slight specific letdown about Babers era

[Millhouse]

When it was 28-7 he was 8-14 100 yards 1 TD 1 INT 1 Fumble.

ok 28-7 is the only score that matters, not when he's down less than that or more than that

gotta remember who i'm dealing with here

 

[HRE Otto IV]

ok 28-7 is the only score that matters, not when he's down less than that or more than that

gotta remember who i'm dealing with here

Can you admit that he got off to a bad start? He played well after that. The question is why? Did he settle in and we can expect to see that type of play going forward? Or did falling behind by 21 change both the way he and MD played the rest of the game? We won’t know that answer really until the WMU game.

Even extending his stats out to 42-13 he was 11-17 164 yards 2 TDs 1 INT 1 Fumble. That is good if you ignore the turnovers.

 

[Millhouse]

Can you admit that he got off to a bad start? He played well after that. The question is why? Did he settle in and we can expect to see that type of play going forward? Or did falling behind by 21 change both the way he and MD played the rest of the game? We won’t know that answer really until the WMU game.

Even extending his stats out to 42-13 he was 11-17 164 yards 2 TDs 1 INT 1 Fumble. That is good if you ignore the turnovers.

you wondered if his numbers looked good because the game was out of hand so I gave you the numbers where they were down but where it wasn't out of hand

 

[HRE Otto IV]

you wondered if his numbers looked good because the game was out of hand so I gave you the numbers where they were down but where it wasn't out of hand

His stats pre 28-7 were not good. His stats pre 42-13 were acceptable. His stats after 49-13 were good. The stats are what they are.

 

[PhatOrange]

DeVito is far from immobile, people act like he's slug. He'd look like Usain Bolt compared to Nassib. I'd like to know what he's being told when it comes to scrambling. Me thinks the coaches don't want him running because honestly, if he gets hurt we won't win another game.

 

[Millhouse]

DeVito is far from immobile, ople act like he's slug. He'd look like Usain Bolt compared to Nassib. I'd like to know what he's being told when it comes to scrambling. Me thinks the coaches don't want him running because honestly, if he gets hurt we won't win another game.

i don't know why in the hell everyone was so excited about hiring babers if they wanted qbs to run around.

 

[kcsu]

Career Overview: One of the most dynamic dual-threat quarterbacks in the history of the ACC … Played in 39 games with 38 starts from 2015-2018 ... Posted a 20-18 record as a starter … As a passer, was 786-of-1,279 (.615) for 9,340 yards with 58 touchdowns and 30 interceptions ... As a runner, racked up 1,993 yards and 35 touchdowns on 543 carries (3.7 avg.) ... Finished his career as one of five ACC quarterbacks all-time with 11,000+ yards of total offense and 90+ touchdowns responsible for, joining Philip Rivers (NC State), Lamar Jackson (Louisville), Tajh Boyd (Clemson) and Deshaun Watson (Clemson) ... Ranked in the top five in ACC history in career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (t-3rd), most 400+ yard total offense games (t-4th - 7), total offense yards per game (5th - 290.6), total offense yards (5th - 11,333) and plays (1,822) at the end of the 2018 season ... Career Overview: One of the most dynamic dual-threat quarterbacks in the history of the ACC … Played in 39 games with 38 starts from 2015-2018 ... Posted a 20-18 record as a starter … As a passer, was 786-of-1,279 (.615) for 9,340 yards with 58 touchdowns and 30 interceptions ... As a runner, racked up 1,993 yards and 35 touchdowns on 543 carries (3.7 avg.) ... Finished his career as one of five ACC quarterbacks all-time with 11,000+ yards of total offense and 90+ touchdowns responsible for, joining Philip Rivers (NC State), Lamar Jackson (Louisville), Tajh Boyd (Clemson) and Deshaun Watson (Clemson) ... Ranked in the top five in ACC history in career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback (t-3rd), most 400+ yard total offense games (t-4th - 7), total offense yards per game (5th - 290.6), total offense yards (5th - 11,333) and plays (1,822) at the end of the 2018 season ... Set or tied 25 school records during his time with the Orange, including the career records for passing yards, passing yards per game (239.5), 300-yard passing games (12), 400-yard passing games (3), total offense, total offense per game, most plays and most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback ... Additionally, Dungey left campus ranked in the top five all-time at Syracuse in passing attempts (2nd - 1,279), completions (2nd - 786), completion percentage (3rd - .615), touchdown passes (3rd - 58) and pass efficiency rating (4th - 133.07) ... Accounted for three or more touchdowns in 18 of his 38 first-string appearances and produced 93 career total touchdowns ... In addition to his 12 games with 300+ passing yards, Dungey registered three career 400-yard passing performances, the most in school history ... Logged six 100-yard rushing games, second to Bill Hurley (8) all-time among Syracuse signal-callers ... Led the Orange in rushing touchdowns in all four of his seasons ... Finished his time at Syracuse 23rd on the program's career rushing list and was one of three active 1,000-yard rushers for the Orange in 2018 ... Received ACC Player of the Week honors a school-record eight times ... Two-year captain ... Two-time CoSIDA Academic All-District selection ... Named to the 2016 All-ACC Academic Football Team … Past member of the Syracuse Student-Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC) ... Four-time SU Athletic Director’s Honor Roll selection ... Three-time member of the ACC Honor Roll ... Represented the Orange twice at ACC Football Kickoff, the league's annual preseason media event ... Four letters. to Bill Hurley (8) all-time among Syracuse signal-callers ... Led the Orange in rushing touchdowns in all four of his seasons ... Finished his time at Syracuse 23rd on the program's career rushing list and was one of three active 1,000-yard rushers for the Orange in 2018 ... Received ACC Player of the Week honors a school-record eight times ... Two-year captain ... Two-time CoSIDA Academic All-District selection ... Named to the 2016 All-ACC Academic Football Team … Past member of the Syracuse Student-Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC) ... Four-time SU Athletic Director’s Honor Roll selection ... Three-time member of the ACC Honor Roll ... Represented the Orange twice at ACC Football Kickoff, the league's annual preseason media event ... Four letters.

Fantastic post. He was truly a generational student athlete.

 

[upperdeck]

scramble all he wants but if WRS dont get open he is just going to throw it away or get hit. I do wonder about that hitch though when he is out of the pocket. We need to do a better job of getting into down and distances that allow him to be dictating the plays and not chasing 3rd and long. every time we have a good run and get a aggressive it fails and then 3rd and 2-5 we have no answer since we cant really run yet.

Hopefully its more about oline making mistakes and less about just not being good or strong enough to block well. Clemson is going to come after us so the Skill guys have to make plays since i dont expect a ton of time to throw.

 

[Ozcuse]

i don't know why in the hell everyone was so excited about hiring babers if they wanted qbs to run around.

Maybe it’s just me but we were all under the assumption we would be getting a serviceable OL as part of the throw it all over the field package. Minus that, having a mobile qb that can neutralize a bad OL and keep droves going is kinda nice.

 

[TheCusian]

I love your enthusiasm.

But we got mauled on both sides of the ball.

The QB rating data is pretty meaningless.

We got mauled but TD had what would ED’s 7th best game passing.

Meaningless? Lol.

His stats pre 28-7 were not good. His stats pre 42-13 were acceptable. His stats after 49-13 were good. The stats are what they are.

Indeed. If only we had other game tape showing him in a close game, passing his way to a victory

 

[TheCusian]

Maybe it’s just me but we were all under the assumption we would be getting a serviceable OL as part of the throw it all over the field package. Minus that, having a mobile qb that can neutralize a bad OL and keep droves going is kinda nice.

A good quick passing game can neutralize a bad OL too. Babers has shown he can scheme around OL trouble.

I think they’ll get better too.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Really?

One position is more difficult to fill than five?

That’s a tough argument

The NFL suggests one position is absolutely more difficult to fill than five.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It is early in the season and in his career. So it is difficult to determine how much of his production was overall improvement vs the game being out of hand. We won’t really know until the WMU. Glass half full people aren’t worried. Glass half empty have concerns.

cfbstats.com - Tommy DeVito 2019 Player Statistics - Syracuse Orange

Re: did he improve or was the game out of hand and that's why he played better...

I kinda don't care. Either way we want to see him play better. He did.

It's a step.

 

[Millhouse]

A good quick passing game can neutralize a bad OL too. Babers has shown he can scheme around OL trouble.

I think they’ll get better too.

everyone's making it out like it was some sort of disastrous offensive performance and pining for the glory days of dungey masking warts and averaging fewer yards per play

geez louise, we had a tough time on 4th down trying to actually win when they could've kicked and lost by less

if you kick those 2 fgs, it's 26 points and 400 yards oh no heavens to betsy, where is cecil howard? gimme a break

 

[rrlbees]

Re: did he improve or was the game out of hand and that's why he played better...

I kinda don't care. Either way we want to see him play better. He did.

It's a step.

His first half stats were better than the second half. And regardless of score, no defense eases off in the first half.

 

[OrangePA]

Really good NFL teams build from the OL.
The QB position is crucial but without a great OL, teams simply do not win.

Give me a great OL and a decent NFL QB and I will win games.
Dungey was a great college QB who was never going to play the position in the NFL.

And there are many who fit into Eric's category - Tim Tebow for one.

Syracuse University has never - never - had a consistently dominant OL - even when we were going to the Fiesta and Orange Bowls.

 

[OrangePA]

everyone's making it out like it was some sort of disastrous offensive performance and pining for the glory days of dungey masking warts and averaging fewer yards per play

geez louise, we had a tough time on 4th down trying to actually win when they could've kicked and lost by less

if you kick those 2 fgs, it's 26 points and 400 yards oh no heavens to betsy, where is cecil howard? gimme a break

Hey, I hope you're right.

I hope we learned something on Saturday, I hope that our offense and defense will both develop over the next few weeks.

But, didn't find myself feeling anything positive about the offense as I made my way out of Maryland Stadium on Saturday afternoon.
I felt really beaten up.
Hopefully, things will be different this weekend.

 

[Millhouse]

The position in the NFL is quite different than the position in college football.

Dungey was a great college QB who was never going to play the position in the NFL.

And there are many who fit into Eric's category - Tim Tebow for one.

Syracuse University has never - never - had a consistently dominant OL - even when we were going to the Fiesta and Orange Bowls.

guys like Tebow go to florida

those days are done, other schools aren't as racist as they used to be.

 

[OrangePA]

A good quick passing game can neutralize a bad OL too. Babers has shown he can scheme around OL trouble.

I think they’ll get better too.

I'm all for that.

And, I'm all for tempo - something we did not see on Saturday.

 

[OrangePA]

guys like Tebow go to florida

those days are done, other schools aren't as racist as they used to be.

You lost me.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

 

[qdawgg]

everyone's making it out like it was some sort of disastrous offensive performance and pining for the glory days of dungey masking warts and averaging fewer yards per play

geez louise, we had a tough time on 4th down trying to actually win when they could've kicked and lost by less

if you kick those 2 fgs, it's 26 points and 400 yards oh no heavens to betsy, where is cecil howard? gimme a break

Yeah, I've read a lot the last couple of days and I feel like you've kind of gone Trump here and invented a picture that isn't accurate. Are there some people who are saying dumb things about TD in posts, sure. Are there some more people wondering whether he really can get it done, sure. Are there some people wondering if ED or a dual threat QB would have been better with the way the OL played, sure. But you've invented the idea that everyone thinks this was a disastrous offensive performance and run with it. Nobody thinks the offensive numbers aren't good. Pretty much everyone agrees the defense was terrible. But it's a loss. So boo hoo that people are analyzing the game and asking questions. Jay Cutler had pretty cool stats in college too.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

His first half stats were better than the second half. And regardless of score, no defense eases off in the first half.

They were? Seem pretty even. Depending on the rating metric used the 2nd half was better.

16-21 76% 163 yards 1 TD 0 INT
12-18 66% 167 yards 2 TD 1 INT

 

[upperdeck]

he could have played the best qb of any qb is SU history and we still lose.

 

[Millhouse]

You lost me.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

tebow was a supernatural recruit. we're not getting him

we used to get good dual threat qbs because other school's fat stupid hillbillies in charge didn't think black guys were smart enough to play QB

it took about a hundred years too long for the hillbillies to figure it out but they did so now it's harder for SU to find dual threat QBs

dungey wasn't a big recruit and as good as he was , he was inefficient

all the years that we bemoaned the loss of vick, leach just plugged and played a zillion different ho hum qbs who could throw a little and knew where to go with the ball

That is where we're headed. The line needs to get better but it doesn't need to get incredible like the kind of dual threat QB we'd need to mask bad line play

 

[rrlbees]

They were? Seem pretty even. Depending on the rating metric used the 2nd half was better.

16-21 76% 163 yards 1 TD 0 INT
12-18 66% 167 yards 2 TD 1 INT

Ncaa QBR 170 1st half 157 2nd half