referring to that.

I don't think he has visited Lville this summer, there would have been a story about it.

 

[Yegorange]

I don't think he has visited Lville this summer, there would have been a story about it.

Right. It was confusing when I read it, I didn't recall reports of a recent visit.

 

[Briancuse]

Right. It was confusing when I read it, I didn't recall reports of a recent visit.

There hasn't been anything on any of the Lville forums, and they are very much like us, nothing gets past them.

 

[reedny]

Well, RF and others think he won't get a second "at the top of the zone", i.e. SG. If that is true, he's not coming here. Playing strictly SF will do nothing to prove to NBA he can play the 2. But I would think JB did promise him at least a shot at some SG minutes. We shall see.

This is pigeonholing. NBA teams, and college teams including ours, move players around depending their skill sets and matchups. AW's obviously sophisticated enough to understand his place in SU's system, based on his conversations with coaches. We can conjecture here, but that's all it is. At the end of the day, it's his decision based on how he feels he fits in.

As far as where I happen to see him (and others), I doubt he's going to insist on playing a role at SU (or at the next level) for which he's not physically suited. Based on his body type, skill set and stats as a player ... I doubt he'll be asked to play the 2 on D .. i.e, defend smaller, quicker ACC guards at the top of the zone. Instead, he'll likely play SF on defense ... using his size and rebounding abilities along the back line (a 3). On offense, he may very well rotate to the upper wing area sometimes ... since he's a catch and shoot guy. That doesn't mean he's a shooting guard -- a player in our system that sets up primarily at the top of the zone and is usually a slashing playmaker. AW will have a SF role .. catching and shooting closer to the baseline, sometimes driving to take a mid-range shot ala CJ Fair. That's the role I think JB's recruiting him to fill, not to pretend he's the next Trevor Cooney or Dion Waiters.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Thompson is more important for the future, but White is more important for this year. I wouldn't call us loaded without White. We are middle of the pack ACC (5-8) without him. We just don't have enough shooting without White and that is a fatal flaw in this era of basketball.

Yeah, I agree with this. We'll be good but these days you need more shooting and scoring. White really makes us loaded but without we are somewhat limited. A Tourney team but lacking some punch. I think SU teams become pretty easy to defend with the style we play without multiple outside shooting threats.

 

[Jasoncuse]

Guys we are loaded without this kid. Landing TT and JG was critical. Yes White would be a great addition if the chemistry is solid which it probably is if JB offered.

We are definitely not loaded without him. With him, we'd be in great shape. Without him, we have a couple of proven scorers, some bigs with no/little offensive skills, a stud frosh and little outside shooting. Good pieces but not loaded, especially at guard and interior scoring.

 

[Flacusian]

I would be surprised if this team, even without White, ends up 5-8 in conference... In fact there is no freaking way they end up with a conference record that even is close to that dismal prediction. I'd bet it's closer to 10-3. Besides.. He's coming.

 

[Briancuse]

I think if White comes we are 2nd behind Duke, without him I would put us 4th or 5th.

 

[iommi]

I would be surprised if this team, even without White, ends up 5-8 in conference... In fact there is no freaking way they end up with a conference record that even is close to that dismal prediction. I'd bet it's closer to 10-3. Besides.. He's coming.

Again, the poster was not predicting a record of 5-8, just that we'd finish between 5th and 8th place. Besides, we play more than 13 games in the ACC--18 total.

 

[Flacusian]

Again, the poster was not predicting a record of 5-8, just that we'd finish between 5th and 8th place. Besides, we play more than 13 games in the ACC--18 total.

Duly noted...thx

 

[DoctorBombay]

Again, the poster was not predicting a record of 5-8, just that we'd finish between 5th and 8th place. Besides, we play more than 13 games in the ACC--18 total.

Whaat?? No way we go 5-8...whatta u, drunk???

 

[RF2044]

Well, RF and others think he won't get a second "at the top of the zone", i.e. SG. If that is true, he's not coming here. Playing strictly SF will do nothing to prove to NBA he can play the 2. But I would think JB did promise him at least a shot at some SG minutes. We shall see.

I never said that--I think he'd sub in as the emergency fourth guard in what will primarily be a three guard rotation, helping to shore up a major roster deficiency with backcourt depth. COULD he play there for short stints? Sure, if we had foul trouble, etc. and because he's a better option there than Moyer.

That's different than him starting there, or for that matter saying he won't get a second at guard.

 

[Yegorange]

I never said that--I think he'd sub in as the emergency fourth guard in what will primarily be a three guard rotation, helping to shore up a major roster deficiency with backcourt depth. COULD he play there for short stints? Sure, if we had foul trouble, etc. and because he's a better option there than Moyer.

That's different than him starting there, or for that matter saying he won't get a second at guard.

Sorry if I misunderstood your stance. But you did say he was a SF and not SG and that it wasn't even close, or something like that.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Here's the thing about this whole "will he play at the 2/SG, or the 3/SF'-thingy with White.
JB always tries to give his best players the bulk of the minutes, which is why when Silent G transferred in he was moved to the PG (Indeed, it can be said JB was already thinking a year ahead in G's first season, and it paid off in year 2), and Malachi, although recruited as a 2G, was shifted to SF.
This ain't the man's first rodeo. I see White playing both positions, as needed. Much as I also see Lydon at the 4, 5, and heck, even 3 position at times...as needed.
I think folks are getting too caught up in labels, which experience has shown, can backfire when it comes to JB and his lineups.
Boeheim gonna Boeheim- all faith in the HOF'er! JMHO

 

[IthacaMatt]

Based on his body type, skill set and stats as a player ... I doubt he'll be asked to play the 2 on D .. i.e, defend smaller, quicker ACC guards at the top of the zone. Instead, he'll likely play SF on defense ... using his size and rebounding abilities along the back line (a 3). ... AW will have a SF role .. catching and shooting closer to the baseline, sometimes driving to take a mid-range shot ala CJ Fair. That's the role I think JB's recruiting him to fill, not to pretend he's the next Trevor Cooney or Dion Waiters.

I think you're off base here. Did you watch that Nebraska game against Miami? He shoots way more from the wing than from the corner/baseline. Yes, he could play SF, and he might get some minutes there against the right matchup, but he projects as a 2G, and haven't you noticed that we like really big guys up front? It cuts off the passing lanes. Mali would have started at the 2 this year, not SF again.

Anyone who says that White doesn't see a minute of time at the 2G on top of the zone is not really evaluating our roster properly.

Lydon is going to play 35 minutes a game and it's very unlikely he will play center now that we have 3 of them, at least not on a regular basis.

Roberson rebounds like a monster, but if White gets any minutes at , it may be in relief of Roberson if he's having a bad day or in foul trouble. But that means that White would be a better option at than both Matt Moyer and Taurean Thompson. I could see him take some minutes from them, especially if another team zones us. But those guys are both good players and are going to see some time.

But don't forget, we only have 3 guards, and none of them are really dangerous 3 point shooters. That's why he's going to get time at guard if he comes here.

 

[Madbiker]

Could see White as a great 6th man.
6 minutes for Lydon at SF
10 minutes for Roberson at .
10-12 minutes spelling Battle at SG.

26-28 MPG.