So who starts next game- Hunt or Allen?...

[OburgOrange]

Allen can throw the ball.

He stares down his receiver. Easy picks

 

[cuseincincy]

Broyld.

#weareallwitnesses

Why not? We just got rolled by a team that went 3-5 passing. We have RB's and our line may be decent? I don't really care to see either Hunt or Allen again. Sellout to the run, Broyld should be able to do that. Or, play the freshman, both of them or whichever is most ready. I'm sick of hearing about burning redshirts. Who gives a flying about redshirts? Hope AJ Long is ready next year, if not, maybe Kimble or Wilson can do something that doesn't embarrass the team. What I don't want is to watch a 5th year senior stink or a RS soph that cant throw get game experience that gives him an advantage he doesn't deserve over possibly more talented players. We're 1-4 against real teams this year. The staff has 2 weeks to get creative. Bottom line though, whoever plays QB for SU I will cheer for and hope they are successful. The more I think about it with these WR's and RB's Broyld makes some sense, hope the coaches show some nads. Sorry for the rant!

 

[SU2NASA]

He stares down his receiver. Easy picks

Either by the guy guarding the receiver, or the safety 10 yards behind him.

 

[kcsu]

broyld cant play QB like Estine cant return kicks

 

[orangepassion]

i don't see the upside of playing Allen. He's a senior who couldn't produce against Wagner.

 

[martykobes]

As a football program we HAVE to start Hunt.

We need someone with game experience next year.

No way he starts next year A J Long is clearly salivating after watching yesterday

 

[BORZAK]

START HUNT, GET JUCO QB AS TOP RESERVE

 

[Chris02M]

i'd start hunt for the time being. We need to use the bye the find ways to get our wr's some separation though as very rarely do our wide outs win clean and clear

 

[Crusty]

Hunt. BTW the decision to start Allen is more understandable now. The staff saw Hunt's waeknesses better than the fans did. It must have been a close call.

 

[OttoForLife]

Not only would it undermine the coaches' decision making capabilities to the team, it would crush any chance of giving Hunt any shot of reaching his potential, whatever that may be.

I don't necessarily disagree that Allen couldn't do better, or at least equal, but no matter what, the answer isn't going to be a true freshman or RS frosh next year. Donovan McNabb isn't in our stable and the coaches, if they end up with 4 wins let's say, aren't going to go through another crap year breaking in someone new and basically writing their own obituaries.

Maybe they'll put in Allen, but they've handled this whole QB situation terribly this year.

With all that said, I really wish we could have seen Allen and/or Hunt with at least one above-average wide receiver (true WR).

Yup. And I'll add, sadly, that this season is yet another chapter in the incredible story of SU's inability to recruit at the QB position over the last 15 years. Mind boggling that as the game has become pass-happy, we've gotten one guy to work out since McNabb - across three (now four) coaching staffs.

 

[anomander]

Allen can throw the ball.

sure he can throw the ball, he has a rifle. he just doesn't know where it will land. 11-37.

if i was a stud HS qb and wanted to play early I would actually be calling Syracuse right now

 

[rrlbees]

sure he can throw the ball, he has a rifle. he just doesn't know where it will land. 11-37.

if i was a stud HS qb and wanted to play early I would actually be calling Syracuse right now

Did you watch yesterday's game? Do you think he knew where it was going?


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[anomander]

Did you watch yesterday's game? Do you think he knew where it was going?

No. One of his first few passes was high and intercepted. They both are bad passers, but the little advantage Allen may have through the air, Hunt gives you more on the ground. It's not like our offense pushes the ball down field. All we need is short passes so his arm is wasted as it is. It was garbage time and he couldn't score the entire 2nd half. At least we got past the 40 yard line once with Hunt

 

[CuseOnly]

Allen can throw the ball.

Yes he can...right to the other team or into defensive linemen's arms, or into the back or earhole to an offensive lineman.

Our receivers can't catch so what difference does it make?

 

[rrlbees]

No. One of his first few passes was high and intercepted. They both are bad passers, but the little advantage Allen may have through the air, Hunt gives you more on the ground. It's not like our offense pushes the ball down field. All we need is short passes so his arm is wasted as it is. It was garbage time and he couldn't score the entire 2nd half. At least we got past the 40 yard line once with Hunt

Getting past the 40 once makes one a better QB? Ok.

Allen is the better QB. Even the staff knows that. I'll say again, he had to be more precise as he through a a hot ball. He throws ropes. There were 4 incs yesterday that were catchable balls.


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[anomander]

Getting past the 40 once makes one a better QB? Ok.

Allen is the better QB. Even the staff knows that. I'll say again, he had to be more precise as he through a a hot ball. He throws ropes. There were 4 incs yesterday that were catchable balls.

If the staff knows it why is Hunt starting? We don't have wr's anyways I will take Hunt's legs over Allen's inaccurate ropes for now. Allen has no pocket awareness and really nothing other then being able to throw a hot mostly inaccurate ball

 

[rrlbees]

If the staff knows it why is Hunt starting? We don't have wr's anyways I will take Hunt's legs over Allen's inaccurate ropes for now. Allen has no pocket awareness and really nothing other then being able to throw a hot mostly inaccurate ball

They had to make the change. The offense wasn't producing. Sometimes you make change for changes sake. Again, he looked pretty accurate to me yesterday. Damn accurate but we dropped 4. Even the int is a catch if the WR turns around sooner. Timing was off due to the ball getting there so quickly.


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[Chip]

How come I'm the only 'play one of the true freshman' guy?

I actually think it would probably be a disaster. Then again, we're watching a disaster. One that's stuck in quicksand. If the reason for not playing one is "he'll throw a bunch of interceptions", I'd think yeah we don't want that, with a headache inducing eye roll.

I also don't think 2 QBs in the same class in sustainable. Rubber will hit the road at some point. Should separate the classes, may the best man not redshirt. Or the other way around if you're saving that guy.

I guess I don't care what we do, I just want to think we're building toward something. Allen never gave me that feel because he's been so bad and he's one and done. Hunt is regressing to the point of being afraid to throw the ball.

Maybe just play Loeb and pray that he's one of those play better when it's a real game types. That's how desperate the situation is right now.

 

[Trueblue25]

No way he starts next year A J Long is clearly salivating after watching yesterday

Hopefully AJ Long continues salivating when we sign Edouard.

We also still have Kimble and White.

 

[SUFan44]

They had to make the change. The offense wasn't producing. Sometimes you make change for changes sake. Again, he looked pretty accurate to me yesterday. Damn accurate but we dropped 4. Even the int is a catch if the WR turns around sooner. Timing was off due to the ball getting there so quickly.

Who's fault is the timing - the WR or the QB? Also, how many starters was GT playing against us in the 4th quarter? Were they the same players that Hunt was playing against in the first? You used the same reasoning for why Hunt was successful against NW in the 4th, I'm going to use it here.

At the end of the day, they are both not very good right now. Who cares who is better?

 

[orangepassion]

Maybe I need to watch the game again, but I don't think Hunt was as bad this game as the perception. He was getting little time to throw the ball every pass play and the running game wasn't as strong as usual. Empty backfield=disaster unless you plan on running the QB b/c everyone and their bubby knows you're throwing, so you just line up an extra guy who can't be blocked.

 

[anomander]

Maybe I need to watch the game again, but I don't think Hunt was as bad this game as the perception. He was getting little time to throw the ball every pass play and the running game wasn't as strong as usual. Empty backfield=disaster unless you plan on running the QB b/c everyone and their bubby knows you're throwing, so you just line up an extra guy who can't be blocked.

your right. the first 3 drives we were moving, but OL penalities killed us. By then our defense didn't hold once and we were down 21 and were forced to abandon the run, and that certainly isn't Hunts game

 

[rrlbees]

Who's fault is the timing - the WR or the QB? Also, how many starters was GT playing against us in the 4th quarter? Were they the same players that Hunt was playing against in the first? You used the same reasoning for why Hunt was successful against NW in the 4th, I'm going to use it here.

At the end of the day, they are both not very good right now. Who cares who is better?

You don't even know what I said. Timing is usually both. Allen throws the ball on a line and comes our quickly.,WR's have to adjust quicker., and since aim not talking about stats, it doesn't matter who was in for GT. I'm talking about how he throws he ball. And for the most part he threw it very well yesterday. 4 were drops.


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[SUFan44]

You don't even know what I said. Timing is usually both. Allen throws the ball on a line and comes our quickly.,WR's have to adjust quicker., and since aim not talking about stats, it doesn't matter who was in for GT. I'm talking about how he throws he ball. And for the most part he threw it very well yesterday. 4 were drops.

I know exactly what you said. You said Drew Allen should start because he's a better QB. But I disagree.

With the personnel we have, Hunt is the better option as the starting QB due to his feet. He's not a great option - he's not even an average option at this point. But he's the better option. We are never going to win with the weapons we have on the outside if Allen is the starting QB. That's just not going to happen.

For this team, I don't think Allen is a very good QB at all. No matter how well he throws the ball. The WRs are no good (as evidenced by your counting 4 drops), he does not have a great feel in the pocket and adds little in the running game.

 

[phil77]

Edouard