Smu got hosed

[STEVEHOLT]

Steve are you serious. Watch the vine above and tell me that the ball was in the cylinder or about to hit the rim.

You are telling me to watch a vine when i was watching and rewatching on a 70 inch 4k TV and had more angles. dont misunderstand me...the ball was in ALL likelihood NOT GOING TO GO IN...but it was about to hit the rim.

 

[upperdeck]

the ball had zero chance to go in.. by the letter of the rule its a goaltend. by the spirit of the rule no. in real time i dont think you could call it since every angle shows it had no chance to go in and its questionable even at slow speed that it hits the rim..

goal tends need to be obvious to get called and we have seen that all year.

 

[bpo57]

It is a reversible call.


Section 12. Correctable Errors


Art. 1. The correctable errors are as follows:

a. Failing to award a merited free throw.

b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.

c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.

d. Permitting a player to attempt a free throw at the wrong basket.

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Note: In order for this to be a correctable error, the official must have

erred in counting or canceling a successful try for goal according to a

rule (i.e., after basket interference or goaltending, incorrectly counting or

Rule 2 / Officials and Their Duties 39

failing to cancel a score or counting a three-point goal instead of a twopoint

goal). A correctable error does not involve an error in judgment.

Great. So they messed up twice.

You are telling me to watch a vine when i was watching and rewatching on a 70 inch 4k TV and had more angles. dont misunderstand me...the ball was in ALL likelihood NOT GOING TO GO IN...but it was about to hit the rim.

Very ironic that the team that passed the eye test gets the benefit of a horrible call from a ref that can't pass an eye test. They had the head of officials on in the studio. For all the world you could see it pained him to have to criticize the call. hey refs are human. it happens. but how do you decide a game with that horrible call?

 

[SUMBA]

Section 34. Goaltending

Art. 1. Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:

a. The ball is on its downward flight; and

b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder.

Tough call but it appears that condition b was not met.

 

[Orangeman]

There is no possible way, unless you are manute bol, to simultaneously box out properly and get a goal tend. He screwed up.

He committed a legal play and some official made a bad call

How did he screw up exactly?

That ball wasn't close to being a goaltend...maybe 5 inches, which in this case is a mile

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Great. So they messed up twice.


Very ironic that the team that passed the eye test gets the benefit of a horrible call from a ref that can't pass an eye test. They had the head of officials on in the studio. For all the world you could see it pained him to have to criticize the call. hey refs are human. it happens. but how do you decide a game with that horrible call?

The guy who made the horrible call was 2 on SMU who for reasons that are not clear to those with forebrains gave the refs a chance to make a call.

 

[ar inj]

Not goaltending and the wrong ref made the call. The ref with the best angle let it go. Did not see it live, but UCLA should do the right thing and go home.

 

[Toga]

Section 34. Goaltending

Art. 1. Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:

a. The ball is on its downward flight; and

b. The entire ball is above the level of the ring and has the possibility, while in flight, of entering the basket and is not touching the cylinder.

Tough call but it appears that condition b was not met.

Correctamundo

 

[CuseFaninVT]

doesn't meet any of those conditions.

I think you are correct. But looking again at the rule book, I think it was basket interference.


Art. 2. Basket interference

a. Basket interference occurs when a player:

1. Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within

the basket;

Rule 9 / Violations and Penalties 85

2. Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has the


ring as its lower base;


From the vine I posted, it certainly looked to be in the cylinder. It was going to hit the rim and bounce off, so it was in the cylinder.

 

[Orangeman]

condition two is met. the ball had a possibility, not a probability, but a possibility of going in. You cant for 100 percent know that it doesn't take some crazy bounce of the rim and bounce in. you can say you are 99 percent sure..but the key word here is POSSIBLE...

No, the ball was off to the side, no chance

Just a bad call
This will be added to reviewable plays

 

[orange79]

It is a reversible call.


Section 12. Correctable Errors


Art. 1. The correctable errors are as follows:

a. Failing to award a merited free throw.

b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.

c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.

d. Permitting a player to attempt a free throw at the wrong basket.

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Note: In order for this to be a correctable error, the official must have

erred in counting or canceling a successful try for goal according to a

rule (i.e., after basket interference or goaltending, incorrectly counting or

Rule 2 / Officials and Their Duties 39

failing to cancel a score or counting a three-point goal instead of a twopoint

goal). A correctable error does not involve an error in judgment.

Right, you can reverse it. But you can't go to the monitor to review it. That was my only point.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Right, you can reverse it. But you can't go to the monitor to review it. That was my only point.

Gotcha.

 

[SoBeCuse]

If it's wide right (true) then it doesn't matter where the guy is standing. I just don't see a goaltend.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Right, you can reverse it. But you can't go to the monitor to review it. That was my only point.

Again, you are correct sir.



Art. 3. The officials shall not use such available equipment for judgment calls such

as:

a. Determine whether a foul occurred. (Exceptions: A flagrant 2 foul.)

b. Determine whether basket interference or goaltending occurred.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If it's wide right (true) then it doesn't matter where the guy is standing. I just don't see a goaltend.

That was definitely going to hit the rim.

 

[orange79]

If it's wide right (true) then it doesn't matter where the guy is standing. I just don't see a goaltend.

Agreed, especially when you watch that vine posted above. It was off-line.

 

[bpo57]

The guy who made the horrible call was 2 on SMU who for reasons that are not clear to those with forebrains gave the refs a chance to make a call.

OK now we're defending the bad call by blaming the player who took action that provoked that bad call.

 

[orange79]

Again, you are correct sir.



Art. 3. The officials shall not use such available equipment for judgment calls such

as:

a. Determine whether a foul occurred. (Exceptions: A flagrant 2 foul.)

b. Determine whether basket interference or goaltending occurred.

Look at you - Son of Internet Sleuth!

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Look at you - Son of Internet Sleuth!

Sadly enough, I have the rules on my computer.

 

[orange79]

Sadly enough, I have the rules on my computer.

lol

 

[SoBeCuse]

That was definitely going to hit the rim.

I may need to visit Lens Crafters then. Just not seeing that.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Agreed, especially when you watch that vine posted above. It was off-line.

This vine shows it in the cylinder when touched.

https://vine.co/v/OYz6zd0nWUA

 

[Madbiker]

just an awful call that gives the game to UCLA. This why EVERY call in the last 2 minutes must be reviewable. Most refs doing college games stink. Feel bad for SMU. That play isn't close to being a goal tend. Absurd.

 

[bpo57]

This vine shows it in the cylinder when touched.

https://vine.co/v/OYz6zd0nWUA

You are seeing things.

 

[orange79]

This vine shows it in the cylinder when touched.

https://vine.co/v/OYz6zd0nWUA

I meant this one that scottynguyen posted - https://vine.co/v/OYz6dHpZDV0