So UF will be in the market

[NKR1978]

Easy.

Money.

High profile job.

Great recruiting state.

Coaches know the day they are hired they are a day closer to getting fired. It literally is the business and can happen in most places. We've had four coaches in less than ten years And three ADs in three years. And a program that has not been in the Top 25 since 2004.

We have to stop looking at everything through Orange-color glasses when looking at the overall landscape.

I get the money and high profile thing. You go 10-4 and 9-4 and that isn't good enough.

There's no good will at these SEC schools. To get away from my Orange colored glasses, lets look at Gary Patterson, their first two years in the Big 12 they went 6-7 and 4-8. Then followed that up with 12-1 and 11-2 and 7-6. If he were at Florida he likely would have been fired after the 6-7 year and definitely after 4-8. There's only one conference where you almost universally get no leash. I don't think there's any school in the ACC or Pac 12 that would fire Butch Jones or McElwain after the years they're having. It just doesn't seem worth it.

 

[JoeSU]

next year Dino could realistically win the division and I'll bet he knows it.

This is my thinking as well. Right now his Syracuse resume isn't going to be that impressive to an outsider (taking a bad football team and making them respectable). IF he is looking to leave for a better paycheck, Babers' stock should be much higher at the end of next season.

 

[Newhouser]

Florida fan I talked with thinks the Gators will end up with Charlie Strong.

As any top tier candidates will stay away after this weak sauce dismissal of McElwain.

Florida fans act like their history is Alabama-esque. Their dominant history covers the Spurrier and Meyer years. Fan base is delusional thinking they will win 90% of their games.

 

[OrangePA]

In this instance it is not. He was essentially on the hot seat entering the season, fresh off two straight SEC East titles. He also entered October 16-3 in SEC play. He's beaten everyone except Bama.

But the wins were aesthetically grotesque. Then this month has been brutal, and he's out. The death threat thing is a canard. I mean, since when is morals a focus for the Florida Gators football program?

He didn't win the SEC.

He didn't go to the play-offs.

He didn't win the NC.

That's why he was fired.

The expectations at Florida and Tennessee and other similar schools are ridiculous and ultimately not helpful to college football.

That's my opinion.

 

[DeGrozz]

Re: Gruden

He might be looking for a gig to take him into retirement, because the NFL at ESPN may not be long lived:

James Andrew Miller: Why ESPN Could Abandon NFL Football (Guest Column)

(Granted it's primarily an opinion piece, but it seems to make reasonable points)

 

[djorange1989]

Re: Gruden

He might be looking for a retirement gig, because the NFL at ESPN may not be long lived:

James Andrew Miller: Why ESPN Could Abandon NFL Football (Guest Column)

(Granted it's primarily an opinion piece, but it seems to make reasonable points)

He can still get another announcing gig. Not for the cash ESPN is paying him, but I bet CBS or FOX would cough up some big money for the guy.

 

[TheCusian]

Easy.

Money.

High profile job.

Great recruiting state.

Coaches know the day they are hired they are a day closer to getting fired. It literally is the business and can happen in most places. We've had four coaches in less than ten years And three ADs in three years. And a program that has not been in the Top 25 since 2004.

We have to stop looking at everything through Orange-color glasses when looking at the overall landscape.

BS. People have been pretty level-headed about this.

Money is money. High profile jobs just mean you have less cushion/time to get the job done.

The recruiting is the killer thing, obviously we can’t compete with the location.

That last bit is confusing logic. I’d just say - we have a new AD that hasn’t hired a FB coach and a coach who loves his boss. Is it enough? I have no idea. But orange glasses or not - there is not enough info to read any of this definitively (unless you wait tables where Dino and Wildhack have their weekly lunches).

 

[TheCusian]

He didn't win the SEC.

He didn't go to the play-offs.

He didn't win the NC.

That's why he was fired.

The expectations at Florida and Tennessee and other similar schools are ridiculous and ultimately not helpful to college football.

That's my opinion.

That mindset is very helpful to the ACC, IMO.

 

[TheCusian]

Re: Gruden

He might be looking for a retirement gig, because the NFL at ESPN may not be long lived:

James Andrew Miller: Why ESPN Could Abandon NFL Football (Guest Column)

(Granted it's primarily an opinion piece, but it seems to make reasonable points)

Tampa Bay wants Gruden back too

 

[OrangePA]

That mindset is very helpful to the ACC, IMO.

Organizational stability in my opinion is a very important yet oftentimes ignored characteristic in successful sports organizations.

So, yes, I agree with you that the ACC has greater stability on a school by school basis and that's a positive.

 

[SU94]

He didn't win the SEC.

He didn't go to the play-offs.

He didn't win the NC.

That's why he was fired.

The expectations at Florida and Tennessee and other similar schools are ridiculous and ultimately not helpful to college football.

That's my opinion.

It's all cool OrangePA. You certainly can have your opinion. Please do. But I'd tell you that McElwaine did not have a playoff or National title entering October 2017 either. And he still had his job at that point. Correct?

You're closer to the truth when you mention the expectations that come with the Florida job. Those fans expect a program of that stature, in that talent-rich state, to score points, and UF has had real issues with that during his tenure. He coached largely winning football, but it was ugly football and that did not afford him the leeway/time he needed to get over the hump.

 

[OrangePA]

It's all cool OrangePA. You certainly can have your opinion. Please do. But I'd tell you that McElwaine did not have a playoff or National title entering October 2017 either. And he still had his job at that point. Correct?

You're closer to the truth when you mention the expectations that come with the Florida job. Those fans expect a program of that stature, in that talent-rich state, to score points, and UF has had real issues with that during his tenure. He coached largely winning football, but it was ugly football and that did not afford him the leeway/time he needed to get over the hump.

I guess the question you're asking is why didn't U of fire McElwaine after the 2015 or 2016 seasons?

In a way, I'm asking the same question since the school obviously believes that it should be in the NC hunt every year.

I don't have the definitive answer to your question.

I can say this.

Even before the 2017 season began is quite clear that some of the decision makers were contemplating the end of Coach McElwaine's time in Gainesville.

You don't fire a guy seven games into a season - in a vacuum. And you don't fire a guy because he complained about a supposed death threat.

Somebody wanted him gone before October, 2017 - because he was not winning enough games - by the U of standard of winning games.

 

[Moontan]

It's all cool OrangePA. You certainly can have your opinion. Please do. But I'd tell you that McElwaine did not have a playoff or National title entering October 2017 either. And he still had his job at that point. Correct?

You're closer to the truth when you mention the expectations that come with the Florida job. Those fans expect a program of that stature, in that talent-rich state, to score points, and UF has had real issues with that during his tenure. He coached largely winning football, but it was ugly football and that did not afford him the leeway/time he needed to get over the hump.

I watch a few Gator games each year with some of their upper kernel of boosters. I also endured the offense-less opener against Michigan with them at Jerry World.

I was with them during their off week, last week, as we watched the Orangemen take on Miami. They did not believe that he would get the axe this year. The suspension of 9 players due to felony related activities coupled with a QB injury made this season nearly impossible to match expectations. The non-football issues coupled with the UGA embarrassment must’ve done him in.

I wonder if Spurrier would pull a Snyder and return to the sidelines...

 

[TheCusian]

Organizational stability in my opinion is a very important yet oftentimes ignored characteristic in successful sports organizations.

So, yes, I agree with you that the ACC has greater stability on a school by school basis and that's a positive.

For sure. Reasonable expectations, a fair time to develop a roster, etc. is something the ACC can offer that the SEC has shown unable to achieve. Their quest to beat Saban has started to unravel their prestige jobs a bit.

Plus the playoff committee has shown that they are different than the BCS committee, in that they are less swayed by the conference affiliation - so the SEC isn't a straight up advantage in perception. You can coach at Washington and achieve all of your goals without the meat grinder of the SEC, why go there?

 

[Oakland]

Florida players actually getting disciplined for getting in trouble - shocking. They should have gone to Florida State.

Florida players getting in trouble is a new thing ? Who knew

 

[MSOrange]

Why Jim McElwain's Florida tenure ended this quickly

 

[Ish88888]

He didn't win the SEC.

He didn't go to the play-offs.

He didn't win the NC.

That's why he was fired.

The expectations at Florida and Tennessee and other similar schools are ridiculous and ultimately not helpful to college football.

That's my opinion.

As hot as he was 3 years ago, it all did a 180 very quickly , especially with the AD and other administration. Very active on Twitter, the shark pic which some still feel is real and now lying about death threats a few weeks ago. Fabricated. Add in coaching and recruiting in a talent hotbed and not being able to formulate an offense the last 2 years. First 3 quarters vs UGA on Sat, longest pass completion was 8 yards with the "starter ". Reminds me of the Bruce Pearl of College fb coaches.

 

[Ish88888]

And btw, maddog Russo had Danielson on today and Gary D believes that the Mullet at OSU is a prime candidate.

 

[jgeorge322]

I think were all in denial that dino isnt a hot commodity right now and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Its somewhat disturbing he hasnt been anywhere longer than two years. We need two things:

1. Him to really love CNY and want to make a program his ala JB
2. To pay him close to what another big name school would

Besides that, we need to hope for a huge buyout.

 

[sufandu]

Why Jim McElwain's Florida tenure ended this quickly

Interesting comments about their facilities in that article too.

 

[texascpa]

Why Jim McElwain's Florida tenure ended this quickly

This is why McElwain was ousted:

“We’ve got a lot of really good recruits that are excited to be Gators, and that’s a good thing,” McElwain said. “We had a heck of a year. Two straight SEC East championships, new facilities.”

Then came the statement that, had it been uttered on a sitcom in the ’80s, would have been followed by a record scratch…

“We’ll look for the commitment that we get from the administration moving forward, see where that’s at,” McElwain said.

When McElwain said this, Florida athletic director Scott Stricklin—who had been on the job about two months at the time—was already working on a contract extension for the coach that would be announced a few months later. This is how some people high in the Florida athletic department viewed McElwain’s sentiment. Here’s a guy who has heard the word “Yes” more than Steve Spurrier, Ron Zook, Urban Meyer and Will Muschamp combined, who is about to get more money despite a second year with an offense ranked in the 100s, and he’s questioning the administration’s commitment?

 

[jgeorge322]

This is why McElwain was ousted:

Seems rather innocuous to me. I love how that one quote is blown out of proportion. How sensitive is the admin?

 

[Finwad32]

Literally nothing to that other than football. Because of a vague statement in a press conference? Please.

This is about more than wins and losses? Okay, so an offense not yet taking hold? That's about it.

 

[orangepassion]

This is why McElwain was ousted:

So why not fire him then?

 

[PhatOrange]

ESPNU radio was saying all morning that Florida should do everything they can to go get Fuentes out of VT. IMO Fuentes is in the same boat here as Babers and Campbell, in that he'd be crazy to leave VT for Florida. They love him at VT and there's way less pressure and a better chance to get into the playoff at VT over Florida.

If you're just after a pay day fine, but if you really want to get to the playoff and ultimately the Champ game, you should stay right where you are in the ACC , Big12 , Pac12 or Big10 West.